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moderated Re: New feature: donations

Marv Waschke
 

I don't think any of my groups are likely to use a donations service, but I think about it like this: every service is paid for in some way. Free Google services are paid for by scanning searches and contents in order to charge for targeted ads. Facebook is paid for in a similar way. These methods of payment are rather secretive. Not everyone even realizes how they pay for Google, Facebook, and a host of other "free" services. Even fewer have any idea to whom data on their habits are sold and how much it is sold for. I prefer visible payments: I want to know what is sold, to whom, and for how much. With most "free" services, the business is hazy, to say the least. Groups.io keeps its business transparent: fees for premium service and now a percentage on donation services. A transparent model that I like that very much.

Is 20% high? I don't know because I am not sure what other similar services do in addition to taking a percentage. I am more concerned that Mark may not be charging enough because I like Groups.io and don't want it to dry up and blow away for lack of funding.
Best, Marv


moderated Re: New feature: donations

 

On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 04:24 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
GoFundMe starts at 10%
That would be a better model, since GoFundMe, like the situation here, applies to donations. That's closer to Mark's 20%.
 
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moderated Re: New feature: donations

Holly <holly@...>
 

Is it amazing if Mark wants to help fund this service using Stripe (never heard of that before his post) many of us enjoy for free? And, compared to any of the 3 list services and 1 majordomo experience I've had over the last 25 years, not to mention running various lists as simply email I managed and sent out by hand, I'm personally blown away by Mark's dedication and service.

I'm not at this point in a position or need to upgrade to Premium, but I would in a heartbeat if I could. Yeah, I know, everyone using a free service says that - I should put my money where my mouth is. But my list is small (under 100) and I can't see asking for the members to donate enough to cover the cost of going Premium so it would be all out of my pocket, and that pocket isn't very deep.

Way to go, Mark! I can't believe your dedication to the functionality of groups.io. Thank you!

Holly


moderated Re: New feature: donations

Bob Bellizzi
 

In any event, it's not an issue for us.  Our Primary donor input is through Paypal and our shopping cart and we try to make all charitable money sharks available to anyone who wants to use them no matter the fee because nonprofits should never turn a donor away unless they have a legal or moral objection to the donor.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: New feature: donations

 

Hey, maybe it was a typo and was supposed to be 2%, not 20%?


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:05 PM Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:
On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 08:24 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
Stripe looks pretty steep to me
Stripe itself is also 2.9% plus $0.30 per transaction.  https://stripe.com/pricing
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: New feature: donations

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 08:24 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
Stripe looks pretty steep to me
Stripe itself is also 2.9% plus $0.30 per transaction.  https://stripe.com/pricing
 
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Gerald


moderated Re: New feature: donations

Bob Bellizzi
 

PayPal takes 2.9% + 30 cents for normal stuff.  for nonprofits it's 2.2% + 30 cents.
this would be the charges for normal customers
Amt$ PayPal     Stripe  
  Cut Net   cut net
2 0.36 1.64   0.40 1.60
5 0.45 4.56   1.00 4.00
10 0.59 9.41   2.00 8.00
20 0.88 19.12   4.00 16.00
50 1.75 48.25   10.00 40.00
100 3.20 96.80   20.00 80.00

Nonprofit would be .7% less cut for PayPal
Amt$ PayPal     Stripe  
  Cut Net   cut net
2 0.34 1.66   0.40 1.60
5 0.41 4.59   1.00 4.00
10 0.52 9.48   2.00 8.00
20 0.74 19.26   4.00 16.00
50 1.40 48.60   10.00 40.00
100 2.50 97.50   20.00 80.00
Stripe looks pretty steep to me
GoFundMe starts at 10% and  Mightycause (ex Razoo) was only 6% last I checked.

Possibly I missed something from Mark?


Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: New feature: donations

 

It sounded steep to me at first, until I realized that (presumably?) most of the donations will probably be very small amounts. So, like, Paypal takes much less than 20%, but presumably from reasonably large amounts, consisting of payment for services, so their cut amounts to more than a few cents. If groups.io were to take the 3 or 4 % (I forget which) that Paypal takes, it would probably amount to virtually nothing.


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 1:24 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 04:08 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The Groups.io processing fee is 20%
Isn't that a little steep?  Or is it just me?

Duane


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: New feature: donations

Duane
 

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 04:08 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The Groups.io processing fee is 20%
Isn't that a little steep?  Or is it just me?

Duane


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • CHANGE: For events added by email, we consider events up to one year from now (the previous limit was 30 days).
  • BUGFIX: Fixed the name of the subgroup in the activity log message for creating a subgroup.
  • NEW: Premium groups can now ask for and accept donations.
  • INTERNAL: Removed TLS 1.0 support on the webservers.
  • BUGFIX: Fix links to wiki pages in the /feed page.
  • NEW: Automatically update credit card info when we're notified someone's credit card is updated by Stripe.
  • BUGFIX: Changes to a pending member (like Display Name) were not saved when approving the pending member if the pending member was also being confirmed at the same time.
  • BUGFIX: The API endpoint /getmembers was ignoring the type parameter.
  • BUGFIX: Fix links to subscribed-to subgroups on the /static/welcome page for enterprise groups.
  • INTERNAL: Upgraded to latest version of Go compiler.
  • BUGFIX: Events weren't being exported in the group export system.
  • BUGFIX: API docs had quotes around numbers and bools in the examples that should not have been there.
  • BUGFIX: The API endpoint /updatesub wasn't accepting sub_id when it should have.
  • BUGFIX: Cancelling the one month downgrade before it happened didn't actually stop the downgrade from happening.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated New feature: donations

 

Hi All,

I have just rolled out the ability for premium groups to request donations from their members. There's a new Donations tab under the Admin sidebar menu, where you can create and manage donation requests. Groups that have open donation requests will see a new Donations tab in the normal group sidebar where members can view open donation requests.

Here is the text you see when you go to the Admin Donations page for the first time:

  • We use Stripe.com to accept credit card payments. In order to accept donations, you will need to have a Stripe account.
  • Clicking the Connect with Stripe button will take you to a page to create a new Stripe account or connect an existing Stripe account. Stripe accounts are free.
  • Once you've connected a Stripe account, you will be able to create donation requests and your members will be able to donate using a credit card.
  • The Groups.io processing fee is 20%, which includes all credit card processing fees.
  • When you create a donation request, it is considered open, which means that members can submit donations. You can close donations when they are complete.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions for improvements.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Auto-Converting Prefixs to Hastags

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Some message of my group (old Y!G…) use prefix for hashtag to the subject.

For example "[Proxy] Victory Force Blog Site - Samurai Warrior Heroes" could convert to "Victory Force Blog Site - Samurai Warrior Heroes #Proxy"

Possibility to have function to automaticaly change it?


moderated Re: Database instructions - wishlist

Milt Baker
 

Great information, Drew and Peter.  Just what I needed!

I shoulda known that Groups.io had been down that road before me.

Many thanks,

Milt


moderated Re: Database instructions - wishlist

Peter Rawbone
 

This is what we've included:
"This is where Members add or update their info - some cells are required and in others it is up to the individual to decide.
To sort a column, just click its heading - magic, or what?!
To scroll across the page, select any cell and use the cursor keys to move to more cells.  Tablet users can just swipe!
New Members:
  • With the table open, to add your details, click the GREEN 'Add Row' button towards the bottom of the list.  When complete don't forget to click the Save Row button!
Existing Members:
  • To update your entry, enter your name into the search box (upper right).  A single line with some of your details will appear.  If there are some ‘??’s in some sections, select Edit, please delete them and insert the appropriate information, when finished, click the Update button.
  • If you find that you have duplicate entries, tick the box adjoining the row you don't want to keep and press the Delete Row button, then click the Update button."
To date, it seems to have worked(!) and you're welcome to copy it if you wish.

Regards
Peter


moderated Re: Database instructions - wishlist

Drew
 

You can include your own instructions at the top of the db table; just edit the Description field. See attached jpg.

Drew

On 05/02/19 11:05, Milt Baker wrote:
When one opens a Groups.io database, there are no instructions at the top telling a member how to add a new record.  That seems to have kept a lot of our members from adding to the databases in the groups I moderate.  Moreover, the "Add Row" button isn't intuitive to non-programmers and it in the wrong location.
Recommendation - Add the following to the Groups.io wishlist:
Create a new "Add New Record" button at the *top* of the database to replace the current "Add Row" button at the bottom of the database.
To illustrate the problem, following is an exchange with one of my new members on the subject.
Thanks,
Milt Baker, owner/chief moderator, Nordhavn Owners Group (NOG)



Hi milt,

I am trying to add my info about N5276, however when I click on the link
you provided, it gives me a list of owners. I can edit the database (scary
thing to allow users to do), however I can’t see a spot to add info.

Thanks
Kenn & Kim Morrison
N5276

Sent from my iPhone

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On May 2, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Milt Baker < miltbaker47@gmail.com > wrote:


Kenn,
I admit that creating a new record in the Groups.io ( http://groups.io/ )
database is not very intuitive!  That's probably scared off more than a
few people off.
Actually, adding your information is really quite simple.  Here's how to
do it:
Once you get to the Nordhavn Owners Group Members database, scroll to the
bottom and click on the red box that says *+ Add Row * which is Groups.io (
http://groups.io/ ) -speak for create a new database record.   Then a
series of labeled blank boxes will pop up, so just go ahead and enter your
information for each blank box.  Not all boxes require answers, but we
recommend that you provide information in every box.  Once you've done
that, you can add a picture of yourself and your mate and one of your
boat.  Once you've done that, be sure to click on the *+ Save Row* box to
save the information,
Easy-peasy!
Good luck,
Milt
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Kenn Morrison
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10:43 AM (19 minutes ago)
to me
Hi milt,
Done and thanks for the quick response.
Thanks again for all you do for the group.
Thanks
Kenn



moderated Database instructions - wishlist

Milt Baker
 

When one opens a Groups.io database, there are no instructions at the top telling a member how to add a new record.  That seems to have kept a lot of our members from adding to the databases in the groups I moderate.  Moreover, the "Add Row" button isn't intuitive to non-programmers and it in the wrong location.

Recommendation - Add the following to the Groups.io wishlist:

Create a new "Add New Record" button at the top of the database to replace the current "Add Row" button at the bottom of the database.

To illustrate the problem, following is an exchange with one of my new members on the subject.

Thanks,

Milt Baker, owner/chief moderator, Nordhavn Owners Group (NOG)


Hi milt,

I am trying to add my info about N5276, however when I click on the link you provided, it gives me a list of owners. I can edit the database (scary thing to allow users to do), however I can’t see a spot to add info.

Thanks
Kenn & Kim Morrison 
N5276


Re: NOG
 
 
Inbox
x
 
 
 
 

On May 2, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Milt Baker <miltbaker47@...> wrote:

Kenn,
 
I admit that creating a new record in the Groups.io database is not very intuitive!  That's probably scared off more than a few people off. 
 
Actually, adding your information is really quite simple.  Here's how to do it:
 
Once you get to the Nordhavn Owners Group Members database, scroll to the bottom and click on the red box that says + Add Row which is Groups.io-speak for create a new database record.   Then a series of labeled blank boxes will pop up, so just go ahead and enter your information for each blank box.  Not all boxes require answers, but we recommend that you provide information in every box.  Once you've done that, you can add a picture of yourself and your mate and one of your boat.  Once you've done that, be sure to click on the + Save Row box to save the information,
 
Easy-peasy!
 
Good luck,
 
Milt
Re: NOG
 
 
Inbox
x
 
 
 
 
Kenn Morrison
10:43 AM (19 minutes ago)
 
 
to me
 
 
 
 
 
Hi milt,
 
Done and thanks for the quick response.

Thanks again for all you do for the group.
 
Thanks
Kenn
 


moderated Re: Saving graphics from Messge area

Leeni
 

I wasn't talking about tubes not being able to be saved from the message area of the group.
I was talking about PNG, GIFS and JPEG's
Unless they are attached and you save from the attachment, they do not get the name that the graphic was assigned. It is replaced by a number.
 
Now those images might be named correctly because I showed them as attachments.
But when it was saved from the body of the email it was assigned the #0 as it's name.
I didn't rename it to prove a point. That is how it turned out when I saved it from the message area
 
The only way to show this is to embed the images and not attach them.
 
   These have the name 0 when saved from the message area
 
   This has 0 (1) when it was saved from the same email
 
 
 
     This one's name became 2  and this one was 3 
 
They lose their real name.
 
Tubes are Paint Shop Pro images and cannot be used in email.
They have to be attached.
 
 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: dave w
Date: 04/30/19 21:28:41
Subject: Re: [beta] Saving graphics from Messge area
 
I'm left wondering why this has not been answered for two weeks?
So I shall add my 30 years understanding and see if that assists.
regards davew

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 08:44 AM, Leeni wrote:
Why the messages are no use as it stands right now to graphic type groups?
 
Disagree. Don't find this at all.

 
 (Maybe this is a bug)
 
I don't believe so. Refer below>>>>

 
When a graphic or Paint Shop Pro tube is sent in a message and then it is saved by email, the name of the tube or graphic is associated with the tube.
 

A valid graphic file, if not mutilated or distorted should be visible.
Never heard of 'tubes'- don't use Windows or work in that environment any longer.

On looking it up I find 'tubes' is a proprietory format used by  Paint Shop Pro. Ergo, it is not an 'internet' STANDARD format of graphic. Problem solved.

Zip the files and instruct users to download an unzip using that programme in order to see/ use.
That is the problem- expecting non-standard formats to appear?

https://fileinfo.com/extension/tub
"File used by PaintShop Pro, a graphics editing program; contains graphics that can be painted..."

As to naming- that I see as solely the posters responsibility.
I see many (automated-professional) systems that indeed use natural language for technical subjects (photo histories etc.) while others provide no attempt at naming conventions at all.

Similarly the average user, will reply and attach something from their collection- unknown why (as it has never happened to me using my Macbook) which will result in 0-1-2-3- etc as you say.

My Solution: If I have to save that photo or graphic and the subject material is not extremely obvious, then I always copy some plate text from its container page/ message first then Save As and add my own title.

Note: TIF/ TIFF are a Graphic Standard format used by archivists and collections everywhere, but do not display within web browsers. Therefore they have to be downloaded to obtain satisfaction. Good people add a similar jpg/jpeg to show the article in question, but it will be at a much reduced resolution.

 
Example attachment #1 Fresh Bread PNG Clip art 26751
 
When the same tube is saved from the message area it is given a number like 0, 0(1), etc. So when members go to save these graphics from the message area, they do not have the name of the image.   
 
Not so when I just tested your graphic. The first was named naturally correctly.
 
Example #2 calls the image 0 
 
 
Yes it did. But did you name it or omit a name to prove a point?

They can't even saved correctly. Now if you were to save the images from the message area for all of the messages you would get multiple images named 0, some with 0 (1), some with 0 (2) if they were all in the same message. Now you go to another message and save the 1 graphic there you would get 0 all over again.
See answer above.
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moderated Re: Saving graphics from Messge area

dave w
 

I'm left wondering why this has not been answered for two weeks?
So I shall add my 30 years understanding and see if that assists.
regards davew

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 08:44 AM, Leeni wrote:
Why the messages are no use as it stands right now to graphic type groups?
 
Disagree. Don't find this at all.

 
 (Maybe this is a bug)
 
I don't believe so. Refer below>>>>

 
When a graphic or Paint Shop Pro tube is sent in a message and then it is saved by email, the name of the tube or graphic is associated with the tube.
 

A valid graphic file, if not mutilated or distorted should be visible.
Never heard of 'tubes'- don't use Windows or work in that environment any longer.

On looking it up I find 'tubes' is a proprietory format used by  Paint Shop Pro. Ergo, it is not an 'internet' STANDARD format of graphic. Problem solved.

Zip the files and instruct users to download an unzip using that programme in order to see/ use.
That is the problem- expecting non-standard formats to appear?

https://fileinfo.com/extension/tub
"File used by PaintShop Pro, a graphics editing program; contains graphics that can be painted..."

As to naming- that I see as solely the posters responsibility.
I see many (automated-professional) systems that indeed use natural language for technical subjects (photo histories etc.) while others provide no attempt at naming conventions at all.

Similarly the average user, will reply and attach something from their collection- unknown why (as it has never happened to me using my Macbook) which will result in 0-1-2-3- etc as you say.

My Solution: If I have to save that photo or graphic and the subject material is not extremely obvious, then I always copy some plate text from its container page/ message first then Save As and add my own title.

Note: TIF/ TIFF are a Graphic Standard format used by archivists and collections everywhere, but do not display within web browsers. Therefore they have to be downloaded to obtain satisfaction. Good people add a similar jpg/jpeg to show the article in question, but it will be at a much reduced resolution.

 
Example attachment #1 Fresh Bread PNG Clip art 26751
 
When the same tube is saved from the message area it is given a number like 0, 0(1), etc. So when members go to save these graphics from the message area, they do not have the name of the image.   
 
Not so when I just tested your graphic. The first was named naturally correctly.
 
Example #2 calls the image 0 
 
 
Yes it did. But did you name it or omit a name to prove a point?

They can't even saved correctly. Now if you were to save the images from the message area for all of the messages you would get multiple images named 0, some with 0 (1), some with 0 (2) if they were all in the same message. Now you go to another message and save the 1 graphic there you would get 0 all over again.
See answer above.
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Re: Members Removed for Marking Messages as spam AUTO-Message suggested modification

ro-esp
 

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 04:17 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

When you see something like:

             The Groups.io Team <xyz+owner@groups.io>

do you immediately think, "Oh, that's a message from the owner that they
sent," or, "That's an automated message"?
"<xyz+owner@groups.io>" by itself makes me think it comes from a moderator of the xyz group

"The Groups.io Team" makes me think there's a small group of individuals, and one of them is responsible - or it's just spam.

Without reading the message that is....
groetjes, Ronaldo


Re: Members Removed for Marking Messages as spam AUTO-Message suggested modification

Ken Schweizer
 

Hi Shal,

I believe your suggestion would resolve the issue for most of the non-technical people who now believe their group moderator unsubscribed them. Those who look at the actual return address probable are savvy enough to understand what happened.

My suggestion would be:

From: The Groups.io Team <groupname+owner@groups.io>
Shal
Ken

“Some people occasionally stumble across the truth. But then they pick themselves right up and move on like nothing happened.”
Winston Churchill

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