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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

Duane, I think we've been through this, and everybody always advises me to make my browser remember it, bla bla. In this case, I seem to be one of those naive users. Groups.io seems to remember in some of my groups but not others, seemingly randomly, and I've just gotten used to it. I will gladly report this as a bug if someone can assure me that it is actually one and not a missing feature. Thanks.


On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:57 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 09:30 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
groups.io pushes it on me by refusing to remember my last view.
If that's the case, you should report the bug to support.  I have no trouble with it remember which view I last used.

Duane


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moderated Re: Reply to Sender

Dave Sergeant
 

On 25 Mar 2019 at 14:43, Noel Leaver via Groups.Io wrote:

The email interface is fine, as it has a 'Reply to Sender' link as well
as a 'Reply to Group' link.
Only on the HTML part of email messages, those who opt for (or who post
in) plain text are missing that.

I agree with your comment, I am also often asked the same question or
'please tell me your email address'. which is always visible in the
'from' line of emails, though may be munged, but the 'from' on the web
version is shortened for security reasons.

Dave

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 09:30 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
groups.io pushes it on me by refusing to remember my last view.
If that's the case, you should report the bug to support.  I have no trouble with it remember which view I last used.

Duane


moderated Reply to Sender

Noel Leaver
 

I've twice had users of the web interface complaining that there is no way to 'Reply to Sender'. I have to explain that it is there, but you need first to reply (which is not obvious, as it feels like reply to group) and then notice the greyed out button on the right  "Private" and realise this is the same as reply to sender, and that it is not greyed out because not available but because the option is not selected.

 

It seems sufficiently obscure that people can't find it even when looking for it.

 

The email interface is fine, as it has a 'Reply to Sender' link as well as a 'Reply to Group' link.

 

I would prefer to have a button labelled "Reply to Sender" alongside "Reply to Group" and get rid of the Private button. I realise this gives something of an issue with the BCC me option - how valuable is this? could it be shown anyway and ignored for Reply to Group.

 

Or to have both Reply to Group and Reply to Sender options under the message display a level up.

 

Another option, less of a change, would be to alter the Private button to be a check box above the Reply to Group button, that way it would be more noticeable and more clearly associated with the Reply button.

 

Noel


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 07:10 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
As you can probably tell, I hardly ever venture into Topics view.
I would never venture into it either, except that groups.io pushes it on me by refusing to remember my last view. :)
 
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

 

One more comment on the notion that's frequently propagated here to the effect that "there's already a way to do this, we don't need another one." I think if you call the alternate way a "short cut," in general it might get more respect. Nobody has anything against shortcuts to be used under certain situations and conditions where there's something simple and immediate the user wants. So why on earth not provide the shortcut if it's simple? Nobody has to use it or even be aware of it if they don't want to. There are tons of shortcuts available in all the software I use and I'm generally oblivious to them. But why should I fight against them?

That's besides the fact that there's at least one other use-case I mentioned for this feature, besides the one for which it was originally suggested, where someone may simply want a hard copy of a particular message in their inbox (for other reasons besides not being able or wanting to log on). They may want to forward it or whatever. And there may others.

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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:07 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:04 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Not topics that were recently created.
EDIT: It does not show only topics that were recently created, which is what I'm requesting. Topics view or collapse topics may show 20 or 100 topics with recent activity above one or two new ones, if the activity on those 20 or 100 occurred after creation of the two new ones.
 
We crossed posts here as I had a couple of short internet outages. Now that you've explained it, I do see that behavior. As you can probably tell, I hardly ever venture into Topics view.

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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:26 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
isn't what you are asking for the "Topics" view
No, I already explained why it's not and gave an example. But I do like your idea of calling it "First posts only." Now you're not zero for one any more. :)
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 02:39 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Sometimes I'd like to see all the new topics that were started recently, or during a certain time interval.
I'm already zero for one this morning in making suggestions for suggestions, but isn't what you are asking for the "Topics" view?

I suppose specific checkboxes for searching "First post" and Subject Line" only options could be useful. On the other hand, the "-" or NOT idea would be an excellent improvement in general, but I think the "Search" improvement project is already on Mark's list.

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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 05:48 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
You currently can't search for a term that occurs in the first post of a topic.
That's very true, but I don't care much (or at all) about searching within the first posts of topics. I just care about finding them. However, my request, if implemented, would also make it easy to search within them.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

This could (I think) easily be implemented by excluding all posts starting with "Re" and the tool could be called "new topics only". Or something like that.


On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 6:07 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:04 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Not topics that were recently created.
EDIT: It does not show only topics that were recently created, which is what I'm requesting. Topics view or collapse topics may show 20 or 100 topics with recent activity above one or two new ones, if the activity on those 20 or 100 occurred after creation of the two new ones.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:04 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Not topics that were recently created.
EDIT: It does not show only topics that were recently created, which is what I'm requesting. Topics view or collapse topics may show 20 or 100 topics with recent activity above one or two new ones, if the activity on those 20 or 100 occurred after creation of the two new ones.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 05:37 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
What is wrong with the existing Tools > Collapse Topics?
That does not even resemble what I'm asking for. First, I'm not doing a search on any search term (although you could add that). Second, I want to see all *new* (as in *recent*) topics. Any current view of topics shows topics with the latest *activity*. Not topics that were recently created.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/03/25 01:37 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

What is wrong with the existing Tools > Collapse Topics?
"Collapse Topics" remove the non-first posts from view only if those posts do not contain the search term. You currently can't search for a term that occurs in the first post of a topic. If the term occurs in the second post only, then the topic is shown as a match. AFAICS.

Samuel


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

What is wrong with the existing Tools > Collapse Topics?

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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

Donald Hellen
 

J_Catlady . . .

On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:39:22 -0700, "J_Catlady"
<j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

it would be helpful to be able to do a search that returns just the first messages of all topics, in chrono order. So the suggestion is to include in search tools exclusion of all messages beginning with "Re:"
That would make searching for a topic much easier instead of having to
sort through many messages all on the same topic, then another topic,
then another topic, and in the current search function, these would no
doubt be mixed in with others (in chronological order). It would take
a while to find the one you want. I think you can do this with Yahoo
groups if you use PG Offline and an advanced Boolean search using
"re:" for the NOT term. I've never thought of using that in PGO.

Maybe once you open the a post in the search list (which woudl be the
first post in that thread), then you could see all posts in that
thread listed, and a way to go back to the search would be part of
this function.

Donald


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moderated search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

Sometimes I'd like to see all the new topics that were started recently, or during a certain time interval. To that end, it would be helpful to be able to do a search that returns just the first messages of all topics, in chrono order.  So the suggestion is to include in search tools exclusion of all messages beginning with "Re:"  There are probably other ways to describe/implement this in the search tools, but that's the way that occurs to me.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Bob Bellizzi
 

You obviously misread the request and  are reacting on an incorrect assumption
Go back and read from the beginning.  Catlady understood and so did Brian but not you
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

 

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 05:24 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
I think this suggestion is a waste of time
What's so awful about helping people out? But forget helping people out. What if someone wants a copy of a message in their email so that they can forward it to someone else? In our group, that might be useful for people who want to forward a message to their veterinarian, for example. Our group members tend to be very internet savvy and people are using the website all the time. I don't think it would be coddling them to provide this feature. Not that I have anything against coddling in the first place. Call it good service, or good old user-friendliness.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Bob Bellizzi at 3/24/2019 10:33 PM UTC:

Jim H, We already have a considerable amount of collateral literature, in a couple of languages. While this is helpful, it's never the entire answer.We also have experts' videos professionally edited from our symposiums.
"I bet you're thinking about preparing a template response containing directions and then paste the message number to be used with those directions into it."
WRONG, that's what the WIKI is for and we have a great one with short, informative, simple instructions.

And how do all those folks who are too unsavvy to take a message number and find the corresponding message via the web interface deal with a Wiki that can only be accessed via the web interface?


We do everything we can to help these people in their journey through their genetic disease even if it means we need to be nice to them <g>. You won't have much word of mouth or other good publicity by being a storm trooper. That just doesn't work in our world.

Bob Bellizzi

Yet another strawman. No one is suggesting being a storm trooper.

I guess what I'm suggesting is that "unsavvy" subscribers is getting worn out as a reason for fringe enhancement requests that involve contacting a mentor who can't be bothered to forward a copy of a message, but rather forwards only the message number and instructions on how to "call" that message by sending a very specifically formatted email.

I think this suggestion is a waste of time and that a perfectly good alternative is already available.

Jim H

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