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moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 09:03 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
does not typically move that content to the top of the space in other media
Hopefully, this won't be "other media" and will be much better.

Duane


moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 06:56 AM, Duane wrote:
  I encourage users of my groups to edit rather than double post, so this would be very useful to us.
I can see why you might want this in your group, then. It's the polar opposite of my group, where we have disabled editing because everyone was editing their posts many times in a row, which caused a big mess. (Yeah, we asked them to minimize it but they couldn't, or they didn't really get the message about why they shouldn't do that.) We, OTOH, make people send a new comment with any edits that they may have. In fact, the few other groups I'm in (including beta, BTW) also happen to have disabled editing, probably for the same reason as us. But for a group that encourages editing, it's a different situation. 
 
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moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

 

Well, since it's not happening, that seems like a decision! :)
Seriously: I think it would be unacceptable to do this as the default. Sometimes very old messages are edited (at least in my group) to fix something small. 
Also, editing a message, post, comment, article, or story does not typically move that content to the top of the space in other media. 
So although I would not be opposed to having an option, which actually sometimes might be handy, I think doing it as the default would be a big mistake.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 6:56 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 08:35 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Often in our group, edits are very minor. And also, often they are saved without sending.
I could see a Save Without Sending not being updated because only moderators can do that.  But when an author makes the change, it must be sent, so should get a new date/time as far as positioning.  I encourage users of my groups to edit rather than double post, so this would be very useful to us.  It helps to keep things coherent instead of having multiple short posts in a row by one person.

I believe this was discussed before, but don't remember a decision being made.

Duane


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 08:35 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Often in our group, edits are very minor. And also, often they are saved without sending.
I could see a Save Without Sending not being updated because only moderators can do that.  But when an author makes the change, it must be sent, so should get a new date/time as far as positioning.  I encourage users of my groups to edit rather than double post, so this would be very useful to us.  It helps to keep things coherent instead of having multiple short posts in a row by one person.

I believe this was discussed before, but don't remember a decision being made.

Duane


moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

 

Maybe it could be an option upon editing a message? I can see some (rare, in my group) situations where you might want to treat the edit as a new message in the sense of moving it to the top.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

 

I disagree with this suggestion. Often in our group, edits are very minor. And also, often they are saved without sending. Then the argument might go that you should move it up if it's saved and sent, but again, the edit may be very minor and I would still not like to see this happen. Didn't we have this discussion before and the matter was decided? Am I having deja-vu?


On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:59 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I would like to see a message edit move the topic to the top of the archive list.  It gets sent to those receiving email, but isn't noticeable to those that read online because it doesn't come to the top of the Topics/Messages/Expanded page.

Thanks,
Duane


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Message edit in archive #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 03:59 AM, Duane wrote:
move the topic to the top of the archive list
To clarify, I realize that actual position would depend on the sort order chosen, so an edit should cause the topic/message/expanded to be treated as if a new message had posted.

Thanks again,
Duane


moderated Message edit in archive #suggestion

Duane
 

I would like to see a message edit move the topic to the top of the archive list.  It gets sent to those receiving email, but isn't noticeable to those that read online because it doesn't come to the top of the Topics/Messages/Expanded page.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Question about downloading archives

Duane
 

This really isn't the place for this type of question.  On the home page, it says:
"A group to discuss the Groups.io service and how it can be improved during our beta period. The Groups.io bug and TODO list can be viewed on Trello. Please submit bug reports to support @ groups.io.

For general Groups.io questions, please see the groups Group Managers Forum and the Group_Help group. Note: these groups are volunteer-led and are not officially run by Groups.io."

Duane


moderated Question about downloading archives

Michael Chopra
 

Hi all. I was wondering what the thing meant where it says that you can allow members to download the message archives in settings. Is this available for all groups and how do you do it?
Thanks.
From Michael.


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

 

Awesome. Thanks, Mark!


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:38 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:40 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I'm still wondering about the literal request at the top of this thread, which is to not display the "You have been banned from this group" banner when a banned member tried to log on to a group. Is that compatible with the decision not to notify members when they're banned (unless, of course, a group decides to activate a "banned member" notice)? Could that instead read, "You are not a member of this group"?

This change went out earlier today.

Thanks,
Mark 


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

 

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:40 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I'm still wondering about the literal request at the top of this thread, which is to not display the "You have been banned from this group" banner when a banned member tried to log on to a group. Is that compatible with the decision not to notify members when they're banned (unless, of course, a group decides to activate a "banned member" notice)? Could that instead read, "You are not a member of this group"?

This change went out earlier today.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

 

Mark,

I'm still wondering about the literal request at the top of this thread, which is to not display the "You have been banned from this group" banner when a banned member tried to log on to a group. Is that compatible with the decision not to notify members when they're banned (unless, of course, a group decides to activate a "banned member" notice)? Could that instead read, "You are not a member of this group"?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

 

Mark just informed me that this has now been fixed as well!


On Jul 22, 2019, at 2:26 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Thanks, Mark. I did email you some examples. I think Notes do correctly appear in the Past Members list but didn’t use to. However, Owner Messages currently appear only in the Banned Members list, and not the Past Members list, so you still have to ban a past member of yoh want to see those. Hopefully that can be fixed, too.

Call me
J the Snoop
🐱


On Jul 22, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Well, this topic has unfortunately taken on a life.

I'm not sure how keeping/referring to information about past users could be considered snooping or be in any way illicit. The Past Members list is a feature of premium groups that several people asked for, and seems pretty useful to me. What J has been doing was trying to work around a perceived limitation of the feature. I think that limitation has already been fixed, but I certainly can't fault her for doing what she did and I don't think she was doing anything wrong.

Dano said some things I agree with:

I'm saddened in a way to see how beta has changed in the last year or so. The more I read, the more I hear people trying to tell other people what they should and shouldn't be doing.

This also bums me out. I will definitely take some blame and readily admit that I'm not the best moderator; perhaps I could have steered things better. I would appreciate it if we could turn the group back to a more positive, helpful place.

 
I also read more and more discussions of technical things and the use of terms and acronyms that are undefined in the discussion, which push many non-technical people out of discussions.

I will take some of the blame for this, like my PSPTubes mention earlier today. If I ever use an acronym that isn't clear, please call me on it.

Also, I may not have explicitly said this before, but I will here: If I don't respond to a feature request or a question, please don't read anything into that other than my plate/inbox is overflowing. You can take comfort in knowing that you join an elite group of exceptional people who have not gotten responses from me. Be assured that I do read everything. In light of my not-very-exceptional inbox management skills, feature request bumps every once in awhile are fine.

I think it's important to remember that we all have the same goals here: to make Groups.io better, and to have free donuts on Sundays. Or at least one of those goals. I appreciate and am grateful for the passion in the service that has led all of you to be here.

Thanks,
Mark


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

Holly <holly@...>
 

Mark writes:

<I will take some of the blame for this, like my PSPTubes mention earlier today. If I ever use an acronym that isn't clear, please call me on it.>

Google is our friend, at least in areas such as figuring out terminology. I've googled many terms and acronyms from this list and many others that I didn't understand. Though I have to admit the "tubes" reference had me befuddled for a while until I picked up that it involved YouTube in some way, and in making, I guess, short animations of some sort.

My personal policy is a) google it, and if that doesn't work, b) ask on the list in question. Most people are very happy to share their expertise.

Thank you, Mark, for all you do to make groups.io a roaring - or do I mean rambunctious? :) - success!

Holly


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

 

Thanks, Mark. I did email you some examples. I think Notes do correctly appear in the Past Members list but didn’t use to. However, Owner Messages currently appear only in the Banned Members list, and not the Past Members list, so you still have to ban a past member of yoh want to see those. Hopefully that can be fixed, too.

Call me
J the Snoop
🐱


On Jul 22, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Well, this topic has unfortunately taken on a life.

I'm not sure how keeping/referring to information about past users could be considered snooping or be in any way illicit. The Past Members list is a feature of premium groups that several people asked for, and seems pretty useful to me. What J has been doing was trying to work around a perceived limitation of the feature. I think that limitation has already been fixed, but I certainly can't fault her for doing what she did and I don't think she was doing anything wrong.

Dano said some things I agree with:

I'm saddened in a way to see how beta has changed in the last year or so. The more I read, the more I hear people trying to tell other people what they should and shouldn't be doing.

This also bums me out. I will definitely take some blame and readily admit that I'm not the best moderator; perhaps I could have steered things better. I would appreciate it if we could turn the group back to a more positive, helpful place.

 
I also read more and more discussions of technical things and the use of terms and acronyms that are undefined in the discussion, which push many non-technical people out of discussions.

I will take some of the blame for this, like my PSPTubes mention earlier today. If I ever use an acronym that isn't clear, please call me on it.

Also, I may not have explicitly said this before, but I will here: If I don't respond to a feature request or a question, please don't read anything into that other than my plate/inbox is overflowing. You can take comfort in knowing that you join an elite group of exceptional people who have not gotten responses from me. Be assured that I do read everything. In light of my not-very-exceptional inbox management skills, feature request bumps every once in awhile are fine.

I think it's important to remember that we all have the same goals here: to make Groups.io better, and to have free donuts on Sundays. Or at least one of those goals. I appreciate and am grateful for the passion in the service that has led all of you to be here.

Thanks,
Mark


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

Duane
 

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 04:01 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
You can take comfort in knowing that you join an elite group of exceptional people who have not gotten responses from me.
I always thought I was special, now I know I am!

Many Thanks for all you do, Mark

Duane


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

 

Well, this topic has unfortunately taken on a life.

I'm not sure how keeping/referring to information about past users could be considered snooping or be in any way illicit. The Past Members list is a feature of premium groups that several people asked for, and seems pretty useful to me. What J has been doing was trying to work around a perceived limitation of the feature. I think that limitation has already been fixed, but I certainly can't fault her for doing what she did and I don't think she was doing anything wrong.

Dano said some things I agree with:

I'm saddened in a way to see how beta has changed in the last year or so. The more I read, the more I hear people trying to tell other people what they should and shouldn't be doing.

This also bums me out. I will definitely take some blame and readily admit that I'm not the best moderator; perhaps I could have steered things better. I would appreciate it if we could turn the group back to a more positive, helpful place.

 
I also read more and more discussions of technical things and the use of terms and acronyms that are undefined in the discussion, which push many non-technical people out of discussions.

I will take some of the blame for this, like my PSPTubes mention earlier today. If I ever use an acronym that isn't clear, please call me on it.

Also, I may not have explicitly said this before, but I will here: If I don't respond to a feature request or a question, please don't read anything into that other than my plate/inbox is overflowing. You can take comfort in knowing that you join an elite group of exceptional people who have not gotten responses from me. Be assured that I do read everything. In light of my not-very-exceptional inbox management skills, feature request bumps every once in awhile are fine.

I think it's important to remember that we all have the same goals here: to make Groups.io better, and to have free donuts on Sundays. Or at least one of those goals. I appreciate and am grateful for the passion in the service that has led all of you to be here.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

 

Chris,

I don't know whether or not someone has been banned from a group falls under GDPR protection (although I doubt it does). But regardless of that, "Banned" is a strictly technical state so I don't think the term "actually banned" has any meaning. Either someone was banned, or they weren't. The reason for the banning is irrelevant (and not really judgeable even if one had to be given). 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: banned members notified they're banned when try to log in - I thought this was stopped?

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 02:04 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Actually the question abou GDPR does bring up a good point. The person keeping notes on the members, is that not baking the GDPR?
While not knowing what "baking" the GDPR means I also find myself wondering if storing information about past members is breaching Data Protection Regulations of one sort or another, particularly if it is being done by "banning" them when in fact they weren't actually banned.

It's certainly something I would choose not to do.

Chris

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