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moderated Re: groups.io being "blacklisted" by windstream.net for "bad reputation"

Duane
 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 12:46 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
That ip is a groups.io ip so it seems that groups.io is blocking output to your member
No, the 'error' is what the user's service is reporting back to groups.io when it rejects a message.

Duane


moderated Re: groups.io being "blacklisted" by windstream.net for "bad reputation"

Bob Bellizzi
 

J,
That ip is a groups.io ip so it seems that groups.io is blocking output to your member, rather than the member's ip doing it.
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moderated Add ability to remove or edit customized Invite text without sending invitations

 

I noticed today that after sending an invitation, any customized Invite text stays there until the next Invite. There is no way to edit or remove the text without sending another Invite. The only workaround currently is to edit the text, enter no email addresses, and hit Send Invitations (resulting in "0 invitations sent" etc..) It's a hack. 

There should be a way to edit the customized text and hit Save, or something. Otherwise, a different moderator from the last one who send an invitation may not realize they're stuck with the old Invite text, and may fail to change it; or maybe it was a one-time invite text that you know you'll never want to use again, and you may want to get rid of it a priori, even before sending another invite, instead of letting it sit there; or you may have included someone's personal info in the Invite that you don't want sitting there; etc.).
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moderated Database Owner #suggestion

Duane
 

I was trying to help troubleshoot a Database problem this morning and realized I didn't see a way to determine the owner of a Database without going to the Activity Log to find who Added Table.  Having this show on the Databases overview page could be helpful.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Email Privacy

 

Mark,

For a true anonymous group to work, even through email, we'd have to
run an anonymizing email forwarder
... I'm not saying we can't do it, but I am saying it's a bit of work.
Perhaps something less than "true" would be less work, and cover most use cases, including Patti's.

I'm imagining that the "anonymous" feature could be available only to groups with Reply To set to "Group" (or "Moderators"). That would eliminate the need for forwarding emails (presuming you also remove the "Reply to Sender" footer link in such groups).

... a special, per individual, groups.io address, ...
I think we'd still want this, but used in the From field, not as a Reply-To. Using a group address for re-written From fields is a mistake Yahoo Groups made (for DMARC support) and it can cause havoc with user's address books and address auto-complete mechanisms. As an individual (yet anonymous) From address it would be acceptable for this to be a no-reply address.

Possibly it could be built as a +member1234 version of the group's email address, where the 1234 would be a number unique to that subscription, such as the number used in the URL for their page in the Members list.

An advantage of forming it this way is that it might be forward compatible with a future forwarding mechanism.

Shal


moderated Re: groups.io being "blacklisted" by windstream.net for "bad reputation"

 

p.s. Mark, I will also send you the specific member activity log at support, in case that helps.
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moderated groups.io being "blacklisted" by windstream.net for "bad reputation"

 

Thought I'd put this out on beta, rather than to support, to let others know: a windstream.net group member of mine is consistently bouncing, with this reason:
"550 5.7.1 [C10] RBL restriction: Blacklisted by Internal Reputation Service - 66.175.222.12"
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moderated Re: Member List Synchronization Automation #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

On 7/4/2019 13:07, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:56 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
What I would like to request is that this be automated because this sorting and such can get very tedious for large groups. Instead, what I would like to see is the ability for the group owner or moderator to upload a CSV (heck, I'd do JSON or even XML) using a special group function and then  the code automatically goes through the membership list dropping those not in the CSV and adding those that are in the CSV and not in the group already.
It's kinda like the existing Slack integration, but in reverse, using the CSV file as the go-between. I would like to have such a feature, as I have similar circumstances. 

Having said that, upon first read I reached the same conclusion that J did...that it provides a work-around to Direct Add, and would thus have to be Premium/Enterprise-only.

Regards,
Bruce
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Yes, the notion of it being a premium is a good one. I personally think it would be a big time saver for a reasonable segment of group owners.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Member List Synchronization Automation #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:56 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
What I would like to request is that this be automated because this sorting and such can get very tedious for large groups. Instead, what I would like to see is the ability for the group owner or moderator to upload a CSV (heck, I'd do JSON or even XML) using a special group function and then  the code automatically goes through the membership list dropping those not in the CSV and adding those that are in the CSV and not in the group already.
It's kinda like the existing Slack integration, but in reverse, using the CSV file as the go-between. I would like to have such a feature, as I have similar circumstances. 

Having said that, upon first read I reached the same conclusion that J did...that it provides a work-around to Direct Add, and would thus have to be Premium/Enterprise-only.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Member List Synchronization Automation #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 07:52 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I guess I just don't find betting helpful 
A conversation about whether or not betting is helpful is equally useless.

it shades toward arguing (against, in your case)
Not at all. I have zero opinion on this and no stake whatsoever in it. I wanted to mention that it would have to be a premium feature because it's direct-add. And to preclude any thought that I have an opinion on it after offering that tidbit, I mentioned specifically that I don't. 

That's it. And I'm now officially done with this. :)
 
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moderated Re: Member List Synchronization Automation #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

On 7/4/2019 07:31, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 07:21 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I would leave likelihood to Mark, no?
I'm not arguing for or against the feature (which Mark has tried to limit here), but simply making a bet that he won't do it. Of course it's his decision! Implementation is always Mark's decision. That's much more than "likelihood" lol. 
 
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J

I guess I just don't find betting helpful in context since it shades toward arguing (against, in your case) and seems to carry a note of discouragement to those proposing new features.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Member List Synchronization Automation #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 07:21 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I would leave likelihood to Mark, no?
I'm not arguing for or against the feature (which Mark has tried to limit here), but simply making a bet that he won't do it. Of course it's his decision! Implementation is always Mark's decision. That's much more than "likelihood" lol. 
 
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moderated Re: Member List Synchronization Automation #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

On 7/4/2019 07:09, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 07:56 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
the code automatically goes through the membership list dropping those not in the CSV and adding those that are in the CSV and not in the group already.
This seems unlikely to be implemented. But if it were, you would at minimum have to have a premium group, because this is essentially direct-adding members.

I would leave likelihood to Mark, no?

But yes, it would absolutely be a premium feature. I think that is a good thing in that when one has a software service at multiple levels, the more things that distinguish the higher levels (like premium) over the lower levels (like basic) makes the higher levels easier to sell.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Member List Synchronization Automation #suggestion

 

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 07:56 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
the code automatically goes through the membership list dropping those not in the CSV and adding those that are in the CSV and not in the group already.
This seems unlikely to be implemented. But if it were, you would at minimum have to have a premium group, because this is essentially direct-adding members.
 
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moderated Member List Synchronization Automation #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

Here the situation for several of the groups I run: in order to be able to join the group, the person must be a member of a particular organization (which one varies by group, of course) and they are only in the group as long as they are a member of the organization. Periodically, due to elections and such, the membership changes fairly dramatically.

I know I can download the group membership as a spreadsheet, do some sorting and comparisons, and then add the new ones and drop the old ones.

What I would like to request is that this be automated because this sorting and such can get very tedious for large groups. Instead, what I would like to see is the ability for the group owner or moderator to upload a CSV (heck, I'd do JSON or even XML) using a special group function and then  the code automatically goes through the membership list dropping those not in the CSV and adding those that are in the CSV and not in the group already.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: photo URLs

 

Could Files also have permalinks? Might that allow images original placed in the Files area to be moved to Photos?
 
Dano
 

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I'd prefer a static URL that is immune to adding/moving/removing photos, but am currently at a loss to propose an effective implementation.

Agreed (see my earlier post in this topic).

Also, a related topic in GMF, Moving pictures, caused me to realize that the Permalink to a photo ought to be independent of album. That way the permalink won't change even if someone moves the photo to another album. 

Moreover, Emailed Photos could have their Permalink established at the time the message is posted, and this would facilitate a future ability to move photos out of the Emailed Photos album. Right now images in the Emailed Photos album appear to have two URLs, the one seen in Emailed Photos is in /photos and one seen in the Message itself is in /attachment.

I think establishing photo Permalinks which are independent of the album in which the photo appears would make access to them much simpler.

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moderated Re: photo URLs

 

Bruce,


I'd prefer a static URL that is immune to adding/moving/removing photos, but am currently at a loss to propose an effective implementation.

Agreed (see my earlier post in this topic).

Also, a related topic in GMF, Moving pictures, caused me to realize that the Permalink to a photo ought to be independent of album. That way the permalink won't change even if someone moves the photo to another album. 

Moreover, Emailed Photos could have their Permalink established at the time the message is posted, and this would facilitate a future ability to move photos out of the Emailed Photos album. Right now images in the Emailed Photos album appear to have two URLs, the one seen in Emailed Photos is in /photos and one seen in the Message itself is in /attachment.

I think establishing photo Permalinks which are independent of the album in which the photo appears would make access to them much simpler.

Shal


moderated Re: photo URLs

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:00 PM, Duane wrote:
The URL now has some extra stuff at the end, starting with ?p= then Created/Name/Taken then more stuff and that seems to find the correct one!
The query string seems to reflect sort order, number of items to display per page (from your account settings), and what number the photo would appear if that sort were applied. Such an approach may work for awhile, but if you add or remove photos from the album, all bets are off.

I'd prefer a static URL that is immune to adding/moving/removing photos, but am currently at a loss to propose an effective implementation.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: photo URLs

 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 09:00 AM, Duane wrote:
Looks like Mark may have changed something already.
Damn, he's too fast for us, even when he's on vacation! :-)
 
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moderated Re: photo URLs

Duane
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:54 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I can't reproduce this. ?
Looks like Mark may have changed something already.  The URL now has some extra stuff at the end, starting with ?p= then Created/Name/Taken then more stuff and that seems to find the correct one!

Duane

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