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moderated Re: Controlling rw permissions (files section)

 

I’ve requested/suggested the same thing in the past. It would make my life a lot easier. I’d like to allow group members to upload their own cats’ lab reports, but not touch our informational / educational files, etc.

On Jun 21, 2019, at 11:57 AM, jslcanuck <jonathan.canuck.levine@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi - first time offering a suggestion, please be gentle.

I find myself wanting a little rw permission control in the files section of our group. File-level granularity would be great,
but I could probably live with folder/directory-level control. Has the question simply never come up, or is there a reason
for not implementing it?

Thanks.

Jonathan


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moderated Controlling rw permissions (files section)

jslcanuck
 

Hi - first time offering a suggestion, please be gentle.

I find myself wanting a little rw permission control in the files section of our group. File-level granularity would be great,
but I could probably live with folder/directory-level control. Has the question simply never come up, or is there a reason
for not implementing it?

Thanks.

Jonathan


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

Hi All,

Without some reasonable amount of work, I can't make it so individual columns remember their settings. The problem is that when sorting in a database, sorting most recent first on a number (ie date) corresponds to sorting from z to a on a string. I'm sorting the same 'direction' according to the database, but it looks like the opposite to you.

I've made the following change on the members page. If it's at least sufficient for now, I'll propagate it elsewhere. Now all columns default to a-z sorting, except Joined, which defaults to most recent first. This is almost the same as when we started this quest two days ago, but at least the default sort is more appropriate per column. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:30 AM, Andy W wrote:
I agree with the steps you execute and the results you see, but that still boils down to the fact that the initial click on a column heading (after arriving at the member list or after sorting by another column) sorts the list in reverse alpha (Z-A). 
Exactly, just tested this and Andy took the words right out of my mouth. This is still just the original problem (or "sin" ;)
 
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moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Shal,

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 06:16 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Is that what you expected and want? Not me.
I agree with the steps you execute and the results you see, but that still boils down to the fact that the initial click on a column heading (after arriving at the member list or after sorting by another column) sorts the list in reverse alpha (Z-A).  All we have asked for is that it sorts A-Z.

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

J,


Wow, that would be astonishing, alright. I don't even understand how this is conceivable. The table is ordered by one column at a time. I must be misunderstanding you.

Wow. Now I'm astonished for an entirely different reason.  ;-)

Let me try again:
1) You go to the Members list of your group.
2) You click on the Email column header.
3) You want it alphabetical, so you click on it again if necessary.
4) You decide to look by Applied/Joined, so you click on that column heading.
5) You want to see most recent first, so you click again if necessary.
6) Now you click back on the Email column header.
7) You observe that it has flipped over to reverse alphabetical order.

Is that what you expected and want? Not me. I think it is astonishing and undesirable that something I did to the direction of the Applied/Joined column changed the direction of the Email column when I switch back to it.

If you're still confused, do the steps again, but this time at step 5 leave the Applied/Joined column oldest first. Now what do you see at step 7?

Shal


moderated Display date of update for Member Notices

Lily Yapp
 

Currently, the Member Notices (under Settings) are displayed with the date of creation, e.g. I've created a Welcome notice two years ago, and have updated it several times, but it is showing the date when it was first created. However, I prefer to know when a notice was last updated. Would it be better if it's changed to display the date of last update in the "Date" column?

Thank you.
Lily


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 04:38 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The table is ordered by one column at a time. I must be misunderstanding you.
My thoughts exactly.

Andy


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 08:10 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
As of last night's test the astonishing (to me) answer was "the other columns copy the ordering of the column you changed".
Wow, that would be astonishing, alright. I don't even understand how this is conceivable. The table is ordered by one column at a time. I must be misunderstanding you.
 
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moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

Gerald,


Life gets more complicated depending on how many sub-levels one wants to incorporate for breaking ties in the primary column.

Preserving the prior order within ties on the current sort field is sometimes a very handy feature. Not that ties are very likely in the Members list -- impossible by construction in the Email column, unlikely too in the Joined/Applied column unless you Direct Add a bunch of members and the system applies the same exact time to all.

Shal


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

Andy,


I don't see this. If I go to a member list, the default order is the most recent join/applied entries at the top of the list.

You would only see it if you had taken the three steps I outlined.

I'm not talking about any default condition, I'm talking about what happens to the order of other columns (when you click there) after you change the order of a given column. I want the answer to be "the other columns retain whatever order you last saw them in". As of last night's test the astonishing (to me) answer was "the other columns copy the ordering of the column you changed".
Shal


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 07:18 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Correct. The date column is ordered by reverse chrono.
Well, unless Shal is seeing something relating to Mark's latest fix that we haven't yet seen.
 
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moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 07:17 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
chrono (not reverse chrono) for the alpha columns.
typo: I meant "alpha (not reverse alpha) for the alpha columns"
 
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moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 01:50 AM, Andy W wrote:
As it is now, Joined/Applied has mysteriously switched to oldest first.
I don't see this. If I go to a member list, the default order is the most recent join/applied entries at the top of the list.
Correct. The date column is ordered by reverse chrono.
 
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moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 06:17 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
To summarize further, one click to change to sort of a different column. Further clicks on the active column will toggle the sort direction for that column, and hence the table as well.
Exactly. And with the change of column, you would use *that column's* default sort order - i.e.: reverse only for the date ("Joined") column, but chrono (not reverse chrono) for the alpha columns.
 
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moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 05:50 AM, Andy W wrote:
Hi Shal,

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 05:10 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
As it is now, Joined/Applied has mysteriously switched to oldest first.
I don't see this. If I go to a member list, the default order is the most recent join/applied entries at the top of the list.
What I want is for each column to retain its own direction, independent of changing the direction of any other other column.
Agreed.  If I click the Display Name, Email or Delivery column headings, the list is sorted in reverse alpha (Z-A). All we have asked for is that to be the other way around (A-Z) to start with and if the column heading is clicked for a second time, it goes Z-A.

Regards,
Andy
I agree with what Shal said about each column remembering its own direction. That resolves the issue of the "to start with" quandary. It will be whatever you left it at last. What it starts out at is immaterial.

To summarize further, one click to change to sort of a different column. Further clicks on the active column will toggle the sort direction for that column, and hence the table as well.

Life gets more complicated depending on how many sub-levels one wants to incorporate for breaking ties in the primary column. Ideally, it might be all columns with the last used column being the secondary key and next last used column, the next key and so on. In reality, probably one sub-column sub-level should be enough.
 
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moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Shal,

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 05:10 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
As it is now, Joined/Applied has mysteriously switched to oldest first.
I don't see this. If I go to a member list, the default order is the most recent join/applied entries at the top of the list.
What I want is for each column to retain its own direction, independent of changing the direction of any other other column.
Agreed.  If I click the Display Name, Email or Delivery column headings, the list is sorted in reverse alpha (Z-A). All we have asked for is that to be the other way around (A-Z) to start with and if the column heading is clicked for a second time, it goes Z-A.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

Mark,

I go to the Members page. It defaults to sorted by Joined, most recent
first. I then click on any other column header. And it retains the
existing sort direction. ... Is that not what you asked for?
No. At least, it is not what I would want.

That is,

1) starting with Joined/Applied most recent first,
2) I click Email and change it to alphabetical,
3) I click back to Joined/Applied.

As it is now, Joined/Applied has mysteriously switched to oldest first. (Ok, not mysterious: you copied the direction from the email column.) I think it is a violation of least astonishment - in what way is a member's Joined/Applied date connected to his/her email address? Why would changing the order of one change the order of the other?

What I want is for each column to retain its own direction, independent of changing the direction of any other other column.

Shal


moderated Re: Web-only group #suggestion

 

I really didn't want to go the build a web site route if I didn't have to (been there, done that) as so many people are already comfortable with this format but it looks like that's what I'll be doing. 
Nice summary - thank you.

Patti in AZ


moderated Re: fix toggling of alpha column-order vs which column ordered by #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 01:32 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Not what we want.
As in "royal we" :-)
 
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