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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:45 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I'm hoping that my comment on your suggestion might edge it closer to the top of Mark's to-do list.
Thanks, me too! In all honesty, it's not a high-priority item. More of a "it would be nice" thing, esp. since seems easy to do.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

Maria
 

Hi Shal

This is probably worth it's own separate thread, but I think it's more useful if I see how it all feels in a week. As with any interface change/IOS change/ phone change - it may be that in a week I'm totally used to the way it is. Not sure right now.

I use mobile web / apps a lot, so, I also need to contextualize it to that experience when there isn't a mouse/desktop present, and time/dexterity is even more limited. I also need to think about it in terms of what is relevant to me as an admin and irrelevant to members. Members are not constantly checking to see what pending stuff they need to deal with. It's a different set of priorities for them. Perhaps it's simply an admin specific area needed. But will stop there.

Maria


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

Maria
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:43 AM, Noel Leaver wrote:

It seems sufficiently obscure that people can't find it even when looking for it.

 

I disagree re: obscurity. I think the reply interface was updated (2016?) to the current layout for replies. We have had very few accidental group replies as a result of the layout. I think it helps tremendously with that and mirrors the private reply option on a few other widely used platforms. Especially on a mobile screen, it's very easy to locate. Folks in our groups use the private reply option a lot.

I can see how with large desktop screens it may feel too far away, not sure there is a fix for that.

FWIW the groups I moderate/help with are on in the mid-size range/frequent activity, and I only mention that as data because if people were routinely confused, we'd definitely be getting complaints, but also as reassurance in case your members are new to the platform, that ours got a hang of it real quick.

I am satisfied with the way it is at the moment and would be very apprehensive about any major change to it.

Maria


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Maria
 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 04:35 AM, Jeremy H wrote:
But unfortunately not the - presumably related - issue of the 'Your Groups' link at the top of Topics and Hashtags views, which now seems to have rather random effects as to where you go: I suspect it is actually coded to take you to the remembered/default 'home page', rather than 'Your Groups' as it states.
Just as a data point, I have not noticed any odd behavior. If I click on the "Your Groups" navigation tab ( second from top) on the left hand side of desktop browser view when on https://groups.io I get the behavior I would expect and that is the "Your Groups" page and never anything else.  It seems to be working as it should for me. Maybe it was fixed, but didn't notice this yesterday and I played around with it a lot.

Maria


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Jeremy H
 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 04:22 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,
 
I've made the following change: we now remember which 'home page' you were last on, whether that's the Feed page, the Groups page, or the Topics page, and we return to that page the next time you go to https://groups.io (or click on the logo). Also, I've fixed the column sorting issue with the Groups page.
 
Thanks,
Mark
But unfortunately not the - presumably related - issue of the 'Your Groups' link at the top of Topics and Hashtags views, which now seems to have rather random effects as to where you go: I suspect it is actually coded to take you to the remembered/default 'home page', rather than 'Your Groups' as it states.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Bounced emails

Dave Sergeant
 

For what it is worth, I had an identical error a couple of weeks ago
using 1&1 SMTP (any groups.io address), occurred suddenly but now seems
to have been cured while doing nothing my end. While it was failing I
used my alternative BTInternet SMTP.

I was going to contact Mark via the support line but didn't get round
to it. Yes, not really an issue for beta but Mark himself has
discusseed bounces here in the past.

Dave

On 26 Mar 2019 at 14:44, Toby Kraft wrote:

What it is saying is that server lb02.groups.io (Remote-MTA) rejected
the message for kasergames@groups.io (Final-Recipient) with error
"invalid request".

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Reply to Sender

 

Noel,

... and then notice the greyed out button on the right "Private" and
realise this is the same as reply to sender, and that it is not greyed
out because not available but because the option is not selected.
I agree that grey, which usually signifies a control that is not available (doesn't "click"), is a very poor choice for a button that is actually intended to be used.

I would prefer to have a button labelled "Reply to Sender" alongside
"Reply to Group" and get rid of the Private button.
It was once that way. The criticism was that it made it too easy for members to accidentally click the wrong one.

I realise this gives something of an issue with the BCC me option -
how valuable is this?
It is IMO essential for private replies, as otherwise you have no copy of message you sent.

could it be shown anyway and ignored for Reply to Group.
I don't see the harm in leaving it present and functional. A person whose subscription is Digest, Special Notice, or No Email might find it useful to have an emailed copy of their reply.

Shal


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

J,

Totally, which was I was flummoxed by your mentioning it. :-)
I find the UI design aspects interesting.

The challenge (for Mark, ultimately) is to let the user ask for the result you want, within the style of the site and, hopefully, leveraging existing concepts and controls in a way that makes the function easily discoverable. In this case, that UI choice happens to suggest an implementation modeled on the implementation of the existing date sort.

I'm hoping that my comment on your suggestion might edge it closer to the top of Mark's to-do list.

Shal


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:19 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
this one seems fairly pedestrian.
Totally, which was I was flummoxed by your mentioning it. :-)
 
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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

J,

Shal, I'd say you're talking about the UI here (how it would look to
the user), not the implementation. Sure, it could look like that.
♫ Because you know I'm all about that look,
'Bout that look, no coding

I only worry about implementation if the suggestion seems challenging, but this one seems fairly pedestrian.

Shal


moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

Maria,

Maybe we simply need the Your Groups button no matter where we are on
the site - we used to use the LOGO.
Interesting idea.

One possibility would be to make it the top entry in the Your Groups drop-list. That's still two clicks though.

I don't think I want it below the Logo bar when visiting a group's pages; currently everything below the bar (and above the footer) is group-specific when visiting a group's pages, and I think that's a good design choice.

Shal


moderated Re: Suggestion-calendar feature

Maria
 

I'm late on this. I see the inconvenience mentioned by Charlie and Gina, but we were enjoying that cal-invite automatically checked on.

After the default was changed to that we just adjusted by moderating the cal-invite hashtag, so that no errors would come through if a member made a mistake setting up an event, and so we could make sure that there are not an unreasonable amount of reminders. 
Having cal-invite checked off by default helped ensure that no one set up an event and forgot to announce it. Which has happened several times and made for surprised members when the first they heard of an event was via a reminder close to the date.

It's ok - we will deal with it! We can manage.  Our group didn't ask for the cal-invite to be checked on by default, but we thought it was a good idea.

I wonder if there is any way for mods to be alerted if a member sets up an event but doesn't check off cal-invite?
Mods could go in and correct that then.
Or for the member to be reminded that they are forgetting to announce their event.

Thank you!
Maria


moderated Re: Suggestion-calendar feature

 

Hi All,

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:18 PM Charlie Behnken <charles.behnken@...> wrote:
I want to add my voice also as being unhappy with this change to set the 'Send Invite To Group'  default to 'Checked'.

I have changed it back to not being checked by default.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Suggestion-calendar feature

Charlie Behnken
 

I want to add my voice also as being unhappy with this change to set the 'Send Invite To Group'  default to 'Checked'.

In my case I was creating two place holder  calendar entries that got sent to my group inadvertently which is causing a bit of confusion and embarrassment on my part.  I have created temporary entries many times in the past without sending out notifications, so the change caught me by surprise.  At first I thought it was my fault until I saw it in the change log.

As for forgetting to sent out notifications, that is easily corrected by editing the event and checking  Send Invite to Group, where as  forgetting to uncheck the box is not easily corrected.

Thanks
Charlie


moderated Re: Bounced emails

Toby Kraft
 

Furthermore, this group is for enhancements to groups.io.  Not for support questions.


moderated Re: Bounced emails

Toby Kraft
 

The essence of the error is contained in these sections of the message:
This part is the text explanation:
--1553608364-eximdsn-1711883849
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
  kasergames@groups.io
    host lb02.groups.io [173.255.221.194]
    SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<kasergames@groups.io>:
    500 Invalid request

This part is the error message (delivery-status):
--1553608364-eximdsn-1711883849
Content-type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: dns; se3-lax1.servconfig.com
Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;kasergames@groups.io
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; lb02.groups.io
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 500 Invalid request
 
What it is saying is that server lb02.groups.io (Remote-MTA) rejected the message for kasergames@groups.io (Final-Recipient) with error "invalid request".

Since that appears to be a valid email address, this should be reported to support <at> groups.io so Mark can investigate.  He's very good at it, by the way.

Toby
 


moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Bill Burns <ftldny@...>
 

On 3/26/2019 1:04 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:14 AM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
/I would like to suggest that a message to the owners stating the
change and date to be implemented before a major change is rolled
out to all groups so that we can warn our members./
Agree, definitely need this in the future.
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Just like Yahoo always used to do! :-)

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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

Sharon Villines
 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 01:14 PM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
I would like to suggest that a message to the owners stating the change and date to be implemented before a major change is rolled out to all groups so that we can warn our members.
I find that for most people reading email is an automatic thing that they don’t think about until they sign on and find changes. Telling them in advance can be confusing because they can’t see what I’m talking about, and it just triggers more questions — usually that I can’t answer. It also puts them in the position of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Once there is a change, I can send a screenshot which is much clearer. When people started talking about a feed, I was thinking in terms of one feed with all the recent messages, for example, and had lots of questions.

As soon as the change is implemented I can explain and attach a screen shot.

I do appreciate it that the previous choice is still there. When one has 30 groups the feed is really overwhelming and not very useful, but I can see how some would like it.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines, Washington DC

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moderated Re: Feed view now the default

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:14 AM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
I would like to suggest that a message to the owners stating the change and date to be implemented before a major change is rolled out to all groups so that we can warn our members.
Agree, definitely need this in the future.
 
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moderated Re: Maintain Defaults Whenever Practical #suggestion

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:21 AM, HR Tech wrote:
Beauty is the harmony of function and form -  Alvar Aalto
Function influence but does not dictate form - Eero Saarinen
Form and function should be one, joined in a spiritual union.- Frank Lloyd Wright
Form and function are a unity, two sides of one coin. In order to enhance function, appropriate form must exist or be created - Ida Rolf
Form Ever Follows Function - Louis Henry Sullivan
Agreed, especially the last.
 
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