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moderated Re: Thread merge issue

 

Thank you for the clarification, Bruce. It has only become a problem for me very recently, not as long ago as January.

I have countless members who think that their every thought merits a new thread with a new subject line. Previously I would use my lovely Moderate First Message option, change the subject line to match their existing thread, and lo and behold, their post reached the group and the correct thread and everybody was happy. Now, if I change the subject line to match an existing thread, a new thread is created and I have to go and merge them. Alternatively I have to reject them.

I wonder if it might be possible for threads generated in such circumstances (i.e. first message moderated/subject line altered by mod) to thread automatically into the existing thread, but perhaps that's not feasible.

Thank you.

Helen


moderated Re: restrict #chat hashtag to actual chats #suggestion

 

p.s. This is a meta-use of the tag. It is in my message title only as part of the text of the title, but it is used as a hashtag on the thread. That was unintentional. 
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moderated restrict #chat hashtag to actual chats #suggestion

 

In one of the groups I'm in, people are adding the #chat hashtag to their threads, evidently thinking it means something. There are not even any chats in that group. Could the #chat hashtag be restricted by the system to actual chats, to which it is automatically added anyway? In other words, not let users add the tag to anything they want?
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moderated Re: Add ability to remove or edit customized Invite text without sending invitations

 

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 04:10 AM, Victoria wrote:
And for the many foreign groups it is even worse.
That's a separate issue, with a different problem - comprehensibility, rather than privacy - and a different solution, where groups.io might, at some point in the future, allow the user to choose their language and then print all fixed text in that language. I would not mix the language issue up with the issue of leaving personal messages to invitees lying around indefinitely, with them perhaps being inadvertently sent to the next invitee.

Once I was picking up an Rx at the pharmacy and they accidentally included the last customer's detailed prescription sheet with all their personal info in it. That's more what this issue is akin to. Not the Rx boilerplate being in the wrong language.
 
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moderated Re: Add ability to remove or edit customized Invite text without sending invitations

 

 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 4:18 PM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by template, but however this is fixed, I see the most egregious problem being almost a security or privacy issue. I have never issued an invitation without a personal message included, and it is a bad thing that the message just sits around afterwards. Anyone who issues an invitation may be (in fact, probably is) clueless that the text remains there afterwards. And worse, the next mod to issue an invitation may be clueless that the previous personal message sent with an invitation goes out again by default unless they change it. This is just a bad situation.
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J

 

And for the many foreign groups it is even worse. Even if you write an invitation in their language, the surrounding text is in English, so you have a language mix which is confusing.

Victoria


moderated Re: Fuzzy photos

 

… when they receive a message from the group with a photo attached, the photo is fuzzy.
There is a setting for that. Each group can have a different setting for the resolution of emailed pictures.
I wish this was possible to set in the group defaults as well. It may be when Mark added this he just didn't think about adding it to group subscription defaults at the same time.

Dano


moderated Re: Fuzzy photos

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 09:34 PM, Annick Phillips wrote:
Some of the members of two of my groups are reporting that when they receive a message from the group with a photo attached, the photo is fuzzy. For others of us the photo is coming through just fine. Anyone else experiencing this?
Annick
Annick,

There is a setting for that. Each group can have a different setting for the resolution of emailed pictures. 

Admin > Settings > Max Size In Email              No resizing               Resized to a max of 140x140               Resized to a max of 312x312               Resized to a max of 488x488               Resized to a max of 1024x1024               Resized to a max of 2048x2048               Resized to a max of 4096x4096            

Automatically resize photos that are larger than a specific size in emails.

 
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moderated Fuzzy photos

Annick Phillips
 

Some of the members of two of my groups are reporting that when they receive a message from the group with a photo attached, the photo is fuzzy. For others of us the photo is coming through just fine. Anyone else experiencing this?
Annick


moderated Re: Add ability to remove or edit customized Invite text without sending invitations

 

And yes, I'm remembering that past thread now!
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moderated Re: Add ability to remove or edit customized Invite text without sending invitations

 

In other words, I see it as more than an annoyance.


On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 4:18 PM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by template, but however this is fixed, I see the most egregious problem being almost a security or privacy issue. I have never issued an invitation without a personal message included, and it is a bad thing that the message just sits around afterwards. Anyone who issues an invitation may be (in fact, probably is) clueless that the text remains there afterwards. And worse, the next mod to issue an invitation may be clueless that the previous personal message sent with an invitation goes out again by default unless they change it. This is just a bad situation.
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Add ability to remove or edit customized Invite text without sending invitations

 

I'm not sure what you mean by template, but however this is fixed, I see the most egregious problem being almost a security or privacy issue. I have never issued an invitation without a personal message included, and it is a bad thing that the message just sits around afterwards. Anyone who issues an invitation may be (in fact, probably is) clueless that the text remains there afterwards. And worse, the next mod to issue an invitation may be clueless that the previous personal message sent with an invitation goes out again by default unless they change it. This is just a bad situation.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Add ability to remove or edit customized Invite text without sending invitations

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 01:36 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I noticed today that after sending an invitation, any customized Invite text stays there until the next Invite.
Yep. It's very annoying. See this previous thread on the subject https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/31364206

There is no way to edit or remove the text without sending another Invite. The only workaround currently is to edit the text, enter no email addresses, and hit Send Invitations (resulting in "0 invitations sent" etc..) It's a hack. 
Go into Admin>Settings>Member Notices, open the active one of type Invite, and edit it back the way it was. That's what I do, but I sure wish I didn't have to.

There should be a way to edit the customized text and hit Save, or something. Otherwise, a different moderator from the last one who send an invitation may not realize they're stuck with the old Invite text, and may fail to change it; or maybe it was a one-time invite text that you know you'll never want to use again, and you may want to get rid of it a priori, even before sending another invite, instead of letting it sit there; or you may have included someone's personal info in the Invite that you don't want sitting there; etc.).
It's my preference that Member Notices be treated as message templates. An edit box to customize it prior to sending is all fine and dandy; but any such edit should not affect the template. 

My $0.02,
Bruce


moderated Re: groups.io being "blacklisted" by windstream.net for "bad reputation"

 

(I just deleted my previous version of the message below because I'd forgotten to redact the member's real name. Thanks, Shal.:-)
I just emailed the member offlist using gmail, and got back a bounce message with the same text as above ("does not exist" etc). So she seems to be a lost cause and I've deleted her from the group.
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moderated Re: groups.io being "blacklisted" by windstream.net for "bad reputation"

 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 11:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
the bounce probe I just also bounced
typo, should read "the bounce probe I just sent also bounced"
 
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moderated Re: groups.io being "blacklisted" by windstream.net for "bad reputation"

 

By the way, the bounce probe I just also bounced, with this entry:
550 5.1.1 [R2] Recipient [redacted]@windstream.net does not exist here.

Which makes you think the email address is gone, kaput. However, she has been bouncing on and off for about a year, and at one point, she did respond to a bounce probe and was shown then as "no longer bouncing."

Maybe this is not a windstream-wide issue, but the thing about "reputation" made me wonder. At any rate, I sent the detailed info to support. I have not tried to contact the member yet outside of the system, and may not bother since she has been pretty inactive lately anyway. I just wanted to put in the alert here in case windstream was completely blocking groups.io.

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moderated Re: groups.io being "blacklisted" by windstream.net for "bad reputation"

Duane
 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 12:46 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
That ip is a groups.io ip so it seems that groups.io is blocking output to your member
No, the 'error' is what the user's service is reporting back to groups.io when it rejects a message.

Duane


moderated Re: groups.io being "blacklisted" by windstream.net for "bad reputation"

Bob Bellizzi
 

J,
That ip is a groups.io ip so it seems that groups.io is blocking output to your member, rather than the member's ip doing it.
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Add ability to remove or edit customized Invite text without sending invitations

 

I noticed today that after sending an invitation, any customized Invite text stays there until the next Invite. There is no way to edit or remove the text without sending another Invite. The only workaround currently is to edit the text, enter no email addresses, and hit Send Invitations (resulting in "0 invitations sent" etc..) It's a hack. 

There should be a way to edit the customized text and hit Save, or something. Otherwise, a different moderator from the last one who send an invitation may not realize they're stuck with the old Invite text, and may fail to change it; or maybe it was a one-time invite text that you know you'll never want to use again, and you may want to get rid of it a priori, even before sending another invite, instead of letting it sit there; or you may have included someone's personal info in the Invite that you don't want sitting there; etc.).
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moderated Database Owner #suggestion

Duane
 

I was trying to help troubleshoot a Database problem this morning and realized I didn't see a way to determine the owner of a Database without going to the Activity Log to find who Added Table.  Having this show on the Databases overview page could be helpful.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Email Privacy

 

Mark,

For a true anonymous group to work, even through email, we'd have to
run an anonymizing email forwarder
... I'm not saying we can't do it, but I am saying it's a bit of work.
Perhaps something less than "true" would be less work, and cover most use cases, including Patti's.

I'm imagining that the "anonymous" feature could be available only to groups with Reply To set to "Group" (or "Moderators"). That would eliminate the need for forwarding emails (presuming you also remove the "Reply to Sender" footer link in such groups).

... a special, per individual, groups.io address, ...
I think we'd still want this, but used in the From field, not as a Reply-To. Using a group address for re-written From fields is a mistake Yahoo Groups made (for DMARC support) and it can cause havoc with user's address books and address auto-complete mechanisms. As an individual (yet anonymous) From address it would be acceptable for this to be a no-reply address.

Possibly it could be built as a +member1234 version of the group's email address, where the 1234 would be a number unique to that subscription, such as the number used in the URL for their page in the Members list.

An advantage of forming it this way is that it might be forward compatible with a future forwarding mechanism.

Shal