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moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 12:26 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
This boils down to Moderator View / Member View not being "binary";
Good point. Although I hate to model anything on FB, what about a "view as" feature, where you'd specify the member you're viewing as.
 
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moderated Re: Pending subscription message now including location/other info

 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 09:50 AM, Helen wrote:
it should be made clear to applicants that this information is being sent to group mods.
Isn't this standard for many websites? People understand that their browser info and IP address are available when they apply to various things.

I personally don't care about the location or their OS, but I think having their IP address is crucial. We get spammers who pretend not to be spammers by responding to the pending questionnaire with reasonable-sounding answers. Sometimes these are disgruntled former members who've been banned from the group. There was one such former member who took it upon herself to save all the emails of group members and send out a several-page-long email blast to them about the group and how she'd been unfairly banned. She then sent me an email saying she had several other accounts in my group, under other email addresses, and I'd never find her. She proved it by quoting some of the messages that posted after she'd been banned. 

So I would like to know everyone's IP address at a minimum. Since some people have multiple IP addresses, it would be helpful as backup to also have the geographical info available.
 
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moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 02:31 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
I too often forget that the members see something different, and I'm not always certain what is different and what is not. I would suggest a prompt on the screen to indicate non-moderator mode when it's turned on.
Sadly it isn't quite that straightforward. Looking first at Files and Photos all moderators see the same thing, but what a member sees depends on whether or not the File or Photo (Album) is one they they themselves created or if it is one created by someone else.
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This boils down to Moderator View / Member View not being "binary"; there are subtle  variations within Member View meaning that a toggle between the 2 states wouldn't work for the simple reason that there are more than two states.
 
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You're making this much more complicated than it need to be. First, in all cases I'm referring to, I'm the group owner or have all moderator permissions. Let's just simplify it to that. The issue isn't so much what a moderator has permission to do anyway. Moderators run into blocks on their authority if they try to do something they're not supposed to and should understand they have limitations. I'm referring to the owner or anyone the owner tasks with and provides authority for doing certain things. I don't see that this is really much different than any other moderator tool. It lets someone who has done something to a page or post see what the typical members see. They're not trying to be another member - in fact this simply needs to see what a basic unspecified member sees.
 
Dano


moderated Re: Pending subscription message now including location/other info

Duane
 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:50 AM, Helen wrote:
I find this grossly intrusive. I can see where people are to the nearest small town, which may be helpful for local associations, but which for my international groups is frankly irrelevant. And their OS is their business, not mine. For certain groups (e.g. certain heath issues), this could even put people off joining.

I vet people via the requirement to respond to a questionnaire, which works just fine. Any way to turn this intrusive monitoring off please?

If it must be on, it should be made clear to applicants that this information is being sent to group mods.
Most, if not all, of this information can be garnered from many email headers, just takes a little more digging.  Since only Owners (or moderators with sufficient permission) will see this, I don't understand how it is intrusive.  According to the original post by Mark, even if it were removed from the online headers, it would still be on record at Groups.io as a source of troubleshooting and security.  I actually like being able to see it, though I seldom look.

Duane


moderated Re: Pending subscription message now including location/other info

 

I find this grossly intrusive. I can see where people are to the nearest small town, which may be helpful for local associations, but which for my international groups is frankly irrelevant. And their OS is their business, not mine. For certain groups (e.g. certain heath issues), this could even put people off joining.

I vet people via the requirement to respond to a questionnaire, which works just fine. Any way to turn this intrusive monitoring off please?

If it must be on, it should be made clear to applicants that this information is being sent to group mods.

Helen


moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 02:31 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
I too often forget that the members see something different, and I'm not always certain what is different and what is not. I would suggest a prompt on the screen to indicate non-moderator mode when it's turned on.
Sadly it isn't quite that straightforward. Looking first at Files and Photos all moderators see the same thing, but what a member sees depends on whether or not the File or Photo (Album) is one they they themselves created or if it is one created by someone else. There is a further subdivision within Photo Albums because an album's creator can predetermine whether others can upload to the same album or not. (As an aside a moderator can change that anyway!)

This boils down to Moderator View / Member View not being "binary"; there are subtle  variations within Member View meaning that a toggle between the 2 states wouldn't work for the simple reason that there are more than two states.

Although strictly speaking this is outside the original query, what Moderator "A" sees in any given group may differ from what Moderator "B" sees in the same group. These differences are a function of the the greoup Owner has allocated to each of them as Moderator Permissions; the result is that 2 moderators in the same group trying to sort something out in the absence of the owner (who by definition has every permission, and knows what permissions he gave to each moderator) may struggle if their permissions are different; what each will see, and what each can actually do is not the same. As in the case above a toggle between Moderator View and Member View may not by definition provide a complete picture.

I think a step back from a specific request to Mark might be in order.

Chris


moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

 

Hi,
Just adding up to this request. It would be really useful for me as well.

How many of us are requesting for something like that right now? I hope we'll get our wish answered :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.


moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 06:47 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Presumably that also means you don't often need this feature.
That's a wrong conclusion. Plus it depends on what you mean by "need."
 
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moderated Hashtag presentation

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Like what you do on hashtags presentation.

To this page https://beta.groups.io/g/main/hashtags possibly to sort by popularity.

Possibility to filtered topics with 2 or more hashtags.

Thanks!

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moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 10:16 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 07:58 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
This is a very common request with a relatively simple solution. Create another subscription
But the more recent requests include not having to go through the trouble of creating another subscription in order to see a non-moderator view of the group. I've had several non-mod accounts to view my groups for years, but rarely use them because I've actually got to go into those email addresses (which I barely remember the passwords for), etc. Would be much better to have a "view as non-moderator" feature.
 
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Presumably that also means you don't often need this feature. That is probably OK for someone with a lot of experience with the system. I also find that there are less and less occasions that I need to use the non-moderator account. The way I take advantage of the additional account is that I log in on another browser altogether. That way, I can have my cake and eat it too.
 
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moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

 

This feature would be very helpful for me as well. I too often forget that the members see something different, and I'm not always certain what is different and what is not. I would suggest a prompt on the screen to indicate non-moderator mode when it's turned on.
Dano
 
> > This is a very common request with a relatively simple solution. Create another subscription
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> But the more recent requests include not having to go through the trouble of creating another subscription in order to see a non-moderator view of the group. I've had several non-mod accounts to view my groups for years, but rarely use them because I've actually got to go [log] into those [accounts] (which I barely remember the passwords for), etc. Would be much better to have a "view as non-moderator" feature.
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moderated Re: Display date of update for Member Notices

Lily Yapp
 

I see that my wish is granted, as listed in this week's Site Updates:
CHANGE: Show the updated date in the member notices view instead of the created date.
Thanks Mark!


moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 06:16 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I've actually got to go into those email addresses
More accurately, I've actually got to log into those accounts
 
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moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 07:58 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
This is a very common request with a relatively simple solution. Create another subscription
But the more recent requests include not having to go through the trouble of creating another subscription in order to see a non-moderator view of the group. I've had several non-mod accounts to view my groups for years, but rarely use them because I've actually got to go into those email addresses (which I barely remember the passwords for), etc. Would be much better to have a "view as non-moderator" feature.
 
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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: In some instances, all day events were displayed on the calendar as lasting a day longer than scheduled. Also, all all day events were displayed with a time, which didn't make sense.
  • BUGFIX: In some instances with a repeating event, it was not possible to check the 'Send Notice To Group When Event Happens' checkbox and have it saved properly.
  • BUGFIX: Direct add activity log entries were not showing up in the member's activity log section. This fix only applies to new log entries; previous direct adds will still not show up in the member's activity log.
  • NEW: For domains hosted by Mimecast: if a message from one of those domains is sent to another user on that same domain, we now re-write the From line, to hopefully stop tripping a bounce.
  • CHANGE: Show the updated date in the member notices view instead of the created date.
  • API: Many navigation improvements and other cleanups of the API docs.
  • CHANGE: All links in messages now open in new tabs.
  • CHANGE: Default sort order for columns is a-z, or largest to smallest, or most recent to oldest, as appropriate.
  • BUGFIX: For certain replies to messages that already contained a signature, we would display both signatures outside of the collapsed text when we should only display the last signature.
  • BUGFIX: For certain HTML replies to messages, we would not show the signature outside of the collapsed text.
  • BUGFIX: In certain situations, when doing a bulk remove of members, we would report 'Other Error' for someone who was not a subscriber.
  • API: The sidebar for the api docs is now scrollable for easier navigation.
  • API: New /getevents endpoint.
  • CHANGE: Various feed view improvements to hashtags and events.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:30 PM, jslcanuck wrote:
What if I want to return to normal
privileges to test stuff - is the only way to create a separate account?

This is a very common request with a relatively simple solution. Create another subscription to the group as a mere mortal using another account (email address). This becomes your test account. As you said, you have already considered that.

However, even better, create another test group specifically for playing around, again using multiple accounts with differing permissions to test out theories, etc. This has the advantage of not filling up the real group with test messages. Likewise, you can test out settings changes without fear of making a mess on the live group.

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moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

jslcanuck
 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 12:43 PM, Duane wrote:

It seems like it basically works that way now, as long as you give permission
for members to upload (and not just moderators/owners).  It's similar to
Photos in that only the 'owner' of the file or a moderator can change it.
Hmmm. Now you've got me thinking that the only problem is that I'm seeing a
problem where there's no problem. See, now that I'm a mod I've forgotten what
it's like to be a mere mortal and I'm assuming that the users have the ability to
modify files I've uploaded. What you're telling me is that they don't. So this
actually leads us to a different question.

All us grownups know of the evils of (logging in and) working as root, or of su'ing
and just going about one's daily business, so the good admins drill into us that we
should sudo instead, for an assortment of good reasons. Makes me wonder now
whether there should be a mod-do, or a way of operating as a normal user and only
stepping up to mod privileges when needed. Being shifted permanently from an
ordinary user to a mod is kind of inflexible. What if I want to return to normal
privileges to test stuff - is the only way to create a separate account?


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

Duane
 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 04:55 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I am still confused on what the "Delivery" sort is based on.
It's the digit that is stored as part of their record in the group database.  If you export your members list, you'll see them there.  "Email Delivery(0=Single,1=Plain Digest,2=Special,3=None,4=Full Digest,5=Summary)"

Duane


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Mark,

Thanks for the update and clarification.

I am still confused on what the "Delivery" sort is based on. Possibly last character of string? For example, when clicking on the Delivery column, I see the order as follows: Single / Special / No Email / Full Digest / Summary

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moderated Re: include "direct added" in member activity #suggestion

 

Mark,
Great, thanks! (I would not expect old activities to be retroactively added.:)
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