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moderated Re: (Groups.io) Feed; a Possible Limitation

KWKloeber
 

<<This page might be more aptly titled ‘recent activity.’>>

ya, that change is what I had previously suggested!!

The obvious answer, though maybe impractical or impossible, is for the feed to display whatever has occurred since the individual USER last loooked at the feed page and/or last opened the most recent msg in a displayed topic.  

Da puppy IS trained -to pee where it wants to. LOL.
excuse the preposition. 


moderated Visibility of Menus

Sharon Villines
 

The Groups.io menus are less visually noticeable than they could be. The content on the page contains lots of blue and white space, various symbols ( [ … etc.

The menus are gray and the text seems smaller — though it may be the effect of the color and variation of the main content. If the point size were 1-2 points larger I don’t think I would have to point out the menu to people as often, if ever. The addition of a standard color for the menu background might also help. I like the nice clean black, white, and blue palette, but a pale grey or blue wouldn’t clutter or distract.

Sharon
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moderated Re: (Groups.io) Feed; a Possible Limitation

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 04:42 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Perhaps you are arguing for an augmented version of the All Topics display instead?
 
Is that a reference to the View All option? I'm not sure how you would augment it; I am just thinking about something (anything?) that would advise users that the Active Topic list might well not be the full story.

Chris


moderated Re: (Groups.io) Feed; a Possible Limitation

 

I would favor an augmented version but only if the increased number is user-customizable by group. Otherwise, the problem of having to scroll through a large area for a group or groups one may have little interest in only gets worse. 


On Mar 28, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Chris,

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 8:14 AM Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Any Subscriber working solely from the Feed might easily miss what is still an active topic because it has been pushed off the bottom of the list; OK it might pop up again sometime later, but again it may not. In the meantime unless our specimen subscriber goes to Topics view the posts to the "busy" topic risk not being seen.

Perhaps you are arguing for an augmented version of the All Topics display instead?

Thanks,
Mark 

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moderated Re: (Groups.io) Feed; a Possible Limitation

 

Chris,

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 8:14 AM Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Any Subscriber working solely from the Feed might easily miss what is still an active topic because it has been pushed off the bottom of the list; OK it might pop up again sometime later, but again it may not. In the meantime unless our specimen subscriber goes to Topics view the posts to the "busy" topic risk not being seen.

Perhaps you are arguing for an augmented version of the All Topics display instead?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

Sharon Villines
 

On Mar 28, 2019, at 12:19 PM, ro-esp <ro-esp@dds.nl> wrote:

Mark, the only thing I am used to seeing when people use "reply to sender" is them adding "off-list" to the subjectline.
I like “off list” but it might not be clear that if it is off-list, who it is going to. “Reply to sender off-list” is the clearest.

Private does sound like “secret.” Some communicated information that is being concealed.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines, Washington DC
"We're only the light bulbs, and our job is just to remain screwed in.” Bishop Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: (Groups.io) Feed; a Possible Limitation

 

Or the user could customize that number.

The real issue, I think, is that this feed is not a real feed. A real feed is infinite. This page might be more aptly titled ‘recent activity.’


On Mar 28, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 03:16 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I don't know what the solution is.
In truth neither do I!

One option might be to increase the number of "Active" topics listed, although the cut - off point will still be a bit arbitrary; on the face of it 10 doesn't seem excessive but it would have the downside of making the Feed page that much longer. 

A second option might be to change the title Active Topics to 5 Most Recent Posts; the more I think about it the more I like that, although it might be a bit too subtle for subscribers to realise that there might be more if they take the trouble to look.

Chris

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moderated Downtime this morning #outage

 

Hi All,

Well that was fun. Here's what I know right now. At 8:28am pacific time, one of the back end machines appeared to freeze up in a weird way. This machine takes all changes to the main database and inserts them into the search cluster (new messages, new activity logs, etc). For some reason that I do not know yet and really do not understand how, this caused a chain of events to happen that started eating up all connections to the main database. This effectively took the site down at 8:34am, which is when I got paged the first time. It took me some time to figure out that the machine was frozen in a weird way and to reboot it. The site came back at 8:52am.

The site is functioning normally and all email sent to groups during this time should have been queued and resent after the site was back.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: (Groups.io) Feed; a Possible Limitation

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 03:16 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I don't know what the solution is.
In truth neither do I!

One option might be to increase the number of "Active" topics listed, although the cut - off point will still be a bit arbitrary; on the face of it 10 doesn't seem excessive but it would have the downside of making the Feed page that much longer. 

A second option might be to change the title Active Topics to 5 Most Recent Posts; the more I think about it the more I like that, although it might be a bit too subtle for subscribers to realise that there might be more if they take the trouble to look.

Chris


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

ro-esp
 

Mark, the only thing I am used to seeing when people use "reply to sender" is them adding "off-list" to the subjectline. I'm not aware of any custom adding "DM", and "private" SOUNDS like it's something else... like you don't want to "tell" the rest of the group.

So unless there is some custom somewhere outside my view, I think it would be most prudent to just let it say "off-list"

[and looking at the private-button now, I think it should have another colour. Why not the same green as the "reply to group" one?]


groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 08:14 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
it almost seems that users are not aware that the initial landing page is still there
Very good point. It still being there is not what saves this situation, though. It's that it's still there but clickless - in other words, as you say here:

You will now only go to the Feed page if you specifically choose to go there.
That was not the case prior to the change..
 
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moderated Re: (Groups.io) Feed; a Possible Limitation

 

That's a really good point, and something that had been unconsciously bothering me. I know there are a few really active topics in my group that have failed to appear. I don't know what the solution is.
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J

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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

By all of the "hate" comments, it almost seems that users are not aware that the initial landing page is still there and has not been changed or removed. This is just a new view, feel free not to use it.

If you found yourself apparently stuck on the Feed view, click on the "Your Groups" choice on the left side of the page and you are back to the safety of the previous landing page. You will now only go to the Feed page if you specifically choose to go there.

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Gerald


moderated (Groups.io) Feed; a Possible Limitation

Chris Jones
 

Having looked a bit more at the Feed page I find myself wondering if there is an inherent limitation as it currently stands; I have started a new topic rather than bolt this on to a thread that is already enormously long.

Each of an Account Holder's groups shows "Active Topics", and it looks as though "Active" is defined as those 5 topics to which posts have been sent most recently. An effect of this is to push a perhaps busy topic down the list to the point where it falls off the bottom purely on the basis that there have been posts to 5 other topics since the "busy" one received a post.

Any Subscriber working solely from the Feed might easily miss what is still an active topic because it has been pushed off the bottom of the list; OK it might pop up again sometime later, but again it may not. In the meantime unless our specimen subscriber goes to Topics view the posts to the "busy" topic risk not being seen.

I know that there has to be a cut - off for inclusion in the Active Topics list, but I wonder if 5 is the correct number. My own preferred starting point is the My Groups list, and a quick glance at the times visible on that page, along with the times for the most recent posting on any topic on any given group tells me where to look for anything new. As currently formatted the Feed page may mislead subscribers into believing that the lists presented there are all they need to catch up since they last visited, and that may very well not be true.

In case anyone is wondering I must stress that I am not arguing against the existence of the Feed page, merely querying if the limit of 5 Active Topics is necessarily appropriate or if it is potentially misleading.

Chris


moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

LOL! Train that puppy. 
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J

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moderated Re: What do you like best about Feeds?

 

Although I take issue with the question being explicitly addressed only to people who actively use feeds, because many groups.io users may not fall into that category, it is a good question.

What I like is being able to specify what is and what is not of interest to me. I don't want, for example, every activity by every FB friend shoved in my face in that feed.  

In the groups.io feed, as it currently exists (although I would not, strictly speaking, call it a "feed," as mentioned before), there is absolutely no consideration given to user preference. Every group I'm in is included, some of which I have more interest in than others. That forces a lot of scrolling on me. Maybe I don't want an extremely active group in which I have the least amount of interest, which is more active than the others just because it has 5,000 members (or other reasons), to constantly appear at the top and force me to scroll through all its activity each and every time. Maybe I don't want some of my groups included at all.

Maybe I never use chats and have zero interest in them, no matter which group they're occurring in. Or new files. And yet, there again, currently I am forced to scroll through chats (and files) of every single group to get to the info that is actually of interest to me. 

Instead of scrolling through pages of what to me is a bunch of junk, I avoid the feed page altogether and am glad, due to the insistence of some of us, that there is now a clickless way to do that. Making the feed the landing page for everyone was a big problem.

If groups.io could allow users to customize their feed by stating their preferences, even with a simple yes/no checkbox for each group and each kind of activity, that would make the feed something that I might actually use instead of having to manuever around.
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Ro
 

im sorry but my new dog just peed in the house and that has to take priority over a long discussion.  Although he is of course interested in all feed issues.  But he aint the boss of me,,,,,,yet.

Ro


moderated What do you like best about Feeds?

Maria
 

Starting a new topic.

Hoping those who regularly use platforms that have feed pages, and who regularly use the web for participation, as well as apps and mobile web can share what they most value in the feeds they like the best/spend most time on.

While I know there are RSS news aggregator feeds, for the purpose of discussion, I am using the commonly use definition that a feed is a vertical layout - in reverse chronological order - of activity within a platform or which the platform collects for the user. Some feeds have sub-streams.

Maria


moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Maria
 

I am curious:

Ro: What specifically do you not like about it?
What feed pages do you like? Can you give examples of feed pages you check regularly and what you like about them?
What do you feel the goal of a feed page ought to be?

Leeni: What do you like about the feed page on Fotki or other platforms you use that have feed pages?

To those who do not enjoy the feed page, obviously by now you know you don't have to use it, it's not a replacement for anything - it's an addition.
But I am curious: what feed pages DO you enjoy and regularly refer to? What do you feel a feed page should accomplish and feature in a site where content is user generated?

Maybe this belongs in a new topic where we can share constructive criticism to make this new feature even better.
And if you don't believe in the purpose of feeds at all, or don't want one, don't use any other sites that have them, or feel they are necessary - that's kind of a different story?


Maria


moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Ro
 

At the risk of being given a time out, I have to say I absolutely detest the new "landing/feed" page.  No one I know of has ever complained about the previous version.   If I need a landing, I will call NASA.     Yeah, if it aint broke, dont fix it.

Ro

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