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moderated Messages without subject lines

debbie
 

I moved my yahoogroups to groups.io a year and a half ago. It was the best decision for groups ever. They are groups of over 3,000 for our local neighborhood and beyond and I've had people see me in the street or in local businesses thanking me for making the change.

Anyway, to get to the point. I wrote the following about a year ago and would like to bring it up again:

>When we transferred to groups.io, I thought it was the greatest thing when I realized that the system rejects messages without subject lines. In Yahoogroups, I was always rejecting those messages. Otherwise, how would people learn. It was easier to reject than to edit it myself.

>I find that a lot of the messages sent to the owner address here don't have subject lines. Would it be possible to apply that same wonderful feature to the owner address?

Have a good weekend,

Debbie


moderated Re: Edit RSVPs

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:19 AM, Nancy Funk wrote:
Could we please allow group owners & moderators the ability to change RSVPs for members.
This is also something I raised a support ticket (8127) for at the end of January this year and the response I got was:

Mark Fletcher (Groups.io)

Jan 28, 15:45 MST

Andy,

Unfortunately there is currently no way to change RSVPs at the owner level. It's on the TODO list, but I'm not sure when it will happen.

Thanks,
Mark
So until it changes, we are in the same boat as you. It's a feature that could be useful, if we could manage it.

Andy


moderated Re: Fuzzy photos

Andy Wedge
 

FYI,

as Bruce reported on GMF, embedded images are scaled to 640px in the long dimension.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/photos_attached_or_placed_in/31887820

Andy


moderated Re: Proposal: custom role labels

 

Hi,

To clarify: in this context, labels and types are synonymous.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 3:47 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Proposal: custom role labels

 

Hi all,

One of my groups uses a system where one or more users are given special privileges for performing specific tasks. Because these tasks are close to moderator role in privileges, members are flagged as moderators. This leads to a possible confusion where people assume the member is a moderator when in fact they are not.

 

Thus I would like to propose allowing groups to specify a limited number of custom role types. A custom role type is initially based on an existing role (for instance, a moderator) with specific permissions applied. For example, a role of “database manager”, based on “moderator” role, can be given specific permissions on databases only, and an “archivist” can be given specific permissions on archive management without being flagged as a moderator.

 

Given that custom role types might be abused by those who may not know what’s going on, I propose placing certain limits. One possible limit might be that custom role types can only be managed by list owners. Another approach is using similar principles as integration limits – owners of free groups can set a limited number of custom role types, with enterprise groups having unlimited custom role types.

 

Comments are appreciated. Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


moderated Proposal: custom role labels

 

Hi all,

One of my groups uses a system where one or more users are given special privileges for performing specific tasks. Because these tasks are close to moderator role in privileges, members are flagged as moderators. This leads to a possible confusion where people assume the member is a moderator when in fact they are not.

 

Thus I would like to propose allowing groups to specify a limited number of custom role types. A custom role type is initially based on an existing role (for instance, a moderator) with specific permissions applied. For example, a role of “database manager”, based on “moderator” role, can be given specific permissions on databases only, and an “archivist” can be given specific permissions on archive management without being flagged as a moderator.

 

Given that custom role types might be abused by those who may not know what’s going on, I propose placing certain limits. One possible limit might be that custom role types can only be managed by list owners. Another approach is using similar principles as integration limits – owners of free groups can set a limited number of custom role types, with enterprise groups having unlimited custom role types.

 

Comments are appreciated. Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


moderated Re: Please Disable Collapse of Log Entries #suggestion

 

What do you mean by "moderation responses" - are you talking about pending message rejections? Those don't seem to be collapsed.
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Please Disable Collapse of Log Entries #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 09:42 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Seems like the example is only for Direct Adds?
Perhaps so. Invites, too. I haven't tried every possible permutation.

The bottom line is that -- now that we've made it possible to customize invitation text and send one of several Member Notices -- I would like the ability to be able to see exactly which one was sent.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Please Disable Collapse of Log Entries #suggestion

 

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 06:42 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
rejection notices
meaning, rejected messages (which is what I think you mean by "moderation responses"?)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Please Disable Collapse of Log Entries #suggestion

 

Seems like the example is only for Direct Adds? That doesn't happen with rejection notices in my group. I haven't checked invitations or Direct Adds (my Direct Add notices are very short anyway).
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Please Disable Collapse of Log Entries #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

When I view the Activity Log in my main group, all entries initially show up complete, but then the long ones collapse down to two lines of text and an ellipsis. At that point there is no means available to "click open" the entry and read the whole thing.

This seems to occur mostly with invitations or moderation responses; see attached screenshot for some recent examples. I've been unable to determine at exactly how many characters this breakpoint occurs. 

Please provide some means by which log entries can be viewed in their entirety.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Direct Add/Invite/File Sync changes

 

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 03:05 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I am eager for the same changes to be made for Rejected Subscription.
A concrete example in real-time, today: I need to reject a pending subscription sent by someone from a second email address. To do that, I need to go into Member Notices and make "duplicate application" the "active" rejection notice; go back into pending members and reject the subscription' and then go back into Member Notices and either edit that notice to remove the "active" designation, or make a different one the active one. This needs to be done, by hand, every time you reject a subscription. Since rejecting a subscription is under moderator control and not triggered automatically (like leaving a group or applying for membership are), I see no reason for an "active" designation requiring all of these contortions. Just let mods pick the notice at the time they do the action. I think this reasoning applies to all events under moderator control, rather than ones triggered by members requiring a notice to actually go out automatically. There's no need for an automatic, and therefore no need for an "active," notice in these cases.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

 

Gerald,


I was hovering over the group labelled simply "main". The related hover text at the bottom left corner shows the actual group. I don't know if showing only "main" by itself is a bug or if this related to a group owner having an empty description string or such.

Both, I think.

This looks like a case such as Bruce reported, where you are a member of the primary group but none of the subgroups. So the code (now) avoids breaking out a separate line to show the domain.


I also have a couple other groups that show up as main / xxxxxx,

The contributing factor is that the group owner didn't set a Title for the group, unlike these others you cite.

The bug is that the code shows only the primary group's name and not its subdomain. For this case I think the display should be:

subdomain | name / Title

Where the "/ Title" part would be missing if left blank by the group owner.

Shal


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

I agree that we are going back in the right direction. I do see another issue as shown in this screen snip.

I was hovering over the group labelled simply "main". The related hover text at the bottom left corner shows the actual group. I don't know if showing only "main" by itself is a bug or if this related to a group owner having an empty description string or such.

In any case, I can see where there might be a potential for multiple groups having the same string of text. In my case, I also have a couple other groups that show up as main / xxxxxx, so it makes it a bit tricky to scan down the list to find the group you are looking for.




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Gerald


On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 01:27 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
Mark,

> Go to https://groups.io/groups?test=1 ... to see how it looks with
> name / title.

I like that.

One tweak is that it needs truncation at a reasonable width for the row.
Right now an overly long Title text causes the entire page to widen
(horizontal scroll bar) to accommodate the whole text (apparently - I
didn't try a really absurdly long title).

My window (Firefox) switches to mobile format at 770 pixels wide, deduct
the start position of the drop list, and the width of the vertical
scroll bar, and that would be a suitable maximum width for the drop
control -- the vertical scroll would always be available on any display
that shows it (without having to horizontally scroll the page).

I don't know if there are group names out there long enough to make that
ad-hoc width suggestion clip off the entire Title, but I'm tempted to
say that they deserve what they get.

> ... but I know of at least one enterprise group that would need to
> change some of their group titles, as they are basically duplicates of
> the group name.

"Need" might be too strong a word, but if they set those Titles since
last month's change then perhaps they'll be relieved to be able to put
their original Titles back ... ;-)

Shal


moderated Re: Feature Request : Statistic + reSend to Segment - #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

On 15 Jul 2019 at 15:47, Mark Fletcher wrote:

This would require us to insert a tracking pixel into every email, and I
have no plans on doing that. If you need those features, it sounds like
you should be using something like Mailchimp.
Thanks Mark. These tracking pixel things only work if the user's email
client allows display of remote graphics. Many clients block these by
default for spam/advert issues and quite justifiably. Just like most
visitor number tags on websites are blocked by ublock etc and most
hosts file ad blockers. These statistics are meaningless.

Dave


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

 

Mark,

Go to https://groups.io/groups?test=1 ... to see how it looks with
name / title.
I like that.

One tweak is that it needs truncation at a reasonable width for the row. Right now an overly long Title text causes the entire page to widen (horizontal scroll bar) to accommodate the whole text (apparently - I didn't try a really absurdly long title).

My window (Firefox) switches to mobile format at 770 pixels wide, deduct the start position of the drop list, and the width of the vertical scroll bar, and that would be a suitable maximum width for the drop control -- the vertical scroll would always be available on any display that shows it (without having to horizontally scroll the page).

I don't know if there are group names out there long enough to make that ad-hoc width suggestion clip off the entire Title, but I'm tempted to say that they deserve what they get.

... but I know of at least one enterprise group that would need to
change some of their group titles, as they are basically duplicates of
the group name.
"Need" might be too strong a word, but if they set those Titles since last month's change then perhaps they'll be relieved to be able to put their original Titles back ... ;-)

Shal


moderated Re: What's up with my group list?

 

I'll just pick my head up out of the sand and figure out what's up when this is all over. :-)


On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 5:40 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 4:51 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Any main group that has a subgroup is now showing up TWICE on my group list.

Not quite. If you were only subscribed to a main group and no subgroups, the behavior was changed, to be more consistent with how we display other subgroup subscriptions. I have rolled that change back.

Thanks,
Mark 


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: What's up with my group list?

 

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 4:51 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Any main group that has a subgroup is now showing up TWICE on my group list.

Not quite. If you were only subscribed to a main group and no subgroups, the behavior was changed, to be more consistent with how we display other subgroup subscriptions. I have rolled that change back.

Thanks,
Mark 


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 04:39 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
now, suddenly, the home page of a group shows up instead of the messages page
Not only that, but the beta home page looks like a feed page, whereas my other groups' home pages don't. I have idea what's going on any more...
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: What's up with my group list?

 

I'm lost. Can't we just go back to how it was before the change?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated What's up with my group list?

Bruce Bowman
 

Any main group that has a subgroup is now showing up TWICE on my group list.

I *really* don't like that.

Thanks,
Bruce

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