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moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

 

Well, anyway, my hack seems to solve the problem. :)
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moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Moderators cannot make someone an Owner nor can a Moderator close a group down.
I'm sure we some some other magic powers.  I have yet to figure how to leap over tall buildings in a single bound but I'm working on it
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moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

That sounds to be a rather specific request. What is your list of "moderator permissions" isn't going to be everyone's. That's why there are individual options.

I understand that check-all is not an unusual case for option lists, but based on my experience, I don't think that "all" is going to be used by any significant percentage of groups. If I wanted that, I'd have just made the user a co-owner. In any case, you can ignore this argument if you wish. But I do want to suggest what I think might be a better overall solution.

My suggestion is to instead use another popular option for setting a batch of options. It could be referred to as "Clone User" or "Copy account". In other words, once you have set up one account with all of the permissions that you want, you can select that account for the settings to be copied into another account. If done as a static copy, then you could have the most common settings as the baseline and manually tweak one or more clones as desired.

Another option would be to establish a "baseline" set of permissions for Moderators and use that as the starting point rather than the current list of no permissions.

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On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 09:49 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
So, all of our moderators are uniform and fully empowered in our groups, so it would be nice if there was a click all box for the list of moderator permissions similar to the click all box next to the text Display Name in the member list.

Thanks,

Glenn
 


moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

 

> I just double-checked, and it's possible to have a mod with all permissions who's not classified as "owner." So what is the difference - what does an owner have that a mod with all permissions doesn't have?
>
 
Besides what Donald mentioned, an owner can delete the group.
 
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Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

dave w
 

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 07:30 AM, Geoff Arnold wrote:
Can I resurrect this topic from last year? I got a strong request from several users to have the "Your Groups" dropdown show the Group Titles rather than the email address.
Geoff
No offence but nothing like what I have requested. But thank you for using it anyway...
I have never had email addys present; nor have subgroups.

My request per graphic below is for some customisation for the menu - alternatives to the alpha sort order present. On my 13" Macbook I cant even see/ scroll to the bottom of the menu using cursor. True, I have unsub'd from useless groups and storage copies that took real estate from original request.


I believe this is still a valuable user interface requirement. Surely such  a setting is stored in cookies efficiently?
regards davew


moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 08:29 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
I believe a moderator with all privileges cannot delete an owner.
Not directly, but if they have "Set Moderator Privileges" they can promote themselves to Owner, then remove the other owner.  Maybe that privilege would be the one to withhold?

Duane


moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

J_,

I believe a moderator with all privileges cannot delete an owner.
That's probably the only difference. An owner can delete another
owner.

I guess you could liken a mod with all privileges to a supermoderator
on Yahoo, which is what you have when someone reclaimed a group that
was abandoned by its owner. They wouldn't give full ownership status
because it could be possible that the owner might come back and start
paying attention to what he or she abandoned. Like maybe the owner was
in the hospital for an extended stay and finally got back into their
groups.

Of course, Yahoo doesn't do that now as far as we know. Support is
almost non-existent, and personal support may no longer exist. If it
does, it's hidden away somewhere and you need to know a few tricks to
get the help you need.

Donald

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 18:01:45 -0700, "J_Catlady"
<j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

I just double-checked, and it's possible to have a mod with all permissions who's not classified as "owner." So what is the difference - what does an owner have that a mod with all permissions doesn't have?

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moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

Oh, nicely done.

Great suggestion, thanks.

Best,

Glenn

On 6/24/2019 18:25, J_Catlady wrote:
Actually, according to my test, you could just make them owners (which gives them all permissions) and then change their role to moderators and they keep all the permissions.


On Jun 24, 2019, at 6:23 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Well, that would be the simplest way, if you’re comfortable with the slight difference(s). 


On Jun 24, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:

On 6/24/2019 18:01, J_Catlady wrote:
I just double-checked, and it's possible to have a mod with all permissions who's not classified as "owner." So what is the difference - what does an owner have that a mod with all permissions doesn't have?

If nothing, then perhaps the answer to the request is to just make these mods owners, and for the system to make the equivalence as well - i.e., when you give a mod all permissions, they automatically turn into an owner.

But there must be something that an owner has besides a mod with all permissions and I'm missing something. 
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I think there is a slight difference around group inheritance and the takeover of abandoned groups. But you're right, I hadn't thought of making them owners mostly because I wasn't previously aware that there could be more than one owner.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

 

Actually, according to my test, you could just make them owners (which gives them all permissions) and then change their role to moderators and they keep all the permissions.


On Jun 24, 2019, at 6:23 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Well, that would be the simplest way, if you’re comfortable with the slight difference(s). 


On Jun 24, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:

On 6/24/2019 18:01, J_Catlady wrote:
I just double-checked, and it's possible to have a mod with all permissions who's not classified as "owner." So what is the difference - what does an owner have that a mod with all permissions doesn't have?

If nothing, then perhaps the answer to the request is to just make these mods owners, and for the system to make the equivalence as well - i.e., when you give a mod all permissions, they automatically turn into an owner.

But there must be something that an owner has besides a mod with all permissions and I'm missing something. 
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I think there is a slight difference around group inheritance and the takeover of abandoned groups. But you're right, I hadn't thought of making them owners mostly because I wasn't previously aware that there could be more than one owner.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

 

Well, that would be the simplest way, if you’re comfortable with the slight difference(s). 


On Jun 24, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:

On 6/24/2019 18:01, J_Catlady wrote:
I just double-checked, and it's possible to have a mod with all permissions who's not classified as "owner." So what is the difference - what does an owner have that a mod with all permissions doesn't have?

If nothing, then perhaps the answer to the request is to just make these mods owners, and for the system to make the equivalence as well - i.e., when you give a mod all permissions, they automatically turn into an owner.

But there must be something that an owner has besides a mod with all permissions and I'm missing something. 
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J

I think there is a slight difference around group inheritance and the takeover of abandoned groups. But you're right, I hadn't thought of making them owners mostly because I wasn't previously aware that there could be more than one owner.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

On 6/24/2019 18:01, J_Catlady wrote:
I just double-checked, and it's possible to have a mod with all permissions who's not classified as "owner." So what is the difference - what does an owner have that a mod with all permissions doesn't have?

If nothing, then perhaps the answer to the request is to just make these mods owners, and for the system to make the equivalence as well - i.e., when you give a mod all permissions, they automatically turn into an owner.

But there must be something that an owner has besides a mod with all permissions and I'm missing something. 
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J

I think there is a slight difference around group inheritance and the takeover of abandoned groups. But you're right, I hadn't thought of making them owners mostly because I wasn't previously aware that there could be more than one owner.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

 

I just double-checked, and it's possible to have a mod with all permissions who's not classified as "owner." So what is the difference - what does an owner have that a mod with all permissions doesn't have?

If nothing, then perhaps the answer to the request is to just make these mods owners, and for the system to make the equivalence as well - i.e., when you give a mod all permissions, they automatically turn into an owner.

But there must be something that an owner has besides a mod with all permissions and I'm missing something. 
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Click all box for moderator permissions #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

So, all of our moderators are uniform and fully empowered in our groups, so it would be nice if there was a click all box for the list of moderator permissions similar to the click all box next to the text Display Name in the member list.

Thanks,

Glenn

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Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Geoff Arnold <geoff@...>
 

That would be ideal. 

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On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Duane wrote:
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 04:10 PM, Geoff Arnold wrote:

What we'd like is to see the Group Titles listed when you click the Your Groups dropdown.
I finally figured out what you mean.  Yes, the XXX of the email address for the group is what shows in the drop down.  On all my groups, it's the same as the Group Title, so it took me awhile to notice.  Some groups I'm on have no Title for the group/subgroups, so it couldn't be cast in stone.  Maybe show the Title if one exists or the XXX of the email address if it doesn't?

Duane


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 04:10 PM, Geoff Arnold wrote:
What we'd like is to see the Group Titles listed when you click the Your Groups dropdown.
I finally figured out what you mean.  Yes, the XXX of the email address for the group is what shows in the drop down.  On all my groups, it's the same as the Group Title, so it took me awhile to notice.  Some groups I'm on have no Title for the group/subgroups, so it couldn't be cast in stone.  Maybe show the Title if one exists or the XXX of the email address if it doesn't?

Duane


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Barry_M
 

Same as Duane.  I think you mean the topmost bar which appears irrespective of page?  Screenshot attached.  Not sure about "next to my account name" since it doesn't appear that way to me.  But, it is a dropdown and, as with others, mine shows group names rather than email addresses.  

Barry


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Geoff Arnold <geoff@...>
 

My main group and all subgroups have both an email address (XXX@MYDOMAIN) and a Group Title. (I use subgroup categories.)

If I go to main, and choose Subgroups from the sidebar, I see all of the subgroups listed . For each, I see the email (i.e. the XXX), the Group Title, and the subgroup category.

If I click the Your Groups dropdown in the title bar (next to my account name), I see a list of emails (i.e. the XXX), with "Manage my subscriptions" at the bottom of the list.

What we'd like is to see the Group Titles listed when you click the Your Groups dropdown.

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Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 02:30 PM, Geoff Arnold wrote:
I got a strong request from several users to have the "Your Groups" dropdown show the Group Titles rather than the email address.
Mine does show the group names, not an email address.  If there are subgroups, they're shown under the main group name.  Have you got a name assigned to the groups?

Duane


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Geoff Arnold <geoff@...>
 

Can I resurrect this topic from last year? I got a strong request from several users to have the "Your Groups" dropdown show the Group Titles rather than the email address. Our domains tend to be lengthy, so people like short email names - which is fine until you have to remember which is which.

Geoff


moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

Michael Pavan
 

I'd even go so far as to suggest that the "Owner" (or "Moderator") badge on the Home button become the user interface for this. Someone with Owner (or Moderator) role would see that say "Member" initially. But it would have a drop-down or other means to select their elevated role. This same means can be used to switch back.
I would suggest that in the left hand column where it says "Home" and the "Owner" badge, that there also be badges for "Member", and "Moderator" (if also a Mod). The active badge would be in color, the other(s) would be greyed out.

Toggling 'Role' (Owner, Member, or Moderator) would be accomplished from clicking on the desired role badge - no 'page jumping should occur, only the page view should change to that of the chosen role.

I think I like having the "Member" view as the default, but a control in Settings should also be added to set "Role View default".




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