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moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

The phrase, "Better than nothing," springs immediately to mind.   It's known that members can have non-public profiles.  Being able to search the public ones is a big deal as far as I'm concerned.  Your mileage obviously varies.

I use searches in all sorts of places where the result is in no way guaranteed.   It's a heck of a lot easier than slogging through hundreds or thousands of entries by hand to find nothing.

This will be my last input on this request, as its merits are obvious to some and its impact is zero to anyone who doesn't care to use it.
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moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

David Grimm
 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It would be really nice to have exactly the same capability present in the Member Directory for members.

On the other hand, since the Member Directory does not necessarily (and usually doesn't) have all the members listed, having a search function would be of limited value. If you are looking for a specific person and the search doesn't find them, does that mean they aren't a member or that they wish to maintain their privacy? I'm not sure that the benefit of this function would be worth the effort.

Dave


moderated Re: auto-check "moderated" box on topic if marked with moderated hashtag #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 09:15 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

If you un-check that box in edit Topic, what would you expect to have happen? Both the Hashtag and Topic Moderated settings are cleared?
Forgot to answer this: no, the hashtag would not be cleared. But the topic should and would be cleared. The "locked" setting works that way currently, and "moderated" works that way as well, with the exception of the erroneous checkbox. You can unlock any topic that's been locked by hashtag. The manual takes precedence.
 
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moderated Re: email address from sender

Dave Sergeant
 

On 14 Apr 2019 at 9:28, Brian Vogel wrote:

If you're using the e-mail interface, and the group was set up to allow
private messages, there is a link at the end of every individual
message, "Reply to Sender,"
Only in HTML mails, not in plain text if the group or user has
configured for plain text only. There used to be one there but it
disappeared a while back when Mark revised the footers.

I am a bit puzzled. In virtually all my groups members assume their
email addresses will appear in their postings and occasionally want to
reply to senders off list. Even DMARC does not hide the sender's
address, it just needs a bit of jiggery pokery to work it out. I for
one would request the sender's address is even more easy to find.

Dave

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moderated Re: email address from sender

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/14 06:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 05:42 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Groups.io does not have a "private message" feature yet, right?
It certainly does. ...there is a link at the end of every individual message, "Reply to Sender," that will prepopulate a blank e-mail message with the original message sender's address...
Actually I was referring to a feature found on some other forums whereby
you can send a private message to someone without knowing their e-mail
address. The recipient gets the private message in a "private message
inbox" tied to his profile page, and may get an e-mail notification
telling him that there is a message waiting for him.

Sending an e-mail with "Private" in the subject line isn't what I had in
mind when I said "private message" feature (but thanks for the reply).

Samuel


moderated Re: auto-check "moderated" box on topic if marked with moderated hashtag #suggestion

 

Actually since this is more of a bug than a requested feature I probably should have sent it to support instead of here. I'll do that now.
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moderated Re: auto-check "moderated" box on topic if marked with moderated hashtag #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 09:15 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
The checkbox you are referring to currently shows the status of the "Topic Moderated" setting.
Yes. And previously, some months ago, I posted here that topics moderated by hashtag did not display the moderated icon. That's now been fixed. I think this issue is just a similar oversight and should be fixed as well.

"Topic moderated" is not "independent" of being moderated by hashtag. If a topic is moderated, whether directly by hand or indirectly by hashtag, it's moderated, period. I think that all settings, checkboxes, and icons can and should reflect that. 

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moderated Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

As a moderator, if I go to the Members page under Admin (which allows the owner and moderators to see all of the group members) there is a search box at the top to allow me to search for a specific member.

The same function is not available on any Member Directory page, whether it's in a group on which I moderate or not.  When one wishes to find a member in a group with a huge membership pool, not having a search is a grand PITA.

It would be really nice to have exactly the same capability present in the Member Directory for members.
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moderated Re: email address from sender

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 05:42 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Groups.io does not have a "private message" feature yet, right?
It certainly does.   If you're using the e-mail interface, and the group was set up to allow private messages, there is a link at the end of every individual message, "Reply to Sender," that will prepopulate a blank e-mail message with the original message sender's address and the subject with "Private: " followed by the subject.  When reading on the web interface, the same thing is implemented via the "Private" button at the lower right under the compose area.

There's no truly simple way to PM a random group member directly via e-mail if you're not looking at a message from them, but it can still be done by going to the group's directory page, finding the member you wish to e-mail privately, and clicking the e-mail button associated with them (if they've allowed for it to be presented).

One cannot search the group directory, though, if there are a huge number of members (or at least I've not found the function).
 
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     Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.

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moderated Re: auto-check "moderated" box on topic if marked with moderated hashtag #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

The checkbox you are referring to currently shows the status of the "Topic Moderated" setting. This is independent from the "Moderated by Hashtag" setting. In other words, either being set will cause the topic to be moderated.

If you un-check that box in edit Topic, what would you expect to have happen? Both the Hashtag and Topic Moderated settings are cleared?

I can see that it may not be obvious from memory after looking at the email for a few moments and not realizing that the topic already includes moderation by hashtag. What about just continuing to display the Moderated Icon in the title line when doing the edit topic? Perhaps the label of the checkbox could be changed to make it cleared that it only refers to "Moderated by Topic".

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moderated Re: email address from sender

Michael Cope <mcope@...>
 

The point of the request is to PREVENT people from contacting the sender privately unless the sender has given permission such as by posting his email address in the body of whatever he posted. The problem being addressed is folks who violate the courtesy customs set up in the group (which of course could vary from group to group). In our group the rules are if you send a group message it goes to the group and if you want to send a private email to a willing participant do if off group . And in my view should really be at the discretion of the individual sender whether they are willing to accept private emails from everyone in the group....that makes it a subscription option.

Mike

At 04:41 AM 4/14/2019, you wrote:
On 2019/04/13 06:32 PM, Michael Cope wrote:

...it should be a small task to simply allow an option in the Subscription to let individual users hide their FROM address (but not
their Name) and have whatever would work substituted in that field.
Well, if there is, then I think it should be substituted with something
that allows other members to contact the person privately.

Perhaps a URL to the person's profile page (where there is an "Email"
button). This would, however, require such users to set up a profile
page, and to then set that setting in their profile page settings. And
it would require that the profile visibility is set to "Other members of
your group" at least.

Groups.io does not have a "private message" feature yet, right?

Samuel



moderated auto-check "moderated" box on topic if marked with moderated hashtag #suggestion

 

I noticed this morning that while topics marked with a moderated hashtag are correctly labelled with the "moderated" icon, the box "moderated" is not checked when you click on "edit topic." I don't know if "locked" has the same lack, but in any case I think both should have the boxes automatically checked if a topic is already resp. moderated or locked. I got confused this morning because the box was allowing me to check it when the topic was already moderated.
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moderated Re: separate (optional!) tab for sticky messages #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 04:26 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
I created a Group_Management hashtag in a rather lurid colour. Doesn't force people to read it of course, but it makes such stickies harder to miss.
Lurid is good. :-)

Seriously: what I've done is implement Chris's idea to the max. I now have only one actual sticky topic, which consists of a consolidation of all the former stickies. It's a list of pointers to them and it also contains an explanation of the new hashtag, which is called #STICKY, is bright red, and has been added to all the former stickies. The title of the one remaining sticky is in in all caps: HOW TO FIND STICKY TOPICS IN THIS GROUP.  For my purposes, it works almost exactly as the feature I requested.

Granted, you have to click on the sticky to see the titles of the topics, instead of having the titles of the stickies in people's faces; in at least one group I know of, the titles of the stickies are short summaries of the group's posting rules, so people are constantly forced to see the rules. 

I will probably hone the system over time as people get more used to it and new members show up. For example, I will probably change the title to something like "IMPORTANT TOPICS" and cut out much of the explanatory text about the new system. It will end up just saying something like, "This is a list of important current or past topics in the group. If you are a new member, please find time to read them. You can also find them all at any time by doing a search on #STICKY or by clicking on the #STICKY hashtag."
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moderated Re: separate (optional!) tab for sticky messages #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 09:56 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Adding a little "sticky" icon to a sticky post is IMO insufficient visual cue. Having them on a separate tab, or in a separate box, or not showing their content (only the subject line) would all help to highlight sticky posts.
Perfectly true, which is why I created a Group_Management hashtag in a rather lurid colour. Doesn't force people to read it of course, but it makes such stickies harder to miss.

Chris


moderated Re: email address from sender

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/13 06:32 PM, Michael Cope wrote:

...it should be a small task to simply allow an option in the Subscription to let individual users hide their FROM address (but not
their Name) and have whatever would work substituted in that field.
Well, if there is, then I think it should be substituted with something
that allows other members to contact the person privately.

Perhaps a URL to the person's profile page (where there is an "Email"
button). This would, however, require such users to set up a profile
page, and to then set that setting in their profile page settings. And
it would require that the profile visibility is set to "Other members of
your group" at least.

Groups.io does not have a "private message" feature yet, right?

Samuel


moderated Re: separate (optional!) tab for sticky messages #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/13 10:26 PM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io wrote:

One weakness of the sticky topic system is that it only "works" for those members who use the web UI all the time or at least fairly often...
Even web users may not actually "see" them. :-)

If a certain piece of text always appears on a certain part of a page that I visit often, then, by the third or fourth visit, I no longer even notice it. Particularly if this text tries to be part of other text that I'm trying to read.

Adding a little "sticky" icon to a sticky post is IMO insufficient visual cue. Having them on a separate tab, or in a separate box, or not showing their content (only the subject line) would all help to highlight sticky posts.

(In addition to making space, of course.)

One weakness of the sticky topic system is that it only "works" for those members who use the web UI all the time or at least fairly often; those who rely on email posting or reading never see them.
As for e-mail users not seeing sticky posts, one idea might be to have the option to send a monthly reminder to all users about the sticky posts. This can be a separate reminder specifically about sticky posts, or it can form part of a "summary" post that contains other news and reminders about the group as well (e.g. how many new members joined, how many posts there were, how many new photos etc).

Odds are some e-mail users won't read that mail either, but at least then you draw e-mail users' attention to what has been going on on the group that they may not be aware of.

Samuel


moderated e-mail control of "Following Only," "First Messages Also," and "Auto Follow Replies" Advanced Subscription Preferences #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

After asking on Group Managers Forum it appears that controls to set/unset these advanced preferences by e-mail message does not exist.

I am currently trying to encourage members of several groups I'm on to actually use "Following Only" and "First Messages Also" to implement topic preview and "Auto Follow Replies" so that any topics they initiate or reply to will be followed.   All of these groups are composed of well above 90% of members using the e-mail interface alone.

At first I thought there might be a logical reason these are not available via e-mail like subscribe/unsubscribe/post/etc., but after thinking about it for quite a while I cannot see a technical barrier to same.  It would be nice for these settings to be toggled via the e-mail interface.   I do not participate on any group where any one of these features is disabled, and I do not even know if they can be disabled.  If they were to be disabled, then any attempt to toggle by e-mail message should just go to the bit bucket and have an autoreply go back to the member that the feature is disabled on "this group" (whatever this group happens to be).

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moderated Re: separate (optional!) tab for sticky messages #suggestion

 

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 01:26 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
as long as there is always one visible on the front page (for ease of finding!) then clicking on it will bring up all the topics
I'm going to do that by creating a sticky that explains the hashtag. So instead of multiple stickies taking up space, there will be just one.
 
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moderated Re: separate (optional!) tab for sticky messages #suggestion

 

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 01:26 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
a moderator - only hashtag called <something suitable>
Great idea. I'm putting that in place as we speak...
 
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moderated Re: separate (optional!) tab for sticky messages #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 04:31 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
A separate tab at the left for "sticky topics" (or other terminology) would solve this problem. Right now, the choice is between important, often-cited topics to be either (1) accumulating at the top of the Topics list, causing inconvenience; or (2) on the other hand, locatable only via a search.
This could be quite a useful facility; I have run into the same problem of the front page filling up with sticky topics, albeit for perfectly valid reasons. Eventually I have had to unstick some of them to release space.

One weakness of the sticky topic system is that it only "works" for those members who use the web UI all the time or at least fairly often; those who rely on email posting or reading never see them. 

There is one way of achieving the stated goal now, and that is a moderator - only hashtag called <something suitable> and as long as there is always one visible on the front page (for ease of finding!) then clicking on it will bring up all the topics with that hashtag applied. Works for any member who remembers that short cut. :)

Chris

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