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moderated Why isn't there a "don't like" option, in addition to the "like" option?

 

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moderated Re: Consolidate Subgroup Calendars #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Tim,

you can get a combined calendar view of the main group and all subgroups you are subscribed to using the Your Calendar option after clicking the Groups.io icon towards the top left of the browser window.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: When editing a repeating event, if no date/time changes are made, we no longer lose any RSVPs to existing events.
  • INTERNAL: Upgraded Stripe API library to the latest version as part of the work to support group payments.
  • BUGFIX: The GMT offset in the #cal-invite message would be off if the new event is on a date that has a different daylight savings than today's date.
  • CHANGE: A user's overall calendar now defaults to list view on mobile. It also respects a user's time format.
  • INTERNAL: Changed admin system to not rely on the main database for authentication.
  • CHANGED: Updated the credit card forms with newer code from Stripe.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Consolidate Subgroup Calendars #suggestion

Tim Crandall <tim.crandall@...>
 

I would like the ability to add events to a subgroup calendar and send reminders to only the subgroup members, but have the event show on the main group calendar. That way everyone in the group knows what's happening, but not everyone gets reminder messages that may not be relevant to them.


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 05:20 PM, I wrote:
Curiously none of the 8 groups of which I am a member has (or more correctly had) set a non - elephant icon
Oops; mea culpa. Shal had set one for his test group. Please don't throw me off it. :)

Chris


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 11:13 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
BTW, setting a Mobile icon (group Admin settings) is the icon that shows up in the group feed.
Curiously none of the 8 groups of which I am a member has (or more correctly had) set a non - elephant icon; I have just done one for the group I moderate. May I advise anyone thinking of setting one up that it has to be incredibly simple, IMHO, for the simple reason that as displayed it will be (of necessity) rather small for anything "exotic". 

I have taken the monumental liberty of attaching one suitable for this group should its owner see fit to use it. :)

Chris


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

Duane
 

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 09:56 AM, Holly wrote:
it varies randomly between the groups.io/feed and groups.io/groups.
There are several pages that can become the 'default' for the home page, depending on which you last visited.  The 2 you mentioned, as well as groups.io/topics and groups.io/calendar for sure and there may be others I'm not aware of, but not the bounce page.

Duane


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

Holly <holly@...>
 

Well, it did start as a suggestion for the feed page :) But I won't clutter up the list with stuff that isn't related to improvement suggestions.

Thanks, that idea worked for me. The feed page remains strange - it doesn't show me the last page I visited, which is usually my bounce page, but it varies randomly between the groups.io/feed and groups.io/groups.

Holly

On 4/5/19 10:23 AM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io wrote:
Holly
You should probably take this discussion over to the GMF but...
You don’t need to be annoyed. Don’t worry, be happy!
Go back to the page you like.
https://groups.io/groups
X out. The next g.io <http://g.io> will take you back there and will continue to take you there unless you X out with the feed page open.
You don’t need to keep a page open, just put a link on your browser top bar or save a link to a convenient place like your start menu or desktop if on a PC
Ken


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

KWKloeber
 

Holly

You should probably take this discussion over to the GMF but...

You don’t need to be annoyed. Don’t worry, be happy!
Go back to the page you like.  

X out. The next g.io will take you back there and will continue to take you there unless you X out with the feed page open. 

You don’t need to keep a page open, just put a link on your browser top bar or save a link to a convenient place like your start menu or desktop if on a PC  

Ken

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moderated Re: What do you like best about Feeds?

 

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 06:35 AM, HR Tech wrote:
Do you mind that a feed is inherently in chronological reverse order?
No, I would not mind a feed that shows messages in reverse chrono order, because a feed by definition should display elements in reverse chrono order. In fact, wish the groups.io feed were more reverse-chrono instead of displaying whole topics, which display in chrono order (oldest first). If the groups.io "feed" (which I still think would be more aptly named the "recent activity page") were to display the most recent individual messages, it would be truer to what one would expect from a feed.

All of that said, nothing about the groups.io feed bothers me because I don't use it and it's now easy to avoid. I just peek at it every so often to see what our members are seeing. :) 

As far as limiting the question to people who like feeds, I was only thinking that a more appropriate target audience for the question might be the totality of groups.io users, who may or may not be mostly of the ilk who like feeds. But with the current ability to effectively turn off the feed in favor of the groups list, that becomes mostly moot, except for new users, who may need some hand-holding in the beginning to switch).
 
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moderated Re: What do you like best about Feeds?

Maria
 

Thanks J! So you enjoy activity feeds that you can customize a bit to suit your viewing priorities. Cool. 

Do you mind that a feed is inherently in chronological reverse order?

Anyone else have feeds they enjoy and can share what they enjoy about them? 

I didn’t mean in my question to exclude anyone who wishes to chime in - as with any topic here, we are all free to participate obviously. I guess I was trying to make the focus of the question be constructive feedback and assumed that a good starting point would be to hear from those who enjoy platforms with activity feeds. 


Maria 


moderated Re: Anonymous suggestion box #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 06:27 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Do y’all realize IT’S NOT all about YOU. 
We are all not even a small cog in the big wheel of life. 
It’s NOT ABOUT anyone’s opinions.  
Everyone has an opinion, but it’s meaningless.  
Different folks/different strokes. 
If anyone needs some security in knowing peeps agree with their opinion, start an EFFIN POLL. 
Yeah, well, that's your opinion.  :-)

Bruce


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

Holly <holly@...>
 

When I went to groups.io earlier, it gave me what I thought was the feed page - a list of the groups I belong to, with the one I own on top.

When I went to groups.io/feed, it showed me the groups I belong to with the most active at the top - not a useful arrangement for me.

When I went to groups.io just now, after reading your email, I found myself with the "feed" layout.

I'm confused and annoyed at this point and glad that I don't use the web interface very much! I'll just go back to keeping the bouncing members page open in my browser and refresh that as needed. Everything else I can manage via email.

Holly

On 4/4/19 6:13 PM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io wrote:
Holly
HTTPS://Groups.io is the feed page.
She remembers your last choice and you’re redirected to there.
So after g.io, if you go to Your Groups, that’s what will open next on g.io.
If you go to Topics. The next g.io will take you to topics.
BTW, setting a Mobile icon (group Admin settings) is the icon that shows up in the group feed. (Not when you use a mobile browser.)


moderated Re: Anonymous suggestion box #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

As I have posted before. 

Why does making a suggestion automatically turn some into thinking it’s license to start a popularity poll???  

If you have something to ADD to it, or BETTER it, or something meaningful re: the suggestion then post.   

Otherwise one IS NOT necessarily required to exercise their fingers and mouse clicks, just for the sake of seeing their words in print on a screen or email. 

Do y’all realize IT’S NOT all about YOU. 
We are all not even a small cog in the big wheel of life. 
It’s NOT ABOUT anyone’s opinions.  
Everyone has an opinion, but it’s meaningless.  
Different folks/different strokes. 
If anyone needs some security in knowing peeps agree with their opinion, start an EFFIN POLL. 

Beta isn’t about meaningless OPINIONS. 


moderated Re: Suggestion for new feed page

KWKloeber
 

Holly

HTTPS://Groups.io is the feed page.
She remembers your last choice and you’re redirected to there.
So after g.io, if you go to Your Groups, that’s what will open next on g.io.
If you go to Topics. The next g.io will take you to topics.

BTW, setting a Mobile icon (group Admin settings) is the icon that shows up in the group feed. (Not when you use a mobile browser.)


moderated Re: email addresses for suggesting features offlist from beta #suggestion

 

For very simple things, I just email support.  Mark hasn't swatted my hand about them yet...
Good to know. I will start doing the same.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: email addresses for suggesting features offlist from beta #suggestion

Toby Kraft
 

For very simple things, I just email support.  Mark hasn't swatted my hand about them yet...


moderated Re: Anonymous suggestion box #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 07:37 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
There can be ideas implemented that some groups don't use. That doesn't make them bad - it simply means they might not work for you.
Quite so. But in some instances proposals which might be all upside from the proposer's viewpoint might have serious downsides for others; the Law of Unintended Consequences.

I don't get involved with Databases, Calendars, Subgroups etc for the simple reason that no group of which I am a member uses them. I might well read GMF/beta posts about them, but I do not participate because they are subjects on which I am insufficiently informed.

However, if there is a proposal which IMHO has a potentially serious downside that would affect the way in which "my" group works, then I will say so, and it may be worth emphasising that I will raise my concerns irrespective of its originator being identified or anonymous. Having an unidentified originator does not make a poor, ill thought out suggestion a good one!

Now - at the risk of going on a bit - I want to illustrate how misunderstandings can arise. In my previous post I quoted this as a starting point: People could then easily voice their concerns and complaints with a particular group to the group owners without having to suffer, or worrying about suffering, negative consequences.

As written that means anonymous complaints to group owners. However, one or two "comments on my comments" read it as meaning comments posted to a group anonymously, but being identifiable to moderators at moderation. What moderation? Messages to group owners aren't moderated. So (IMHO) there was a clear misinterpretation of what had been written, with a completely different meaning assigned to it.

If what had been written hadn't meant concerns and complaints with a particular group to the group owners then it simply should not have been written that way, and it shouldn't have been interpreted as saying something it doesn't. I know that is a bit pedantic, but it does illustrate that things can be capable of misinterpretation and that care is need to make sure that what we write is actually what we mean to write. 

Chris


moderated Re: Anonymous suggestion box #suggestion

 

I agree with Dano about the open-mindedness. I usually try to make evaluative statements only explicitly as my opinion, but I figure my signature covers that caveat. In the case of anonymous suggestions, I happen to be of the same opinion as Chris that I would not want them onlist in my particular group. We’ve had our share of trolls and disgruntled members. But I agree with Dano that it would be good for us all to be more open-minded. In some groups, anonymity would be just fine. (I even weighed in on someone elses’s idea of anonymous groups as something that I would personally use for a different application.)

On Apr 4, 2019, at 11:37 AM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

Chris, in a statement that ignores how others might run their groups, stated firmly:
Needless to say Reply (Anonymous) must not be an option!
This seems to illustrate where the beta group in the past was much more thoughtful and open-minded toward ideas. It was understood that every idea might have some utility for someone.

What would have been said before is that an anonymous comment =should= be an option that can be turned off by the individual owner.

There can be ideas implemented that some groups don't use. That doesn't make them bad - it simply means they might not work for you.

Dano


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Anonymous suggestion box #suggestion

 

Chris, in a statement that ignores how others might run their groups, stated firmly:
Needless to say Reply (Anonymous) must not be an option!
This seems to illustrate where the beta group in the past was much more thoughtful and open-minded toward ideas. It was understood that every idea might have some utility for someone.

What would have been said before is that an anonymous comment =should= be an option that can be turned off by the individual owner.

There can be ideas implemented that some groups don't use. That doesn't make them bad - it simply means they might not work for you.

Dano

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