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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 05:48 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
You currently can't search for a term that occurs in the first post of a topic.
That's very true, but I don't care much (or at all) about searching within the first posts of topics. I just care about finding them. However, my request, if implemented, would also make it easy to search within them.
 
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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

This could (I think) easily be implemented by excluding all posts starting with "Re" and the tool could be called "new topics only". Or something like that.


On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 6:07 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:04 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Not topics that were recently created.
EDIT: It does not show only topics that were recently created, which is what I'm requesting. Topics view or collapse topics may show 20 or 100 topics with recent activity above one or two new ones, if the activity on those 20 or 100 occurred after creation of the two new ones.
 
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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 06:04 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Not topics that were recently created.
EDIT: It does not show only topics that were recently created, which is what I'm requesting. Topics view or collapse topics may show 20 or 100 topics with recent activity above one or two new ones, if the activity on those 20 or 100 occurred after creation of the two new ones.
 
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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 05:37 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
What is wrong with the existing Tools > Collapse Topics?
That does not even resemble what I'm asking for. First, I'm not doing a search on any search term (although you could add that). Second, I want to see all *new* (as in *recent*) topics. Any current view of topics shows topics with the latest *activity*. Not topics that were recently created.
 
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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/03/25 01:37 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

What is wrong with the existing Tools > Collapse Topics?
"Collapse Topics" remove the non-first posts from view only if those posts do not contain the search term. You currently can't search for a term that occurs in the first post of a topic. If the term occurs in the second post only, then the topic is shown as a match. AFAICS.

Samuel


moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

What is wrong with the existing Tools > Collapse Topics?

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moderated Re: search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

Donald Hellen
 

J_Catlady . . .

On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:39:22 -0700, "J_Catlady"
<j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

it would be helpful to be able to do a search that returns just the first messages of all topics, in chrono order. So the suggestion is to include in search tools exclusion of all messages beginning with "Re:"
That would make searching for a topic much easier instead of having to
sort through many messages all on the same topic, then another topic,
then another topic, and in the current search function, these would no
doubt be mixed in with others (in chronological order). It would take
a while to find the one you want. I think you can do this with Yahoo
groups if you use PG Offline and an advanced Boolean search using
"re:" for the NOT term. I've never thought of using that in PGO.

Maybe once you open the a post in the search list (which woudl be the
first post in that thread), then you could see all posts in that
thread listed, and a way to go back to the search would be part of
this function.

Donald


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moderated search suggestion - first posts of all new topics

 

Sometimes I'd like to see all the new topics that were started recently, or during a certain time interval. To that end, it would be helpful to be able to do a search that returns just the first messages of all topics, in chrono order.  So the suggestion is to include in search tools exclusion of all messages beginning with "Re:"  There are probably other ways to describe/implement this in the search tools, but that's the way that occurs to me.
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Bob Bellizzi
 

You obviously misread the request and  are reacting on an incorrect assumption
Go back and read from the beginning.  Catlady understood and so did Brian but not you
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

 

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 05:24 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
I think this suggestion is a waste of time
What's so awful about helping people out? But forget helping people out. What if someone wants a copy of a message in their email so that they can forward it to someone else? In our group, that might be useful for people who want to forward a message to their veterinarian, for example. Our group members tend to be very internet savvy and people are using the website all the time. I don't think it would be coddling them to provide this feature. Not that I have anything against coddling in the first place. Call it good service, or good old user-friendliness.
 
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Bob Bellizzi at 3/24/2019 10:33 PM UTC:

Jim H, We already have a considerable amount of collateral literature, in a couple of languages. While this is helpful, it's never the entire answer.We also have experts' videos professionally edited from our symposiums.
"I bet you're thinking about preparing a template response containing directions and then paste the message number to be used with those directions into it."
WRONG, that's what the WIKI is for and we have a great one with short, informative, simple instructions.

And how do all those folks who are too unsavvy to take a message number and find the corresponding message via the web interface deal with a Wiki that can only be accessed via the web interface?


We do everything we can to help these people in their journey through their genetic disease even if it means we need to be nice to them <g>. You won't have much word of mouth or other good publicity by being a storm trooper. That just doesn't work in our world.

Bob Bellizzi

Yet another strawman. No one is suggesting being a storm trooper.

I guess what I'm suggesting is that "unsavvy" subscribers is getting worn out as a reason for fringe enhancement requests that involve contacting a mentor who can't be bothered to forward a copy of a message, but rather forwards only the message number and instructions on how to "call" that message by sending a very specifically formatted email.

I think this suggestion is a waste of time and that a perfectly good alternative is already available.

Jim H


moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Bob Bellizzi
 

Jim H,

We already have a considerable amount of collateral literature, in a couple of languages.  While this is helpful, it's never the entire answer.
We also have experts' videos professionally edited from our symposiums.

"I bet you're thinking about preparing a template response containing directions and then paste the message number to be used with those directions into it. "
WRONG, that's what the WIKI is for and we have a great one with short, informative, simple instructions.

We do everything we can to help these people in their journey through their genetic disease even if it means we need to be nice to them <g>. 
You won't have much word of mouth or other good publicity by being a storm trooper.
That just doesn't work in our world.

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Bob Bellizzi

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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Ginny T.
 

Oh thank you, thank you, thank you.....
Ginny


On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:27 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
NEW: Remember sort field/order for the Photos section (not yet viewing a specific album).

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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 01:43 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
So Brian, it's sink or swim right off the bat you throw them into the deep end and if they don't get it, their tough luck?

We are focused on helping the patient regain their functions rather than teaching them how to use the internet.  It may be inefficient but it's effective and has been for almost 2 decades.
Great strawman, that's for sure.  Nothing I said, nothing, implies that people should not be patiently taught how to get to a group archive and search it.

And part of helping someone, regardless of the issue at hand, is teaching them to be independent in the tools that they're using or started using.  Accessing a group archive for individuals who have any given issue, and are interested in what others who have the same one have said (probably many times) over time, is an essential skill in the circumstances you describe.  Period.
 
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 05:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Hey, that's how I ran my choirs. You either do things my way, or theres the door.
And I've been in choirs, and other organizations, that are run that way and they generally run more smoothly than those where everything has to suit everybody (which it never can and never will).

Every time someone "can't do something" that can be easily done, if they bother to learn how, the solution isn't to do it for them, but teach them how to do it themselves.  You've seen me use this technique, and in no uncertain terms, on several groups we both frequent and two of which I moderate.

I prefer to teach people how to be independent and how to do the things that any modern computer user should know how to do.  And that includes for clients of all ages and existing skill levels.  I do them no favors by pretending that spoon feeding is going to be the norm when issues arise.

Patiently explaining to those who don't know how to use features that already exist should be the first order of business.
 
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Bob Bellizzi at 3/24/2019 08:45 PM UTC:

We do teach them but first you have to reduce the stress and angst levels by providing useful information about the subject that was the reason they came to you in the first place.

But the stress levels can be reduced faster by just emailing them the information instead of sending them a message number along with directions about how to send an email request in a very specific format in order to get that info.

I bet you're thinking about preparing a template response containing directions and then paste the message number to be used with those directions into it. Why not just prepare templates with information on the disease. As many as there are variants of the disease, and send them as needed? Cut out that middle part involving "calling" the message that does nothing to reduce stress and angst.

Jim H


moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hey, that's how I ran my choirs. You either do things my way, or theres the door. By the way all of the students stayed and cried a lot when I had to leave due to some things that happened. But I didn't slow down for them either. I'm down with that.

Take care

On 24 Mar 2019, at 13:55, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

Sarah,
That would be a great way for a Charitable institution to operate.
"Hey you, it's my way or the highway! You have 3 days to learn how to use the system or we kick you out!"
We could even use some of that attitude on our donation thank you notes, or maybe imprint this on the envelopes
"hey, stupid, get with the program and give us more money"

Hopefully, Mark will lock this thread before it degenerates even further
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moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Bob Bellizzi
 

Sarah,
That would be a great way for a Charitable institution to operate.
"Hey you, it's my way or the highway! You have 3 days to learn how to use the system or we kick you out!"
We could even use some of that attitude on our donation thank you notes, or maybe imprint this on the envelopes
"hey, stupid, get with the program and give us more money"

Hopefully, Mark will lock this thread before it degenerates even further
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Sarah k Alawami
 

I do believe in the sync or swim idea myself. As my prof of a class said to us, you either say with me or get left behind, and I'm not slowing down for you.

On 24 Mar 2019, at 10:43, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 09:24 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Most of the groups I am on here are not frequented by tech geeks and virtually all of them, save this one and the Group Managers Forum, are used by individuals of all ages who are blind or visually impaired.   All of them are "sophisticated enough" to know how to click through on a link to read something and, if they are not, they need to become so.
So Brian, it's sink or swim right off the bat you throw them into the deep end and if they don't get it, their tough luck?

We are focused on helping the patient regain their functions rather than teaching them how to use the internet.  It may be inefficient but it's effective and has been for almost 2 decades.
 
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Suggested Feature - Provide email "call" for a message by specifying the message number

Bob Bellizzi
 

We do teach them but first you have to reduce the stress and angst levels by providing useful information about the subject that was the reason they came to you in the first place.

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Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

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