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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Yes, but so what? 


On Aug 19, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 09:00 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
"Subscription" would be better understood if it were (and really is) "Your Settings"
I absolutely agree with this one. 
But, isn't Subscription, in this case, your  unique settings for(only) this group?
 
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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Bob Bellizzi
 

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 09:00 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
"Subscription" would be better understood if it were (and really is) "Your Settings"
I absolutely agree with this one. 
But, isn't Subscription, in this case, your  unique settings for(only) this group?
 
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moderated Enhance Readability of Next Indicator #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

When reading through messages via browser on either a PC or a tablet, I have an issue determining when I have arrived at the last (latest) message.

I would like something more proactive than changing the ">" symbol to a slightly different color. When I am reading through messages, the symbol is usually at the top right corner of the display which is the most off axis part of the display and has very poor color discrimination.

Admittedly, after I have clicked on it a couple times and nothing happens, a hovering red icon will show up after the fact. On the tablet, there is no red end of messages indicator at all, so I don't know if I missed the target, or the display is hung or that it is the last message until I more carefully look at the color of the icon. My suggestion is to change the ">" to a more contrasting color and perhaps make it bolder, or even better just show the red "end" indicator icon instead of a gray ">".

If there is an audible alert, that wouldn't help me, as I always have Windows sounds disabled.

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moderated Re: #featurerequest Drop Down Retains Choice #suggestion

 

Gleaning also from Ken K's post (or "message";) about terminology, there are three terms in use, sometimes interchangeably: message, post, and topic. I don't think a scattershot approach to fixing the terminology here and there is the best idea. I think someone needs to sit down, find all occurrences in the UI of all three terms, and figure out how to use them consistently. I think this would take less time than fixing one occurrence and having another inconsistency pop up elsewhere over and over again.
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moderated Re: #featurerequest Drop Down Retains Choice #suggestion

Sharon Villines
 

It appears that what you have to do is

1. select your choice from the dropdown menu and then
2. click messages in the left menu to set your choice.

Very circuitous since you selct "messages" on the left if even if you choose "topics" in the drop down menu. Not very intuitive. "Messages" is being used both as a category name for all messages however they are viewed and as a distinct way of viewing one part of that category. A word needs to mean only one thing within a context.

Also not intuitive to have a different landing page from the home page.

Sharon


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

ro-esp
 

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 04:52 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:

Maybe we can call "Chats" also "Discussions"?
I'm not sure what "chats" are, but I definitely oppose calling messages "discussions" the way some of groups.io's big competitors do.

Messages that don't get answers are not *discussions*


groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 07:52 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
We have - 
"Messages", but "Posts by members"
As in "all posts by this member". Good catch, I agree.

New Topic" and "Edit Topic", but we add a new (and edit an old) "Subject"
In this case I disagree. You can't add a new subject (as far as I can tell), and when you edit a "subject," you are really editing the subject line of the topic.

Maybe we can call "Chats" also "Discussions"?
I don't see why you'd want to do that. I thought you wanted consistency? Why not keep it consistent and always call them chats?

"Subscription" would be better understood if it were (and really is) "Your Settings"
I absolutely agree with this one. 
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locked suggestion - Consistency (ies)

KWKloeber
 

A few little pet peeves:

We have - 
"Messages", but "Posts by members"
and
"New Topic" and "Edit Topic", but we add a new (and edit an old) "Subject"  (typically better known as a "thread")
So
Maybe we can call "Chats" also "Discussions"?
Suggest more consistency so it's more friendly to the "old dog" members who are not very savvy.

Also, suggest that "Subscription" would be better understood if it were (and really is) "Your Settings"

Thx


moderated Re: #featurerequest Drop Down Retains Choice #suggestion

 

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 05:28 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
should not be remotely expected of naive users, let alone the likes of us.
That came out backwards. :)
 
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moderated Re: #featurerequest Drop Down Retains Choice #suggestion

 

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 05:24 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
the Your Groups page, which is hard coded to the /topics view. I've learned to avoid that page
Right and IMHO learning to avoid various views or pages should not be necessary, and should not be remotely expected of naive users, let alone the likes of us. So people go on and on accepting being taken to "Topics" and having through to "Messages," ad infinitum, when it would seem to be so simple to implement what Sharon suggests: a preferred view for each account. 
 
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moderated Re: #featurerequest Drop Down Retains Choice #suggestion

 

Sharon,

Perhaps if the program can't set a preferred view for each user, ...
Duane got it almost right.

It does remember the most recent view for each user. Sort of*.

The fly in the ointment is the Your Groups page, which is hard coded to the /topics view. I've learned to avoid that page.

The Your Groups drop-list and the Messages link in the left column conform to your most recent view selection. Except for Polls view, that doesn't get remembered.

Shal
*Technical detail: Mark cheated. Instead of actually storing the user's selection in a cookie or something, he's re-written the page elements that link to messages/topics to conform to the current selection. Which is why the the Your Groups page doesn't change: it isn't part of the current page when you select a view and can't be rewritten on the fly.


moderated Re: #featurerequest Drop Down Retains Choice #suggestion

 

I've been requesting this for a long time as well. I have just gotten used to putting up with it. I've read Duane's solution (here and before, when I've brought this up) but I don't think it should be necessary to do that.
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moderated Re: #featurerequest Drop Down Retains Choice #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 06:11 PM, Sharon Villines wrote:
I have to choose messages everytime I look at one of the groups.io websites.
Only if you get to your messages page via the Your Groups drop down or the overview page because those are hard coded to go to Topics.  If you're in your group and use the Messages on the left, it will be the same way it was the last time you were there.

Duane


moderated #featurerequest Drop Down Retains Choice #suggestion

Sharon Villines
 

I the archives the default view is "topics". I never look at messages by topic and have been missing messages because only the first message is shown in this view. I just didn't notice what was happening because I don't belong to a list that emphasizes subjects.

But I have to choose messages everytime I look at one of the groups.io websites.

Perhaps if the program can't set a preferred view for each user, it could be an option for to set for each list.

Sharon


moderated Log chat events

 

I can't find any logging for chat events. Including log entries for them would be helpful.
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moderated Re: Feature Request---Group Buys

Dale Hardin
 

The database would work fine, but for the privacy issue.  If the database were enhanced to allow only the moderator, table creator, and row owner to be able to see a particular column, say an address column, then the database would work perfectly.  Dale

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:22 AM Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 01:56 AM, Dale Hardin wrote:
Many of the amateur radio groups I belong too have someone offer to run a group buy or purchase parts for distribution to group members.  As a result, there are a lot of "I want one too"  and "put me on the list" messages.  It would be nice to be able to manage group buys with group members placing their name, and mail/contact info on a list maintained by a feature of group.io.  Regards, Dale

 Dale,

The Database feature can accommodate that type of list. The Groups.io Database is limited in functionality, so I would not consider it secure for large financial transactions. But for a friendly group of hams, it probably will suffice.

I hardly ever play with Databases, but it only took a few minutes to put together a sample "Group Buy" table. I included brief documentation in the description to give you an idea of how I did the set up. You can certainly add more columns for more information.


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moderated Re: the fix to including sigs in text went too far ?

 

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 01:36 PM, Jim Fisher wrote:
Not collapsing anything is leaving it to group admins to pressure their members
to trim messages properly.
Exactly right, which is why some decisions (in this case, Mark's decision to collapse the bottom, untrimmed posts) are better than others. It was a PITA before.
 
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moderated Re: the fix to including sigs in text went too far ?

 

On 17 Aug 2019 at 12:53, J_Catlady wrote:

The system has to do one thing or the other. It has to collapse top-posts, or
not. It has to collapse bottom posts, or not. If it does nothing, it's doing
something. The system can't be on the fence, make no decision, and "leave it to
group admins." One way or the other, someone is going to be unhappy.
Not collapsing anything is leaving it to group admins to pressure their members
to trim messages properly. Any form of collapsing is the system trying to
enforce some kind of discipline, which will suit some people but not others, as
the discussion here has already proved.

It should also be remembered that very occasionally a reply is not to the body
of the message but to the content of the sig, which is then properly quoted..

Jim

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moderated Re: Feature Request---Group Buys

Duane
 

On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:56 PM, Dale Hardin wrote:
It would be nice to be able to manage group buys with group members placing their name, and mail/contact info on a list
I'd like to see something like this as well.  I currently have people contact me via a private reply, but keeping the information straight can be difficult at times, especially when there's a large demand for something.  Maybe it could be included in the previously requested Classified Ad/Marketplace page?

A sudden thought.  If there were an option on a database to allow only the table owner and the row owner to see/edit a particular row, that might be an easier implementation.

Duane


moderated Re: Feature Request---Group Buys

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 01:56 AM, Dale Hardin wrote:
Many of the amateur radio groups I belong too have someone offer to run a group buy or purchase parts for distribution to group members.  As a result, there are a lot of "I want one too"  and "put me on the list" messages.  It would be nice to be able to manage group buys with group members placing their name, and mail/contact info on a list maintained by a feature of group.io.  Regards, Dale

 Dale,

The Database feature can accommodate that type of list. The Groups.io Database is limited in functionality, so I would not consider it secure for large financial transactions. But for a friendly group of hams, it probably will suffice.

I hardly ever play with Databases, but it only took a few minutes to put together a sample "Group Buy" table. I included brief documentation in the description to give you an idea of how I did the set up. You can certainly add more columns for more information.


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