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Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 12:02 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please let me know what you think.
As it is now, I like the Your Groups dropdown menu with just the subgroup email prefix (before the @) showing.  With around 19 subgroups, this is my main navigation tool so the less cluttered the better for me (I don't need to see the group titles).

I occasionally refer to the Your Groups page and having a group name and title displayed there (truncated as needed) works for me.

One thing I would like to see is consistency in the order of the two lists.  On the Your Groups drop down menu, I see beta and GMF at the top whereas on the Your Groups page, they are at the bottom.  As I constantly refer to beta and GMF, it would be helpful for me if they are at the top.

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 05:20 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 08:40 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
It's difficult enough to get  members to click on/use the wiki,
That's a great point. Why is that?
I suspect that anything that requires Subscribers to log in finishes up in the "not used much" category; most Subs seem to want to operate by email only. Such polling evidence that I have suggests that most Subs just don't use the web UI much, if at all.

Unfortunately...

Chris


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

I never look at Your Groups so I don't care what is on there. But I DO
use Groups page all the time and I do not like the clutter of truncated
titles. Please do NOT do it this way. I know what all my groups are
about (since I subscribe to them), I don't need reminding that it is
'Minos Contest Logging Program' or even worse 'Help improve the
Management of' with what it is of is truncated off... That must hold
the record of the most meaningless truncated title there is!

Thanks
Dave

On 24 Jul 2019 at 16:02, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Please see https://groups.io/groups?test=1

In this test, the Your Groups dropdown is reverted to the original, no
titles display. The Groups page now shows (truncated) titles.

http://davesergeant.com


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

| On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 06:02 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
| The Groups page now shows (truncated) titles.
It appears that groups where I'm an owner or moderator are alphabetical at the top, then groups or subgroups where I'm not, also alphabetical.
Perfect, although I wouldn't mind not having the Groups names
There's (currently) one group where I'm a mod, but not for the subgroups, so those listings are separated.
I'm not in this situation, but it might make more sense to not separate subgroups from their group.
I suggest including both in the owner/moderator listing if any of them are owned or moderated by me.

Like others, I do like having the owner/mod groups at the top since those are the ones I tend to access the most, but it just seems weird.
It's good, not weird to me.

I'm sure I'd get used to it if there's not a simple solution. If each member could set a sort order, it should work for anyone,
that would be ideal
but that seems like a lot of work and another (or extended) database.
Agreed

Thanks for listening,
Yes, definitely thanks for listening



On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:24 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@infinichron.com> wrote:

The Your Groups Dropdown is back to the way it was.
not exactly, but OK - formerly the groups where I'm an owner or moderator are alphabetical at the top, then groups or subgroups where I'm not, also alphabetical.
Much cleaner and easier to read. I suspect several hundred thousand users that use this display will also be happy.
Absolutely

On the other hand, the "Your Groups" display is something I seldom need to look at. It probably comes in handy for Owner/Moderators that have several groups to administer.
Yes
That said, I don't see the need to have the descriptions listed here,
Agreed
and if I was implementing it, it would have been a separate column that could be hidden if desired.
Great idea
As it is now, it appears visually cluttered.
Yes, but better than before the update.


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

 

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 08:40 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
It's difficult enough to get  members to click on/use the wiki,
That's a great point. Why is that? Could it be because the wiki is at the bottom? The items aren't alphabetical. In fact, I can't figure out what the order is based on, but at least in the case of my group, it's not based on the usage - in fact, nearly the opposite. Here's the current order:

Home

Guidelines

Subscription

Messages

Hashtags

New Topic

New Poll

Chats

Directory

Calendar

Photos

Files 

Databases

Wiki

What is this order based on, if anything? If I had to create an order based on usage in my group (or desired usage), I would put Hashtags, New Polls, Chats, and Directory at the very bottom. We also don't use the calendar, but I'm guessing the majority of groups probably do, so I won't argue that it, for example, should be near the bottom. But I think for most groups, having Files, Photos, and Wiki closer to the top would be more useful.

 
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moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

KWKloeber
 

Mark

Yep, really fixed.  THANK YOU!  (It's difficult enough to get  members to click on/use the wiki, so can't make it any more difficult for them...)


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

The Your Groups Dropdown is back to the way it was. Much cleaner and easier to read. I suspect several hundred thousand users that use this display will also be happy.

On the other hand, the "Your Groups" display is something I seldom need to look at. It probably comes in handy for Owner/Moderators that have several groups to administer. That said, I don't see the need to have the descriptions listed here, and if I was implementing it, it would have been a separate column that could be hidden if desired. As it is now, it appears visually cluttered.

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Gerald


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 06:02 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The Groups page now shows (truncated) titles.
It appears that groups where I'm an owner or moderator are alphabetical at the top, then groups or subgroups where I'm not, also alphabetical.  There's (currently) one group where I'm a mod, but not for the subgroups, so those listings are separated.  Like others, I do like having the owner/mod groups at the top since those are the ones I tend to access the most, but it just seems weird.  I'm sure I'd get used to it if there's not a simple solution.  If each member could set a sort order, it should work for anyone, but that seems like a lot of work and another (or extended) database.

Thanks for listening,
Duane


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

 

Hi All,


In this test, the Your Groups dropdown is reverted to the original, no titles display. The Groups page now shows (truncated) titles.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Notification of file updates

 

When a new file is uploaded we are given the option of sending a notice to
members, but not when an existing file is updated. Can we please have that as
an additional option? In one of my groups adding a new file doesn't happen
often, but updates are common and members need to know about them.

Jim Fisher

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moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 6:42 PM Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

no change in the ToC action.  For instance click the ToC tags here 

https://groups.io/g/Catalina30/wiki/Removing-the-Rube-Goldberg-valve-on-a-mk-I


Ok, should really be fixed now. 

Notice also that several images are now vaporized.  Any idea what’s up w/ that?

Not off hand. If you send a link to a wiki page to support, I can take a look.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

KWKloeber
 

***I for one cannot correlate your query with the wiki on this group.***

no wonder, because there’s no ToC on this group’s wiki.


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

KWKloeber
 

Mark

no change in the ToC action.  For instance click the ToC tags here 

https://groups.io/g/Catalina30/wiki/Removing-the-Rube-Goldberg-valve-on-a-mk-I

Notice also that several images are now vaporized.  Any idea what’s up w/ that?

thx
ken


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:26 PM Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I noticed today that the table of contents tags on the wiki page no longer jump down the associated header line on page. 
The ToC links now open a NEW PAGE (at the associated header location.)

This was an unintended side effect of another change. It should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 08:26 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
I noticed today that the table of contents tags on the wiki page...

The wiki page of which group, exactly? I for one cannot correlate your query with the wiki on this group.

Chris


moderated Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

KWKloeber
 

I noticed today that the table of contents tags on the wiki page no longer jump down the associated header line on page. 
The ToC links now open a NEW PAGE (at the associated header location.)

Has anyone else noticed this? 
Mark, was there a change to how the ToC operates (or am I nuts?)?  If so (a change, not my being nuts) I ask that it be changed back so the action slides down the page to the header location.


moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

 

That's true. I just go back to my gut feeling, and common understanding of "edit," that this is the wrong treatment for an edit rather than for a new message. However, given that the edit in this case does create a new message (at least in email), maybe it's not so bad.  


On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:08 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:45 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 09:31 AM, Duane wrote:
Since you don't allow members to edit a post, it shouldn't make any difference if it's only effective with Save and Send. 
Not so. Moderators don't always save without sending.
I just wonder about consistency from the user's perspective.
It seems there are conflicting statements here.  If a moderator uses Save and Send, then those on email will see the change, but those who read online won't unless they go back to old messages.  It should be consistent if anything is changed, so that Save and Send updates the posting information as well as sending the email.  Save Without Sending would update neither.  As long as it always works the same way, it should be relatively easy for moderators to learn or be trained.

Duane


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moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:45 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 09:31 AM, Duane wrote:
Since you don't allow members to edit a post, it shouldn't make any difference if it's only effective with Save and Send. 
Not so. Moderators don't always save without sending.
I just wonder about consistency from the user's perspective.
It seems there are conflicting statements here.  If a moderator uses Save and Send, then those on email will see the change, but those who read online won't unless they go back to old messages.  It should be consistent if anything is changed, so that Save and Send updates the posting information as well as sending the email.  Save Without Sending would update neither.  As long as it always works the same way, it should be relatively easy for moderators to learn or be trained.

Duane


moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

 

[EDIT')] However: maybe you have a point. Maybe save without sending would not bump the message, but save with sending would. I just wonder about consistency from the user's perspective. It might seem strange that the groups they're in vary with respect to this feature.
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moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 09:31 AM, Duane wrote:
Since you don't allow members to edit a post, it shouldn't make any difference if it's only effective with Save and Send. 
Not so. Moderators don't always save without sending. 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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