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moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

Jeremy H
 

I would not disagree at to the desirability of separate +Owner and +Admin addresses, for the different functions that they imply: but because we are where we are, with +Owner being used when +admin would be a more accurate title for the intended recipient; groups.io's use of moderator privilege when 'trusted user' is what they mean (see discussion on control of calendar on GMF!), both need to be managed as previously indicated.

Jeremy


moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

 

p.s. Documentation changes are already needed anyway. People are generally very confused about who gets and can send +Owner messages currently.
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moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

 

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 09:19 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I don't like changes that would require all groups that are using the +owner as a general catchall to have to make configuration and documentation changes.
I don't think they would have to. If you set up the defaults right, groups that want to make desired changes can do so.
 
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moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:20 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The “owner only” suggestion is taken care of by making it a general admin address and applying permissions accordingly. I would not overly complicate this.
I don't like changes that would require all groups that are using the +owner as a general catchall to have to make configuration and documentation changes. In other words, I would want to see backwards compatibility. Adding a new feature that doesn't break anything existing is less of an annoyance.
 
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moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

 

The “owner only” suggestion is taken care of by making it a general admin address and applying permissions accordingly. I would not over complicate this.


On Aug 15, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:29 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think it’s too bad that these are called +Owner messages (on either side of the coin) rather than something like +Admin messages, when sometimes mods who may not be owners can send and/or receive them. Perhaps this is a holdover from yahoo, having an owner email address. I would make a radical change and make it +Admin. I think this would eliminate a lot of confusion, no matter what is decided re permissions and delivery preferences.
 
 

 


My interpretation is that the +Owner feature was implemented as a preference with the purpose of implementing an "Admin" group where prospective or subscribed members could make inquiries to the group. Apparently, some users are trying to use this feature as being a "private" owner email address. I also agree that the wording on the group home page certainly adds to this confusion:. "Group Owner: ...+owner@...groups.io"

To me, suggesting that this feature be changed to a permission is not the way to go. For the purpose it appears to be implemented as now, I would suggest that that name could be changed to "+Admin" or "+Inquiries" or something like to help clear up misunderstandings.

If a private "Owner" group email address is really considered necessary, a new "OwnerOnly" address could be implemented. That address needn't (shouldn't) be a published feature at all, it could just be an address that only the Owner could send from with replies only going to that address. Of course, that still leaves the issue of what to do with multiple owners... 🙄 Perhaps they could be run-time generated addresses?

 
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moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:29 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think it’s too bad that these are called +Owner messages (on either side of the coin) rather than something like +Admin messages, when sometimes mods who may not be owners can send and/or receive them. Perhaps this is a holdover from yahoo, having an owner email address. I would make a radical change and make it +Admin. I think this would eliminate a lot of confusion, no matter what is decided re permissions and delivery preferences.
 
 

 


My interpretation is that the +Owner feature was implemented as a preference with the purpose of implementing an "Admin" group where prospective or subscribed members could make inquiries to the group. Apparently, some users are trying to use this feature as being a "private" owner email address. I also agree that the wording on the group home page certainly adds to this confusion:. "Group Owner: ...+owner@...groups.io"

To me, suggesting that this feature be changed to a permission is not the way to go. For the purpose it appears to be implemented as now, I would suggest that that name could be changed to "+Admin" or "+Inquiries" or something like to help clear up misunderstandings.

If a private "Owner" group email address is really considered necessary, a new "OwnerOnly" address could be implemented. That address needn't (shouldn't) be a published feature at all, it could just be an address that only the Owner could send from with replies only going to that address. Of course, that still leaves the issue of what to do with multiple owners... 🙄 Perhaps they could be run-time generated addresses?

 
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moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

 

Sorry, I keep erroneously saying the Owner Messages page is under the Notes page. Of course, it’s not. It’s separate. 

Also, since the ability to reply to the messages exists from that page, the page would have to be adjusted in that regard as well according to the permission, if this is made a permission.


On Aug 15, 2019, at 4:29 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I think it’s too bad that these are called +Owner messages (on either side of the coin) rather than something like +Admin messages, when sometimes mods who may not be owners can send and/or receive them. Perhaps this is a holdover from yahoo, having an owner email address. I would make a radical change and make it +Admin. I think this would eliminate a lot of confusion, no matter what is decided re permissions and delivery preferences.

I would also keep in mind, during this while discussion, that the member Owner Messages page under their Notes page will have to be adjusted according to the permission setting, if access to read the messsges is made an explicit permission.


On Aug 15, 2019, at 2:31 AM, Jeremy H via Groups.Io <jeremygharrison@...> wrote:

To start, there are two things which any discussion on this subject has to start from:
1) Sending and receiving '+owner' messages are two sides of the same coin.
2) Within groups.io, 'Moderator' can mean many things from 'owner in all but name' (with full powers) to 'trusted member allowed to do a few extra things' (that ordinary members aren't)

Having said that, my thoughts are:
1) The ability to send and receive/read '+owner' messages should be a moderator permission, granted by the owner as others, and with three options: (i) send and receive/read; (ii) receive/read only; and (iii) no access. (whether it can be done as one, or needs to be done as two, is a technical issue). 
2) Whether a moderator (permitted to receive/read such messages), receives them as e-mails, or is just able to read them on line should be a preference they can set, as with ordinary group messages: whether it can use the same preference setting(s) as ordinary messages, or should be its own setting, is something I'm ambivalent over.
3) There follows a group management issue (nothing to do with the technicalities/software/group.io service per se), that the owner should be clarifying his expectations to any moderator with this privilege - as to whether they should be pro-active and instantly responding, or not.

So I think I'm essentially with J_Catlady on this one.

Jeremy

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moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

 

I think it’s too bad that these are called +Owner messages (on either side of the coin) rather than something like +Admin messages, when sometimes mods who may not be owners can send and/or receive them. Perhaps this is a holdover from yahoo, having an owner email address. I would make a radical change and make it +Admin. I think this would eliminate a lot of confusion, no matter what is decided re permissions and delivery preferences.

I would also keep in mind, during this while discussion, that the member Owner Messages page under their Notes page will have to be adjusted according to the permission setting, if access to read the messsges is made an explicit permission.


On Aug 15, 2019, at 2:31 AM, Jeremy H via Groups.Io <jeremygharrison@...> wrote:

To start, there are two things which any discussion on this subject has to start from:
1) Sending and receiving '+owner' messages are two sides of the same coin.
2) Within groups.io, 'Moderator' can mean many things from 'owner in all but name' (with full powers) to 'trusted member allowed to do a few extra things' (that ordinary members aren't)

Having said that, my thoughts are:
1) The ability to send and receive/read '+owner' messages should be a moderator permission, granted by the owner as others, and with three options: (i) send and receive/read; (ii) receive/read only; and (iii) no access. (whether it can be done as one, or needs to be done as two, is a technical issue). 
2) Whether a moderator (permitted to receive/read such messages), receives them as e-mails, or is just able to read them on line should be a preference they can set, as with ordinary group messages: whether it can use the same preference setting(s) as ordinary messages, or should be its own setting, is something I'm ambivalent over.
3) There follows a group management issue (nothing to do with the technicalities/software/group.io service per se), that the owner should be clarifying his expectations to any moderator with this privilege - as to whether they should be pro-active and instantly responding, or not.

So I think I'm essentially with J_Catlady on this one.

Jeremy

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moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

Jeremy H
 

To start, there are two things which any discussion on this subject has to start from:
1) Sending and receiving '+owner' messages are two sides of the same coin.
2) Within groups.io, 'Moderator' can mean many things from 'owner in all but name' (with full powers) to 'trusted member allowed to do a few extra things' (that ordinary members aren't)

Having said that, my thoughts are:
1) The ability to send and receive/read '+owner' messages should be a moderator permission, granted by the owner as others, and with three options: (i) send and receive/read; (ii) receive/read only; and (iii) no access. (whether it can be done as one, or needs to be done as two, is a technical issue). 
2) Whether a moderator (permitted to receive/read such messages), receives them as e-mails, or is just able to read them on line should be a preference they can set, as with ordinary group messages: whether it can use the same preference setting(s) as ordinary messages, or should be its own setting, is something I'm ambivalent over.
3) There follows a group management issue (nothing to do with the technicalities/software/group.io service per se), that the owner should be clarifying his expectations to any moderator with this privilege - as to whether they should be pro-active and instantly responding, or not.

So I think I'm essentially with J_Catlady on this one.

Jeremy


moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

Michael Pavan
 

I suggest:

1) That +owner messages should only be able to be sent by an Owner or Moderator that WILL receive replies to those messages.

2) If an Owner or Moderator later sets themselves to not receive +owner emails,
that Owner or Moderator should STILL receive replies to any +owner emails they sent.

3) If an Owner, or Moderator with "Set Moderators Privileges" turns off whether a Moderator will receive +owner emails,
that Moderator should NOT be able to turn them back on, nor send +owner emails,
UNLESS they have "Set Moderators Privileges" AND turn their receiving +owner emails back on.
[This would control if a Moderator can send a +owner message, but perhaps it could be done another way]

4) Log entries should also specify what was turned on or off, along with the current: who changed who's and when.
Now changes made (in Admin > Members, clicking on Moderator's row) are logged:
[15 Moderator Permissions (on/off), 6 Notifications (on/off), and Owner Email (1 of 3) = 22],
and each results in (up to 22) identical, unidentified log entries:
'who' changed 'who's' moderator permissions via web with <time and/or date>
(including if the change is by you of you).
But the same changes made (in Subscription) are not logged - but should be:
[6 Notifications (on/off), and Owner Email (1 of 3)].


moderated Re: Sending messages as +owner #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:58 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 07:34 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
will check that out later a
Looks like Gerald deleted that message? 
 
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Yes, my oops.

I apparently had two drafts open and sent the wrong one. Tried to correct by deleting that post and trying to send the correct one. The delete worked, but trying to send another draft of the same post doesn't work, so I lost both copies.

Sorry.

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moderated Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

 

I think it should be a preference *and* a permission. First, a permission by the owner (does the owner want this mod to be privy to all owner messages), and if so, a preference by the mod (does that mod want to receive the emails for owner messages, or just have access to them in their member Notes page).

What's still getting lost here, or seems to be, is that currently, all mods have access to owner messages by members via the member Notes page, so the permission to see such messages already automatically exists. I think it shouldn't, and the two alternatives for ways around it I see are (1) make access to member Notes pages a specific permission (something I've been asking for, and I think received some support for here, in the past), or (2) make access to owner emails a specific permission (this would entail the Notes page including owner messages only if the permission was granted).

A minor detail is what to do with owner messages from non-members in the two cases. If (2), that would be taken care of automatically. If (1) (Notes page access), it would have to dealt with explicitly.
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moderated +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 04:34 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I think the moderator's Owner Email option to receive +owner messages or not should remain a subscription option, equivalent to their Notifications checkboxes or for that matter to their Email Delivery option to receive group messages or not. That is, I think shared control (either the subject mod or an owner can change it) is wholly appropriate.
Starting a new thread here, as we've digressed enough already, and I regret having contributed to that.

I agree with Shal's comment above. One advantage of having +owner email delivery be a preference rather than a permission is to allow folks to go on vacation (or whatever) and control which emails are sent to them, without the Owner having to intervene every time. The whole of groups.io is designed to let each individual decide what emails are sent their way; this is just another example of that.

Perhaps less convincingly, with 15 permissions checkboxes already present in a Moderator setup screen, I'm inclined to push back on the notion that it needs further expansion. There are a number of Moderator permissions that are set by the mere fact that a person is a Moderator; and as others have noted, +owner messages (at least from existing subscribers) are already accessible to those Mods who have access to member records. 

Hope this helps,
Bruce


moderated Re: Sending messages as +owner #suggestion

 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 07:52 AM, Victoria wrote:
Mods can change their permission to receive owner-emails even though they do not have the “set Moderator Privileges” marked.
That's right but they already have access to members' owner emails via the Notes page. I was trying, and am still trying, to make access to the Notes page a specific permission. I'm not sure what state that request is in. If that happens, then the receiving of owner emails should be a specific permission as well.

One caveat is that currently, mods can set themselves to receive owner emails from non-members as well as members. That goes above and beyond their access to members' owner emails via the Notes page. I think this area definitely needs cleaning up one way or the other. 
 
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moderated Re: Sending messages as +owner #suggestion

 

 

 

J. wrote: “Well, I’m in a group where I can change my own owner-email preferences and absolutely don’t have permission to set anybody’s privileges. Maybe your question should not have been rhetorical.😊

It´s something I noticed shortly after I founded my group. Mods can change their permission to receive owner-emails even though they do not have the “set Moderator Privileges” marked. One of my mods just tried it out again.

Victoria


On Aug 14, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

Actually, my question was rhetorical. I am saying that a Moderator does not have the ability to change what Owner messages they receive unless they have the "Set Moderator Privileges". There may be some other combination I am not aware of, or Mark may have granted you super-powers, but here is what I see when I tested.

I tested with two different accounts, each in their own browser. I made certain to refresh the browser view after I made a change in the other browser.

Here are the views of the Moderator's privileges as seen by the Owner (left) and the Moderator (right). Note that the Moderator 's view(right side) does not have any option to change the setting to view Owner's email .

<WithoutPriv.jpg>

Here are the Owners (left) and Moderator's (right) view of the setting with the "Set Moderator Privileges" enabled. Now, the Moderator can change the settings.

<WithPriv.jpg>

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On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 04:44 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

No.

 


On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:38 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

If that's truly the case

I just verified that this is the case and think it needs to be fixed. I myself am a mod in one group where apparently the owner didn't want me receiving owner emails and checked "none" for that. Yet I can go into my subscription and change it so that I get them. I strongly feel that this is not right, or at least is misleading to the group owner, who is given the impression they can control it. It should either be changed so that only the owner can control it, or make it clear that the owner does not control it, and preferably the former.
 
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Not so fast. Did the Owner give you the "Set Moderators Privileges" permission? If you have that, then as a Moderator you can change your setting for receiving Owner emails. In fact, as that Moderator, you can also change the Owner's settings too.
 
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moderated Re: Sending messages as +owner #suggestion

 

And if you think about it, as I said (and Shal implied) before, this makes sense. Every mod has unrestricted access to every member’s owner emails via the member’s Notes page, whether they choose to receive them via email or not. Access to owner emails is not currently a permission. It’s automatically granted to every mod. Receiving emails is, as Shal said, just a matter of the delivery method.


On Aug 14, 2019, at 7:28 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Well, I’m in a group where I can change my own owner-email preferences and absolutely don’t have permission to set anybody’s privileges. Maybe your question should not have been rhetorical.😊


On Aug 14, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

Actually, my question was rhetorical. I am saying that a Moderator does not have the ability to change what Owner messages they receive unless they have the "Set Moderator Privileges". There may be some other combination I am not aware of, or Mark may have granted you super-powers, but here is what I see when I tested.

I tested with two different accounts, each in their own browser. I made certain to refresh the browser view after I made a change in the other browser.

Here are the views of the Moderator's privileges as seen by the Owner (left) and the Moderator (right). Note that the Moderator 's view(right side) does not have any option to change the setting to view Owner's email .

<WithoutPriv.jpg>

Here are the Owners (left) and Moderator's (right) view of the setting with the "Set Moderator Privileges" enabled. Now, the Moderator can change the settings.

<WithPriv.jpg>

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On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 04:44 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
No.
 

On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:


On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:38 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
If that's truly the case
I just verified that this is the case and think it needs to be fixed. I myself am a mod in one group where apparently the owner didn't want me receiving owner emails and checked "none" for that. Yet I can go into my subscription and change it so that I get them. I strongly feel that this is not right, or at least is misleading to the group owner, who is given the impression they can control it. It should either be changed so that only the owner can control it, or make it clear that the owner does not control it, and preferably the former.
 
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J

 

Not so fast. Did the Owner give you the "Set Moderators Privileges" permission? If you have that, then as a Moderator you can change your setting for receiving Owner emails. In fact, as that Moderator, you can also change the Owner's settings too.
 
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moderated Re: Sending messages as +owner #suggestion

 

Well, I’m in a group where I can change my own owner-email preferences and absolutely don’t have permission to set anybody’s privileges. Maybe your question should not have been rhetorical.😊


On Aug 14, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

Actually, my question was rhetorical. I am saying that a Moderator does not have the ability to change what Owner messages they receive unless they have the "Set Moderator Privileges". There may be some other combination I am not aware of, or Mark may have granted you super-powers, but here is what I see when I tested.

I tested with two different accounts, each in their own browser. I made certain to refresh the browser view after I made a change in the other browser.

Here are the views of the Moderator's privileges as seen by the Owner (left) and the Moderator (right). Note that the Moderator 's view(right side) does not have any option to change the setting to view Owner's email .

<WithoutPriv.jpg>

Here are the Owners (left) and Moderator's (right) view of the setting with the "Set Moderator Privileges" enabled. Now, the Moderator can change the settings.

<WithPriv.jpg>

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On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 04:44 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
No.
 

On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:


On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:38 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
If that's truly the case
I just verified that this is the case and think it needs to be fixed. I myself am a mod in one group where apparently the owner didn't want me receiving owner emails and checked "none" for that. Yet I can go into my subscription and change it so that I get them. I strongly feel that this is not right, or at least is misleading to the group owner, who is given the impression they can control it. It should either be changed so that only the owner can control it, or make it clear that the owner does not control it, and preferably the former.
 
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J

 

Not so fast. Did the Owner give you the "Set Moderators Privileges" permission? If you have that, then as a Moderator you can change your setting for receiving Owner emails. In fact, as that Moderator, you can also change the Owner's settings too.
 
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moderated Re: Sending messages as +owner #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Actually, my question was rhetorical. I am saying that a Moderator does not have the ability to change what Owner messages they receive unless they have the "Set Moderator Privileges". There may be some other combination I am not aware of, or Mark may have granted you super-powers, but here is what I see when I tested.

I tested with two different accounts, each in their own browser. I made certain to refresh the browser view after I made a change in the other browser.

Here are the views of the Moderator's privileges as seen by the Owner (left) and the Moderator (right). Note that the Moderator 's view(right side) does not have any option to change the setting to view Owner's email .



Here are the Owners (left) and Moderator's (right) view of the setting with the "Set Moderator Privileges" enabled. Now, the Moderator can change the settings.



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Gerald


On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 04:44 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
No.
 

On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:


On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:38 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
If that's truly the case
I just verified that this is the case and think it needs to be fixed. I myself am a mod in one group where apparently the owner didn't want me receiving owner emails and checked "none" for that. Yet I can go into my subscription and change it so that I get them. I strongly feel that this is not right, or at least is misleading to the group owner, who is given the impression they can control it. It should either be changed so that only the owner can control it, or make it clear that the owner does not control it, and preferably the former.
 
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J

 

Not so fast. Did the Owner give you the "Set Moderators Privileges" permission? If you have that, then as a Moderator you can change your setting for receiving Owner emails. In fact, as that Moderator, you can also change the Owner's settings too.
 
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moderated Re: the fix to including sigs in text went too far ?

 

I think the only change should be to enclose the quote in ellipses only if it’s the the whole prior message quoted at the top or, alternatively, enclose just the sig in ellipses if the quote, whatever it consists of, is at the top. I would not want other cases of quotes at the top to disappear. That would defeat deliberate quoting and answering.


On Aug 13, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I do as well, which is why I don't. It is easier for me to read a short message and not a fully quoted thread.

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On 13 Aug 2019, at 15:46, J_Catlady wrote:

If the responder uses a short quote, as I just did in the last message, then it’s like question-answer. But not if they quote the entire previous message *at the top*, including the signature. This just does not work. In emails, you’re used to seeing the prior message in it’s entirety at the bottom. When you see an entire message at the top, complete with sig, you think *that* is the message. St least, I do.


On Aug 13, 2019, at 3:26 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 02:51 PM, Duane wrote:
As it is now, it's like a question (quote) and answer (reply).
But it's nearly impossible to parse that way on a phone. (On the web, it looks completely different.)
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: the fix to including sigs in text went too far ?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'd say give that a try and see how we like it. Sounds good to me.

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For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 13 Aug 2019, at 16:01, Shal Farley wrote:

Mark,


Should we collapse quoted parts in this case as well (ie. only one quoted part and it appears at the top of the message)?

I vote yes, given that reading in Topic mode is mostly the default and in that mode the quote duplicates the (or a) message above it. Even for Message mode, opening the ... is no problem.

In Digests eliding a top quote would present no different difficulties than does the current practice of eliding a bottom-quote. Both easily solved by clicking View/Reply Online in the message footer, assuming you're willing to be logged in or it is a group with Public archives.

Shal

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