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moderated Re: Ability to add hashtags to file upload notifications #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:18 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Do you think a user who uploads a file should be allowed to set only hashtags, or should he be allowed to add anything to the subject line that he feels is relevant (including, if he chooses, hashtags)?
I am not envisioning any changes to hashtag permissions either.  If a user has the ability to upload a file and also use hashtags (either existing ones or creating new ones) then an option to add those on the file upload dialog (in the same manner as when starting a new topic) would be helpful.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Ability to add hashtags to file upload notifications #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/11 12:13 PM, Andy W wrote:

I'm just thinking that anyone who has permission to upload files [should have] the ability to add a hashtag to the subject line of the notification messages.  A users' ability to upload is controlled by group permissions and I am not suggesting any changes there.
Aaah, I see.

Do you think a user who uploads a file should be allowed to set only hashtags, or should he be allowed to add anything to the subject line that he feels is relevant (including, if he chooses, hashtags)?

Samuel


moderated Re: Ability to add hashtags to file upload notifications #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Samuel,

I hadn't considered any kind of auto-detect feature but that is not on my radar.  I'm just thinking that anyone who has permission to upload files has the ability to add a hashtag to the subject line of the notification messages.  A users' ability to upload is controlled by group permissions and I am not suggesting any changes there.

Andy


moderated Re: Ability to add hashtags to file upload notifications #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/11 12:09 PM, Samuel Murray wrote:

1. the option to auto-detect the file type referred to in an upload notification, and to then have a file type hashtag (e.g. #pdf, #docx, #gif) added to the upload notification
and/or
2. the option to auto-detect the file type of any attachment sent to the list, and then to them have a file type hashtag (e.g. #pdf, #docx, #gif) added to the subject line of that message
Or, do you want the hashtag to be something customizable, triggered by the file type (e.g. if PDF then add #lookhere, if DOCX then #swimaway, if GIF then #heycomeseethisanimation).

Samuel


moderated Re: Ability to add hashtags to file upload notifications #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/11 11:38 AM, Andy W wrote:

Different file types may be of more interest to some members than others so having different hashtags and being able to mute them allows users to select which notifications they want to filter out.
Do I understand correctly that you want either:

1. the option to auto-detect the file type referred to in an upload notification, and to then have a file type hashtag (e.g. #pdf, #docx, #gif) added to the upload notification

and/or

2. the option to auto-detect the file type of any attachment sent to the list, and then to them have a file type hashtag (e.g. #pdf, #docx, #gif) added to the subject line of that message

and...

do you want the activation of this feature to be a user setting or a group setting?

Samuel


moderated Re: Option to set expiry date on nomail/special notice

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/11 09:58 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

Make it possible for members to go nomail for a set period of time
only. In other words, when they change their subscription to
"nomail", they [can] also set for how many days they want to be
nomail, and once that time is over, their subscription automatically
reverts to the previous subscription setting (or: to digest).
Just to be clear: my post contained two suggestions:

1. The ability for users to set a time limit on their own nomail.
2. An few enhancements for #1, relating to moderator options.

Suggestion #2 is not the main suggestion here. Suggestion #1 does not
rely on whether or not there are enhancements for moderators.

Samuel


moderated Ability to add hashtags to file upload notifications #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

As a group owner I'd like a simple method of adding hashtags to file upload notices.

Different file types may be of more interest to some members than others so having different hashtags and being able to mute them allows users to select which notifications they want to filter out.

The only way I can see of doing this at the moment is to:
  • Put myself on moderation
  • Upload a file and check the notify members option
  • Edit the pending notification message and add a hashtag (which could moderate or lock the notification message depending upon the hashtag settings).
  • Approve and send the file upload notification message.
  • Reset my moderation
This is a PITA to say the least so having having a hashtag option on the file upload dialog would be much easier and save time.

Andy


moderated Re: Option to set expiry date on nomail/special notice

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/04/11 10:58 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io wrote:

I can only speak for myself, but I am a "no mail" subscriber to
numerous groups because I much prefer to work from the web UI.
Yes, the reason you mention is one very valid reason to be on "nomail",
and my suggestion is not meant to affect such subscribers.

[It is somewhat unfortunate that users are forced to use the "nomail"
feature for two different things: for saying "I want to read via the web
site" and for saying "I don't want to participate for a while", i.e.
there is no separate settings for people who want to be active
participants but receive no mail, and users who usually want to receive
mail but just not for a short period of time.]

However, for users who typically participate via e-mail, and who set
their account to nomail due to temporary absence (e.g. going away on
holiday), it would be helpful if they don't have to remember not to
forget to set their accounts to normal again.

Also, I have been a member of groups where the group owners frown on
members being nomail for no good reason. In fact, in one group you got
kicked out if you dared go nomail. Some people are sensitive about such
things. A guarantee that the nomail is temporary would help.

Assuming that your proposal would be "optional" it would be an option
I would not invoke.
Yes, it should be entirely optional.

If the group owner does not *require* auto-unnomail, then users are free
to use the feature if the want to, or not.

If the group owner does want to require auto-unnomail, he can set the
maximum nomail time if he wants to set a maximum, or not.

I would hate it if some sort of "delivery option management" was forced on to moderators.
Sorry, I'm using "group owner" to mean "moderators".

What is the intended purpose behind this suggestion?
For users who use the nomail feature like they use an out-of-office
reply (i.e. to stop receiving mails for a short while), it would be
helpful to be able to set a specified time that they're nomail (in the
same way that you would set your out-of-office reply to be active for a
set period of time).

How members read posts is of little import;...
It is not my intention that members who want to read via the web site
should be inconvenienced (although I can see how that may become
possible, if a group owner chooses to set a required time limit on a
group where some users don't want to set their subscription to special
notices).

What's next? A "minimum number of posts per day/week/month/year"?
My suggestion has nothing to do with setting limits or quotas on
participation.

Samuel


moderated Re: Delete part of message "[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 05:50 PM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
Not sure what your question is.

In Yahoogroups for groups that are set as plain text and no
attachments, any messages posted in HTML or with attachments will have
those parts stripped and this statement appended to the end.
Yahoogroups added it in the original, groups.io transferred it over as
it was complete with the statement if it was there.
How hide or delete automatically this part of message?


moderated Re: Option to set expiry date on nomail/special notice

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 08:58 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Your thoughts?
I can only speak for myself, but I am a "no mail" subscriber to numerous groups because I much prefer to work from the web UI. I would not want to have to fiddle about on different groups advising the owner that I wished to stay on "no mail". The exception is the group I moderate where I use email delivery to warn me that a bit of activity is required; I can't be looking at and refreshing the web UI all the time if I am doing something else. As a (co)owner and moderator I would not want to get involved in managing delivery options on a daily basis, so assuming that your proposal would be "optional" it would be an option I would not invoke. I would hate it if some sort of "delivery option management" was forced on to moderators.

What is the intended purpose behind this suggestion? At the moment it looks like a load of complexity for the sake of having more complexity. How members read posts is of little import; it is not in and of itself a measure of their "engagement" which might be better measured by their posts, rather than the means by which they read the posts of others. What's next? A "minimum number of posts per day/week/month/year"?

I'm afraid that I view this idea as an example of the attempts at "control freakery" that seem to arise from time to time; that said I fully accept that others might feel differently.

As a final point I would ask why have you conflated members on no mail or special delivery only with "sleeping members"? I accept that that may be the case, but it should not be automatically assumed that they are one and the same thing.

Chris


moderated Option to set expiry date on nomail/special notice

Samuel Murrayy
 

Hello everyone

Some people set themselves to "nomail" for an indefinite amount of time (e.g. they no longer want to want to leave, but find it too drastic to unsubscribe, or they want to read via the web but don't want to receive a digest), whereas others do so only for short, set periods of time (e.g. going away on holidays).

Some group owners do not want "sleeping" members in their groups (i.e. members who are on nomail or special notice indefinitely).

So, a suggestion:

Make it possible for members to go nomail for a set period of time only. In other words, when they change their subscription to "nomail", they [can] also set for how many days they want to be nomail, and once that time is over, their subscription automatically reverts to the previous subscription setting (or: to digest).

Also, group owners should be able to *require* that members who want to go nomail, should set a period.

Also (instead of or independent of the previous point), group owners should be able to set a maximum nomail time (if the member wants to be nomail for longer, he has to communicate with the group owner directly to ask for a longer extension).

Also, if a member goes nomail via e-mail and does not specify the length of time that he will be nomail, he should be nomail for only as long as a default amount of nomail duration set by the group owner (which can be the same as the maximum nomail time, or another duration set by the moderator).

Your thoughts?

Samuel


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

Bob Bellizzi
 

I can see the rational use of Like and Don't Like in relation to the way a feature operates, the lack or or the plethora of color in an abstract art piece as well as two heads in place of feet in same. 

When Mark proposes or implements a new feature, shorthand opinions have great merit for his overly busy days.
A quick scan of Beta's Like/Don't Like tagging for a feature would give him a quick read.  Then, as chief of all at groups.io he could expand his understanding of both by reading appropriate messages from the Likers/Dislikers or even elicit opinions from them if he's of a mind.  In short, a quick survey  of opinions might be helpful in this case.

But to allow free use of like/dislike to any message is to question not only the content but to possibly cause the author of the (unliked) message to question what they did wrong, and/or a plethora of other questions about what/why was not liked.  More timid souls would likely be totally silenced.  (no chance of finding me in that last category)
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Well, now that we are off the original topic, I would like to rebut the "unlike for like".

I do find the "Like" handy for when I agree with someone, or like the joke they are telling, but I don't want to have to make a "me too" post.

So, who should have the choice as to whether or not Like and/or Unlike is allowed in a Group? Should it be the Group owner or the subscribers? Or should this be enforced site-wide?

--
Gerald


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I said elsewhere that were I given a choice, the "Like" button would itself be discontinued.

Groups.io is about as far from social media as I can imagine online these days, and upvote (like) and downvote (dislike) buttons scream social media or newspaper comments sections to me (and many of the latter dropped both a long time ago).

I find them to be the equivalent of "Me too!!" messages, but with a "direction."   I've never found this sort of content serves any useful purpose to the membership at large.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

     Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.

              ~ Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

 

The suggestion for an option to disable even the "Like" button has been suggested (by me) (and, ironically, was "Liked" by some people).
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/28717248#19180

Even "Likes" can contribute to contentiousness.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

Marv Waschke
 

I'll go even farther. The groups I work with go a long way to encourage people to express their thoughts on the subjects under discussion. The moderators try hard to express appreciation for everyone who takes the trouble to comment and soothe ruffled feathers when someone's opinion is put down, which is not the same as disagreement. The result is a pleasant experience for all. When someone goes rogue, there are many tools: outright bans, placing on moderation, private emails, public replies, and silence all have their place. 

I would not welcome a "dislike" option because it would make it easy to put someone down without explaining why. I see "dislikes" making moderation more difficult for groups that I enjoy.
Best, Marv


moderated Re: Hide French quote

Benoît Dumeaux
 

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moderated Re: Delete part of message "[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"

Dave Sergeant
 

Not sure what your question is.

In Yahoogroups for groups that are set as plain text and no
attachments, any messages posted in HTML or with attachments will have
those parts stripped and this statement appended to the end.
Yahoogroups added it in the original, groups.io transferred it over as
it was complete with the statement if it was there.

Dave

On 9 Apr 2019 at 8:15, Benoît Dumeaux wrote:

Delete form Y!G messages archives
"[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"

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moderated Delete part of message "[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"

Benoît Dumeaux
 

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moderated Re: Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

 

Downvotes tend to cause arguments. So a "Dislike" option is yet another feature where I would ask, if it's ever provided, that there be a way for a group to disable it.

JohnF

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