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locked Re: Editing To: Cc: in moderation queue

 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

And for some instances where someone sends a message from a DMARC
p=reject domain, we re-write the CC line as well.
What purpose would that serve? I assume that on the outbound side of Groups.io all of the content of the To: and CC: fields is effectively commentary that won't be acted on.
When we have to re-write the From line because of DMARC, and the
group's reply-to is set to reply to sender, we set the reply-to to be
the sender and we add a CC line for the group. So if someone wants to
do a reply-to-all, it'll capture the group's address.


Mark


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Yes, for me it was very easy, which is one of the reasons that I went with IO, but I have run into some SNAFU's with some of my members moving over from Yahoo or Wiggio (where they were for years). Mark was able to fix the one from last night, something to do with her email service sending the confirmation email to the wrong address. 

I've had a couple who when I sent the invitation, IO just shows that it failed. No idea why. Canceling/resending the invite gets the same result. Only two people so far, one of whom uses gmail. Plenty of other gmail users had no problems receiving invites. These two are still in limbo, unable to join.

Also a couple said they did the steps to confirm and are already getting group emails, but in the invitation screen it still looks like they never accepted the invite. I think some of them may have gone to the group home page and joined manually as opposed to accepting the invite. Seems the invitation screen doesn't record that they became members via a different process.

Some other people don't appear to be getting the invitations or they're possibly ignoring them or they're going to spam? Hard for me to tell for sure. They just keep saying I never saw an invitation.

Getting back to the social logins...allowing it by default, I took that to mean that they would get that as the first option, with the box already checked to make that their default. That right there would freak some of my members out. LOL I'm dealing with probably a 60/40 non-tech vs fairly tech-savvy membership.. For that 60% who are not techie, they really have NO desire to learn more than they have to. Just telling these people we were switching over to a new groups service was traumatic and/or annoying for some, so letting it go to a social media login by default would probably put them into confusion mode which is why I'd prefer that they have to check a box to choose social media login. If they don't, then it's the typical choose a password login by default. Oh how I wish they were all tech geeks or at least had an interest, but they're not.

Perhaps social login could be a choice/option the list owner can set up? That way tech-savvy groups could lean toward social media as their preference/default setting. If you're dealing with a group whose members are less interested in tech and/or despise social media, then you choose the standard IO login as the primary option for your group (with social being there as an option they can select if desired).

Trish

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Trish,

> I wouldn't want to force anyone to log in via a social networking
> login.

Of course not.

> I think that should be an option they have to select as opposed to
> defaulting to it.

We were discussing allowing it by default, not requiring it.

> I have someone who's been trying to join groups.io <http://groups.io>
> since last night who can't figure out the login/approval process.

I'm curious where they're hung up, if you know. Perhaps they're over-thinking it (expecting it to be as complex as Yahoo).

Unless something broke since the last time I tried it, signing up for Groups.io web access really is as simple as verifying an email address and setting a password. There is no unique ID to choose, nor an an email address to set up.

-- Shal






locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Trish,

I wouldn't want to force anyone to log in via a social networking
login.
Of course not.

I think that should be an option they have to select as opposed to
defaulting to it.
We were discussing allowing it by default, not requiring it.

I have someone who's been trying to join groups.io <http://groups.io>;
since last night who can't figure out the login/approval process.
I'm curious where they're hung up, if you know. Perhaps they're over-thinking it (expecting it to be as complex as Yahoo).

Unless something broke since the last time I tried it, signing up for Groups.io web access really is as simple as verifying an email address and setting a password. There is no unique ID to choose, nor an an email address to set up.

-- Shal


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

Judy F.
 

I agree Dano.

Judy
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: D R Stinson [mailto:dano@mt.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:57 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

I had a thought (it happens occasionally). What about people who
register via email, using groupname+subscribe@groups.io? Should they
be defaulted to being able to log in via a social login? My gut says
yes. Thoughts?
I agree. I think it should be disabled by user only when he/she first
establishes a native password.
I just have an observation here. My concern is that this whole package is trying to be all things to all people and it might get too confusing on it's surface for some. I like the options and possibilities for individual users, but they should somewhere that savvy users would expect to go find them and basic users won't run into and be confused. We don't want to loose our less tech-savvy members because they think this system looks too complicated for them.
Dano


locked Re: Group Transfer

 

Hi Sener,

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Sener Yelkenci via GROUPS.IO
<seneryelkenci=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Could we transfer our groups also from other services then YahooGroups and
GoogleGroups to Groups.io . Like Groupspaces.com
Yes, if you have a member list in an easy to read text format, and can
show that you own the group, we'd be happy to help. You can contact me
off-list to get things going.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

Frances
 

Hi

I like Shal’s suggestion - 

Allow any service until the user either uses a social sign-in or establishes a password. Then enable only that service or none, respectively. In other words, any authenticated access locks your account down to just that form of authentication, but leaves you with the ability to enable other social logins if you desire.

I think that it is younger users who may choose to log in with Facebook or Google. And we don’t want to miss that demographic. 

Some like me (older!) who have both these logins (and use those services) don’t choose to use the same login for multiple platforms. 

If Shal’s suggestion or a variation of that happens, the home screen of Groups.io should say something that clearly says that you are choosing to create a Groups.io account with Facebook, etc. Sorry, not sure of best wording.

However, not just “sign in with”. As I mentioned, one user the other day who had a Groups.io account attempted to sign in with her Facebook account.

Just thinking though, if someone wishes to, they can put any other email address in their profile under email alias. 

Frances




locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

I wouldn't want to force anyone to log in via a social networking login. I think that should be an option they have to select as opposed to defaulting to it. 

I have someone who's been trying to join groups.io since last night who can't figure out the login/approval process. Add a Facebook login on top of that and she'd be even more lost.

On the flip side, tech-savvy people will quickly see an option to use a social login and select it if that's what they want. It'd be a no-brainer for people who use social media often.

Trish

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:57 AM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
> > I had a thought (it happens occasionally). What about people who
> > register via email, using groupname+subscribe@groups.io? Should they
> > be defaulted to being able to log in via a social login? My gut says
> > yes. Thoughts?
> I agree.  I think it should be disabled by user only when he/she first
> establishes a native password.

I just have an observation here. My concern is that this whole package is trying to be all things to all people and it might get too confusing on it's surface for some. I like the options and possibilities for individual users, but they should somewhere that savvy users would expect to go find them and basic users won't run into and be confused. We don't want to loose our less tech-savvy members because they think this system looks too complicated for them.
Dano







locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

I had a thought (it happens occasionally). What about people who
register via email, using groupname+subscribe@groups.io? Should they
be defaulted to being able to log in via a social login? My gut says
yes. Thoughts?
I agree. I think it should be disabled by user only when he/she first
establishes a native password.
I just have an observation here. My concern is that this whole package is trying to be all things to all people and it might get too confusing on it's surface for some. I like the options and possibilities for individual users, but they should somewhere that savvy users would expect to go find them and basic users won't run into and be confused. We don't want to loose our less tech-savvy members because they think this system looks too complicated for them.
Dano


locked Group Transfer

 

Could we transfer our groups also from other services then YahooGroups and GoogleGroups to Groups.io . Like Groupspaces.com


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Maybe it contains a risk but its easy to transfer some people from google+ and from facebook. We need this option for Yahoo and Outlook (Hotmail, msn etc.) also.


SY



locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Mark,

I guess I need to re-state that.

I said:
And I'm with Ronaldo on the idea that the enable/disable should be
per-service (looking ahead to having more than two).
So it would be:

Allow any service until the user either uses a social sign-in or establishes a password. Then enable only that service or none, respectively. In other words, any authenticated access locks your account down to just that form of authentication, but leaves you with the ability to enable other social logins if you desire.

-- Shal


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

On 10 Mar 2015 at 16:50, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I had a thought (it happens occasionally). What about people who
register via email, using groupname+subscribe@groups.io? Should they
be defaulted to being able to log in via a social login? My gut says
yes. Thoughts?
I agree. I think it should be disabled by user only when he/she first
establishes a native password.


--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< I want to be a veterinarian because I love children. >>


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

Mark,

What about people who register via email, using
groupname+subscribe@groups.io?
I forget the flow there.

If they don't establish a password then yes, allow social sign-in until they either use a social sign-in or set a password. Then yes or no, respectively. In other words, setting a native password locks down your account, but leaves you with the ability to enable social login if you desire.

And I'm with Ronaldo on the idea that the enable/disable should be per-service (looking ahead to having more than two).

-- Shal


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

Duane
 

I'd prefer that they not be allowed to use a social login if they subscribe by email

Duane


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

How about defaulting it to Disable if one first establishes a "native"
password, but Enable if one first signed in via a social login?
Makes sense to me. Implemented and pushed to the live site.
I had a thought (it happens occasionally). What about people who
register via email, using groupname+subscribe@groups.io? Should they
be defaulted to being able to log in via a social login? My gut says
yes. Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

Cacky B
 

I'm ok with adding a checkbox on your profile that you can check to disable social logins. Would that work for everyone? Thanks, Mark

I would use that.
Cacky

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locked Re: New feature: Login via Facebook or Google

 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Frances <travel@tansymews.ca> wrote:

Just got this message from a group member who receives a digest:

I find this new set up difficult. How can I read a full message? I tried to
use Facebook sign in but got this:

App Not Setup: The developers of this app have not set up this app properly
for Facebook Login.
Eeep. I did some investigating and things aren't yet properly approved
on the Facebook side. The login works for me, because Facebook allows
that for testing, so I didn't know that it wasn't yet working for
others. I've taken out the Facebook login button for now until
Facebook approves things.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Website not linking properly #bug

 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:
There was a similar problem in a message (#2128) that Mark posted a few days ago. He inserted a link to Slack, but it links to https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/(http://slack.com) Looks like a problem with link parsing.
Similar problem, different part of the code. Should be fixed.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Website not linking properly #bug

 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:01 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@gmail.com> wrote:
I briefly looked at .tech-it-out. The webpage is listed as
www.communotech.com, but when you click it, it takes you to
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/www.communotech.com.
Thanks for pointing this out. I just made the code smarter and it now
handles this situation.

Mark


locked Re: Website not linking properly #bug

Duane
 

There was a similar problem in a message (#2128) that Mark posted a few days ago. He inserted a link to Slack, but it links to https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/(http://slack.com) Looks like a problem with link parsing.

Duane