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moderated Re: Group "join" page not accessible when logged in

 

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:42 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
How and where are you getting to the apply-to-group URL with the word "join"
I mean, since that one doesn't take you to the right place, and since you can't see what the apply-to-group URL is without actually going there by clicking on the button.
 
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moderated Re: Group "join" page not accessible when logged in

 

Ok. I am checking my "fact checking" right now: How and where are you getting to the apply-to-group URL with the word "join"?

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:28 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 01:18 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Well, I just checked and the URL has the word "joined," not "join." So maybe one of those has to change.
That URL only shows up if you have *already* applied to join. Please check your fact-checking.

Bruce


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moderated Re: Group "join" page not accessible when logged in

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 01:18 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Well, I just checked and the URL has the word "joined," not "join." So maybe one of those has to change.
That URL only shows up if you have *already* applied to join. Please check your fact-checking.

Bruce


moderated Re: Group "join" page not accessible when logged in

 

Well, I just checked and the URL has the word "joined," not "join." So maybe one of those has to change.
(To the owner of TeaneckShul: I didn't mean to apply to your group! That was just a test! Your group was at the top of the list of groups.:-)

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:24 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Or maybe it's because for a restricted group, the link is to "apply for membership," not "join"?
For Restricted groups the button text on the home page changes but the URL is no different. So I don't think that's it.

Regards,
Bruce


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moderated Re: Group "join" page not accessible when logged in

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Or maybe it's because for a restricted group, the link is to "apply for membership," not "join"?
For Restricted groups the button text on the home page changes but the URL is no different. So I don't think that's it.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Group "join" page not accessible when logged in

 

Or maybe it's because for a restricted group, the link is to "apply for membership," not "join"?


On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:03 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bug. Wasn't there something about a recent change to the naming scheme? Wonder whether it could be the result of that.

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 7:51 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
If you attempt to send a message to a group that you're not [yet] subscribed to, an error message is returned. It says, in part:

>>> groupname@groups.io (reading confirmation): 510 5.1.1 Your email address, youremail@..., is not subscribed to that group. To subscribe, send an email to groupname+subscribe@groups.io, or visit https://groups.io/g/groupname/join

Unfortunately, if you happen to be logged in when you click on the provided link, you don't land on the join page. Instead, you're re-directed to the list of groups you're already subscribed to (at https://groups.io/groups).

I don't know if this is a bug or a feature...perhaps someone here can clarify.

Thanks,
Bruce


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moderated Re: Group "join" page not accessible when logged in

 

Bug. Wasn't there something about a recent change to the naming scheme? Wonder whether it could be the result of that.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 7:51 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
If you attempt to send a message to a group that you're not [yet] subscribed to, an error message is returned. It says, in part:

>>> groupname@groups.io (reading confirmation): 510 5.1.1 Your email address, youremail@..., is not subscribed to that group. To subscribe, send an email to groupname+subscribe@groups.io, or visit https://groups.io/g/groupname/join

Unfortunately, if you happen to be logged in when you click on the provided link, you don't land on the join page. Instead, you're re-directed to the list of groups you're already subscribed to (at https://groups.io/groups).

I don't know if this is a bug or a feature...perhaps someone here can clarify.

Thanks,
Bruce


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moderated Group "join" page not accessible when logged in

Bruce Bowman
 

If you attempt to send a message to a group that you're not [yet] subscribed to, an error message is returned. It says, in part:

>>> groupname@groups.io (reading confirmation): 510 5.1.1 Your email address, youremail@..., is not subscribed to that group. To subscribe, send an email to groupname+subscribe@groups.io, or visit https://groups.io/g/groupname/join

Unfortunately, if you happen to be logged in when you click on the provided link, you don't land on the join page. Instead, you're re-directed to the list of groups you're already subscribed to (at https://groups.io/groups).

I don't know if this is a bug or a feature...perhaps someone here can clarify.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated how do I change permissions to include remove_members permission

timfong888@...
 

While trying to test the remove members API, I wasn't able to because I needed permissions.

However, under users, I do not see a way to update a users permission.

I do not see an object called permission.

Where is this set?




moderated How can I tell if I have permisions to use the direct add method?

timfong888@...
 

Where is the documentation for this?
You must have the invite_members permission to use this call. In addition, the group must be a Premium or Enterprise group.

How can I tell if I have this?  Could we put a link so I know right away when trying to use https://groups.io/api#direct_add that I need permission and find out what that is?

Right now, I read it, and don't know.  I copy the example code, and it doesn't work, but I'm not sure if it's a permissions thing.


moderated Re: Group home page redesign

Michael Pavan
 

On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:34 AM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm wondering if it would be possible to make the Active Topics and Top Hashtags sections optional as part of the group settings.
Yes

In the General area of the Settings page, these could be included at the bottom, after the Website box, with a checkbox to enable them. It would probably be a good idea to have them enabled by default, if the feature is added, to allow folks to get an idea of how things look before they make a decision on usage.
I would prefer the default to be OFF, as hashtags should be an option to choose rather than a nuance to turn off.


BTW, the problem with deleting all hashtags to remove that section is that some would be recreated when a calendar event occurs.
Again, hashtags, especially automatic hashtags, should be turned ON rather than have to be turned OFF.

The only use I have for hashtags are the automatic Calendar hashtags and ONLY to trigger Moderation of Event Reminders to EDIT out the unwanted excess verbiage that is currently automatically being added,
from:
[Subject Tag] <type of event:> <Event Name> <Date> <Start Time> <End Time> <#cal-hashtag>
to:
[Subject Tag] <Event Name> <Date> <Start Time>


moderated Re: Group home page redesign

Duane
 

I'm wondering if it would be possible to make the Active Topics and Top Hashtags sections optional as part of the group settings.  In the General area of the Settings page, these could be included at the bottom, after the Website box, with a checkbox to enable them.  It would probably be a good idea to have them enabled by default, if the feature is added, to allow folks to get an idea of how things look before they make a decision on usage.

BTW, the problem with deleting all hashtags to remove that section is that some would be recreated when a calendar event occurs.

Duane


moderated Re: Text only emails

Dave
 

Thank you Shal.


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

 

Mark,

In this test, the Your Groups dropdown is reverted to the original, no
titles display. The Groups page now shows (truncated) titles.
I definitely prefer having the group "names" in the dropdown.

I think part of what makes the added Titles in the Groups page seem cluttered is that, in groups with subgroups, the subgroup name is a little lost between the subdomain name and the Title. For my groups without subgroups the Title doesn't seem as visually distracting to me.

I'm not sure how to fix that though. Maybe Gerald's idea of putting the Titles in their own column, but I don't necessarily want to launch you down the rabbit hole of providing per-user column selection (or sizing).

Overall, having the Titles in the page serves as a helpful reminder that groups /have/ Titles. Which is otherwise easy to forget.

Shal
Oh, and incidentally, the tab text for the page is still "Your Subscriptions". Which semantically I like better than "Your Groups" and I'd love to argue that the other usages should be converted to "Your Subscriptions", or maybe "Your Memberships", but that's another topic (and IIRC one that got argued out once before, or at least discussed).


moderated Re: Text only emails

 

David,


I request that a member may configure his or her membership to specify:
  • text only
  • no attachments.

No attachments they can already do. See the Advanced Preferences section of their subscription page. One of the selections for Max Attachment Size is 0 (no attachments).

Text only would be a new per-subscription feature. You can set the whole group to Text Only or to Normalize HTML, but not individual members.

Shal


moderated Text only emails

Dave
 

There are several members on my groups that live in fringe satellite connection areas, like Yellow Knife, Yukon.  The connection fees are based on up/down stream volume.  I request that a member may configure his or her membership to specify:
  • text only
  • no attachments.
Thank you for the consideration.

David,
linuxham, nbems, win-fldigi


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 09:29 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
which makes your #21804 a bit misleading!
Who, me, misleading? Never!!! ;) I did mention it originally but not in that standalone post. :)
 
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 05:04 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
You can disagree, but it's a fact. I am talking about a case in which no display name was changed. I did not test *actually* changing a display name and at this point have no idea what happens when you do. They are two separate cases.

 I disagree with (3) because a difference was recorded

Again: a fact. The system logs a "change" in display name when none occurred, and it logs it as "changed from x to x" where x did not change.
Ah; a situation you did not mention originally, whereby a Moderator Saves an unchanged page, which makes your #21804 a bit misleading!

Chris


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

J,



Glad to hear others have noticed and are concerned about this feature in general.

Yup. I also have a ticket open with support.


For YEARS I had been trying to get display name changes by moderators logged, and for years,

In my first test I (an owner) changed a member's (not mod/owner) Display Name and it was logged as a change of moderator permissions. That caused my report to support.

After Mark reported here that the Display Name changes are now recorded I ran the same test again and this time it was recorded, but not entirely correctly. It was recorded as a Display Name change, citing my owner account as the actor, and showing the X (before) and Y (after) of the member's Display name, but not showing the member's email (your item 2). Also logged under member activity (your item 4).

Now he seems to have gone overboard in reverse, logging mods' changing display names when they did no such thing. :)

Yeah, it seems rather muddled. I haven't tried the other owner actions you cite, but I suspect I'd get similar errant results.

Shal


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Yep. Every time a mod even touches the member page, it's logged as if the mod changed their own display name from "member's original display name" to "member's original display name." That's what I suspected.

I don't even want to LOOk to see what happens when you actually change someone's display name! LOL

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 9:17 AM Andy W <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 05:04 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I am talking about a case in which no display name was changed.
I would agree with J on this.  I've just tested it on my group and if I open a member record and then just click the save button an activity log entry is generated about a display name change.

Also, I tried changing the subscription setting and posting privileges (separate tests).. This were correctly recorded in the activity but both were also accompanied by another entry in the activity log about a display name change when there was none.

Andy


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