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locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

Judy F.
 

Mark, wouldn’t this work better, if we waited until all of the entries are there and then choose, etc.?  . 

 

JudyF.

SW Florida - USA

 


I could use your help. Here's the contest:

http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-groups-io-468799/entries

I just submitted it, so there are only a few designs to review. But
over the next 4 days, a bunch should be submitted. Tell me in this
thread which ones you like or don't like. The designers can tweak the
designs as well, so suggestions for tweaks are appreciated as well.

I know creativity is subjective and everyone has different tastes. But
hopefully this will be fun.

Thanks,
Mark



 


locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

 

So far I like #10.

Trish

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
As part of applying to Facebook so that people can log in using their
Facebook credentials, Groups.io is required to submit a logo. But we
don't have a logo, you say. True! But not for long. I have just
created a design contest on 99designs for a Groups.io logo. Designers
read the creative brief, and submit logo ideas, from which I'll select
a winner.

I could use your help. Here's the contest:

http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-groups-io-468799/entries

I just submitted it, so there are only a few designs to review. But
over the next 4 days, a bunch should be submitted. Tell me in this
thread which ones you like or don't like. The designers can tweak the
designs as well, so suggestions for tweaks are appreciated as well.

I know creativity is subjective and everyone has different tastes. But
hopefully this will be fun.

Thanks,
Mark






locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

kr402
 

Looks good.

Thanks, Mark.






locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Thanks for all your comments. I've made changes based on Shal's suggestions:

If you register on the website with a password, social logins are
disabled by default.

If you register on the website using a social login, that social login
is enabled and all others are disabled by default.

If you register through email, a direct add, or an invite through
email (i.e. don't have a password set), you're in a special state,
where the first time you log into the website, your social login
permissions are set:
- If you login using a password (going through the password reset
system), social logins are defaulted disabled.
- If you use a social login to login, that service's social login is
enabled, all other social logins are disabled.

For everyone, in your profile, you can now toggle Facebook and Google
social logins on or off individually.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

kr402
 

like: #1 
simple, plain
yes agree it needs to be small enough for portable 
devices, but the small ones so far are too small.
you can not tell what the logo is for.






locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

Judy F.
 

Mark, my favorites are #8 and #9 by newbie or not. I would prefer seeing the fancy G in place of the G in Groups. The way it currently is makes me immediately think of gmail.

My second choice is #6 by arogavi . I like it because of the mail icons.

I don't like #5 and #3 by jumbo. #5 looks too small and the lettering is small. #3 is hard to read on the blue background

I like #2 and 1 by panwawer with #2 being my preference because of the shadow background. Of the two #2 would be the one I would chose

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 7:12 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Help me pick a logo! #logo

As part of applying to Facebook so that people can log in using their Facebook credentials, Groups.io is required to submit a logo. But we don't have a logo, you say. True! But not for long. I have just created a design contest on 99designs for a Groups.io logo. Designers read the creative brief, and submit logo ideas, from which I'll select a winner.

I could use your help. Here's the contest:

http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-groups-io-468799/entries

I just submitted it, so there are only a few designs to review. But over the next 4 days, a bunch should be submitted. Tell me in this thread which ones you like or don't like. The designers can tweak the designs as well, so suggestions for tweaks are appreciated as well.

I know creativity is subjective and everyone has different tastes. But hopefully this will be fun.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

Frances
 

Hi Mark,

I like #1 (the groups with the yellow io (bottom right)).
The top left #7 - with the G inside a double bubble is quite good too.

The conversation bubble is really old, I think. We used this at my public library more than 10 years ago. (#3 and 5).

You don’t want something that takes too much real estate when you use the icon in other ways (smartphone, for example). But it needs to be clear.

My two cents worth!

Frances

I could use your help. Here's the contest:

http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-groups-io-468799/entries

I just submitted it, so there are only a few designs to review. But
over the next 4 days, a bunch should be submitted. Tell me in this
thread which ones you like or don't like. The designers can tweak the
designs as well, so suggestions for tweaks are appreciated as well.


locked Help me pick a logo!

 

As part of applying to Facebook so that people can log in using their
Facebook credentials, Groups.io is required to submit a logo. But we
don't have a logo, you say. True! But not for long. I have just
created a design contest on 99designs for a Groups.io logo. Designers
read the creative brief, and submit logo ideas, from which I'll select
a winner.

I could use your help. Here's the contest:

http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-groups-io-468799/entries

I just submitted it, so there are only a few designs to review. But
over the next 4 days, a bunch should be submitted. Tell me in this
thread which ones you like or don't like. The designers can tweak the
designs as well, so suggestions for tweaks are appreciated as well.

I know creativity is subjective and everyone has different tastes. But
hopefully this will be fun.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

Cacky B
 

Perfect.
Cacky

On 3/11/2015 4:01 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Trish,

I said,
... I'm imagining social sign in will be more like choosing to click
on one the social buttons instead of filling in a password.
I should have looked before speaking, it is exactly like that.

Looking at the Groups.io sign-in page, at the top there are blanks to fill in your email address and password, and below that it says "Or You Can" followed by a button to sign in with Google. Presumably the Facebook button will return "soon", and perhaps others will be added later.

-- Shal


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locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

Cacky B
 

For me, the preference not to use a social media login has nothing to do with tech or savvy.  I have a great distrust of most social media providers and the cavalier manner in which they handle user information.  I have separate passwords for any number of sites.  No, I don't try to remember them, but have them saved in a manner that is easy for me to locate, but would not be very easy for anyone else to locate.  I strongly feel that if there is to be a check box for those who are happy to use social media entrees, that it should not be automatically checked as a default.
Cacky

Perhaps social login could be a choice/option the list owner can set up? That way tech-savvy groups could lean toward social media as their preference/default setting. If you're dealing with a group whose members are less interested in tech and/or despise social media, then you choose the standard IO login as the primary option for your group (with social being there as an option they can select if desired).






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locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

Frances
 

Hi

I had the same thing happen with one of my invitations to my group.
The invitation was still open but they had joined.
I just deleted the invitation since they were members.

Frances

On Mar 11 15, at 3:23 PM, Trish <pnrfan@...> wrote:

Also a couple said they did the steps to confirm and are already getting group emails, but in the invitation screen it still looks like they never accepted the invite. I think some of them may have gone to the group home page and joined manually as opposed to accepting the invite. Seems the invitation screen doesn't record that they became members via a different process.


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Trish,

I said,
... I'm imagining social sign in will be more like choosing to click
on one the social buttons instead of filling in a password.
I should have looked before speaking, it is exactly like that.

Looking at the Groups.io sign-in page, at the top there are blanks to fill in your email address and password, and below that it says "Or You Can" followed by a button to sign in with Google. Presumably the Facebook button will return "soon", and perhaps others will be added later.

-- Shal


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Trish,

Getting back to the social logins...allowing it by default, I took
that to mean that they would get that as the first option, with the
box already checked to make that their default.
Ack. English is such a flexible language...

No, what I was trying to say was that initially a new person would be allowed to choose whether to set up a Groups.io password or sign in socially. Not that the social would be the default choice. Probably none of the choices would be default - I'm imagining social sign in will be more like choosing to click on one the social buttons instead of filling in a password.

After they've signed in once, only the method they used that first time would be allowed - unless the member changes their preferences to allow other sign-in methods.

Perhaps social login could be a choice/option the list owner can set
up?
Remember that the users are signing in to Groups.io, and Groups.io would not know which group(s) the user might belong to until after the user signs in. So I don't think this would make any sense.

Even if the sign-in page were somehow connected with a specific group, I think this would be a bad idea. In any group, users come in all levels of understanding and outside interests; I don't think it is the group owner's place to impose a sign-in method, or even set a default for it.

-- Shal


locked Re: Editing To: Cc: in moderation queue

 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

And for some instances where someone sends a message from a DMARC
p=reject domain, we re-write the CC line as well.
What purpose would that serve? I assume that on the outbound side of Groups.io all of the content of the To: and CC: fields is effectively commentary that won't be acted on.
When we have to re-write the From line because of DMARC, and the
group's reply-to is set to reply to sender, we set the reply-to to be
the sender and we add a CC line for the group. So if someone wants to
do a reply-to-all, it'll capture the group's address.


Mark


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Yes, for me it was very easy, which is one of the reasons that I went with IO, but I have run into some SNAFU's with some of my members moving over from Yahoo or Wiggio (where they were for years). Mark was able to fix the one from last night, something to do with her email service sending the confirmation email to the wrong address. 

I've had a couple who when I sent the invitation, IO just shows that it failed. No idea why. Canceling/resending the invite gets the same result. Only two people so far, one of whom uses gmail. Plenty of other gmail users had no problems receiving invites. These two are still in limbo, unable to join.

Also a couple said they did the steps to confirm and are already getting group emails, but in the invitation screen it still looks like they never accepted the invite. I think some of them may have gone to the group home page and joined manually as opposed to accepting the invite. Seems the invitation screen doesn't record that they became members via a different process.

Some other people don't appear to be getting the invitations or they're possibly ignoring them or they're going to spam? Hard for me to tell for sure. They just keep saying I never saw an invitation.

Getting back to the social logins...allowing it by default, I took that to mean that they would get that as the first option, with the box already checked to make that their default. That right there would freak some of my members out. LOL I'm dealing with probably a 60/40 non-tech vs fairly tech-savvy membership.. For that 60% who are not techie, they really have NO desire to learn more than they have to. Just telling these people we were switching over to a new groups service was traumatic and/or annoying for some, so letting it go to a social media login by default would probably put them into confusion mode which is why I'd prefer that they have to check a box to choose social media login. If they don't, then it's the typical choose a password login by default. Oh how I wish they were all tech geeks or at least had an interest, but they're not.

Perhaps social login could be a choice/option the list owner can set up? That way tech-savvy groups could lean toward social media as their preference/default setting. If you're dealing with a group whose members are less interested in tech and/or despise social media, then you choose the standard IO login as the primary option for your group (with social being there as an option they can select if desired).

Trish

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Trish,

> I wouldn't want to force anyone to log in via a social networking
> login.

Of course not.

> I think that should be an option they have to select as opposed to
> defaulting to it.

We were discussing allowing it by default, not requiring it.

> I have someone who's been trying to join groups.io <http://groups.io>
> since last night who can't figure out the login/approval process.

I'm curious where they're hung up, if you know. Perhaps they're over-thinking it (expecting it to be as complex as Yahoo).

Unless something broke since the last time I tried it, signing up for Groups.io web access really is as simple as verifying an email address and setting a password. There is no unique ID to choose, nor an an email address to set up.

-- Shal






locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Trish,

I wouldn't want to force anyone to log in via a social networking
login.
Of course not.

I think that should be an option they have to select as opposed to
defaulting to it.
We were discussing allowing it by default, not requiring it.

I have someone who's been trying to join groups.io <http://groups.io>
since last night who can't figure out the login/approval process.
I'm curious where they're hung up, if you know. Perhaps they're over-thinking it (expecting it to be as complex as Yahoo).

Unless something broke since the last time I tried it, signing up for Groups.io web access really is as simple as verifying an email address and setting a password. There is no unique ID to choose, nor an an email address to set up.

-- Shal


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

Judy F.
 

I agree Dano.

Judy
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: D R Stinson [mailto:dano@mt.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:57 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

I had a thought (it happens occasionally). What about people who
register via email, using groupname+subscribe@groups.io? Should they
be defaulted to being able to log in via a social login? My gut says
yes. Thoughts?
I agree. I think it should be disabled by user only when he/she first
establishes a native password.
I just have an observation here. My concern is that this whole package is trying to be all things to all people and it might get too confusing on it's surface for some. I like the options and possibilities for individual users, but they should somewhere that savvy users would expect to go find them and basic users won't run into and be confused. We don't want to loose our less tech-savvy members because they think this system looks too complicated for them.
Dano


locked Re: Group Transfer

 

Hi Sener,

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Sener Yelkenci via GROUPS.IO
<seneryelkenci=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Could we transfer our groups also from other services then YahooGroups and
GoogleGroups to Groups.io . Like Groupspaces.com
Yes, if you have a member list in an easy to read text format, and can
show that you own the group, we'd be happy to help. You can contact me
off-list to get things going.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

Frances
 

Hi

I like Shal’s suggestion - 

Allow any service until the user either uses a social sign-in or establishes a password. Then enable only that service or none, respectively. In other words, any authenticated access locks your account down to just that form of authentication, but leaves you with the ability to enable other social logins if you desire.

I think that it is younger users who may choose to log in with Facebook or Google. And we don’t want to miss that demographic. 

Some like me (older!) who have both these logins (and use those services) don’t choose to use the same login for multiple platforms. 

If Shal’s suggestion or a variation of that happens, the home screen of Groups.io should say something that clearly says that you are choosing to create a Groups.io account with Facebook, etc. Sorry, not sure of best wording.

However, not just “sign in with”. As I mentioned, one user the other day who had a Groups.io account attempted to sign in with her Facebook account.

Just thinking though, if someone wishes to, they can put any other email address in their profile under email alias. 

Frances




locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

I wouldn't want to force anyone to log in via a social networking login. I think that should be an option they have to select as opposed to defaulting to it. 

I have someone who's been trying to join groups.io since last night who can't figure out the login/approval process. Add a Facebook login on top of that and she'd be even more lost.

On the flip side, tech-savvy people will quickly see an option to use a social login and select it if that's what they want. It'd be a no-brainer for people who use social media often.

Trish

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:57 AM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
> > I had a thought (it happens occasionally). What about people who
> > register via email, using groupname+subscribe@groups.io? Should they
> > be defaulted to being able to log in via a social login? My gut says
> > yes. Thoughts?
> I agree.  I think it should be disabled by user only when he/she first
> establishes a native password.

I just have an observation here. My concern is that this whole package is trying to be all things to all people and it might get too confusing on it's surface for some. I like the options and possibilities for individual users, but they should somewhere that savvy users would expect to go find them and basic users won't run into and be confused. We don't want to loose our less tech-savvy members because they think this system looks too complicated for them.
Dano