Mark,

* CHANGE: When adding/editing an event, check by default the 'Send
Invite To Group' option.

I'm confused. I thought it already was, and that was the complaint:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/30699549#20418

Shal

Thanks so much, Mark! That seems to be a solution that could please everyone. It will be helpful to my groups to see the newest photo in each album first, but we liked the albums themselves sorted by title, so now we can have both just by choosing "sort by title" for our albums and they will stay that way. It is so refreshing to have the management of IO Groups actually responding to the needs and wants of the group owners, unlike Yahoo. You have reaffirmed that our decision to move our groups here was the right one. Annick

My favorite would be
SendMeMessage#xyz
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On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 03:26 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

you're ordering it off a menu

...or ordering it for delivery. :)
 
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On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 02:59 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Call seems a bit obscure. How about +retrieve ? Or even +GetMessage ?

I was thinking "OrderMessage." Like you're ordering it off a menu. :)
 
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Bob Bellizzi wrote:

To make it possible, it would be helpful to have a special email
"command" that calls to have a specific message returned to the
"caller" regardless of their email setup definition (no email, special
notices, digest, individual, whatever), the message would be emailed
to them after they initiated the call.

and later:

e.g. xyzgroup+call@groups.io (with a subject of )14587

Call seems a bit obscure. How about +retrieve ? Or even +GetMessage ?

Either way, it sounds like the email-command equivalent of the web Send-to-me feature I proposed once long ago.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/2195268

In your use case it seems like you'd want the ability to call a message that was posted before you joined the group; that seems a fairly likely case when a "mentor" is directing you to a prior message. That would break a protection I suggested back then.

So it re-opens the question of whether there needs to be any protection against having a new(ish) group member collect all of the group's history by calling for the messages sequentially. For my groups I'd rather have the feature than not, so I hope there's an answer that Mark will be comfortable with implementing.

Shal

Possibly, or from an individual message received via email, or, in response to a request from a member one of our "mentors" might run a search and provide the message number.
Or, in a more recent email a member tells a correspondent that the procedure is described in message number NNNNNNN.
The correspondent, not one to "do the internet" can then "call" for that particular email to be sent to them.
Think of it as a remote access request for specific information.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

Bare bones description w/o reasons:
Provide an additional email command, similar to those for changing email delivery,
to give email only members the ability to have a specific, by number, message emailed direct to them.

e.g. xyzgroup+call@groups.io (with a subject of )14587

would cause that numbered message to be transmitted to that member's email address.

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I'm not sure I'm understanding the idea. Is this so a member can have a message re-sent to them by the system rather than having to go to the web page to read it?

Dano

Ok. Totally distinct idea from mine and I can see where it might be useful.
One question: how would the member know the message number they want to receive in the first place? From the digest or summary?
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

Bare bones description w/o reasons:
Provide an additional email command, similar to those for changing email delivery, 
to give email only members the ability to have a specific, by number, message emailed direct to them.

e.g. xyzgroup+call@groups.io   (with a subject of )14587

would cause that numbered message to be transmitted to that member's email address.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

While I don't understand the details of this request, I may have a similar request, namely: it would be very convenient to have a way to alert a certain group member to a specific a message, either by emailing it to them specifically, or emailing them a link to it, or some sort of notification. I am thinking more or less of an @ feature. This may have been requested in the past, and this may or may not be related to Bob's request.
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I realized that most of our 3500 member depend on email rather that online communication so specifying a message number for answer's to questions and even public or other wiki doesn't help them.  
While we group congisetti move back and forth between online and email, my and many other groups' member's average age tends to put them in the "not hot on internet" set and many of the features that make groups.io so great are useless to them.

Our main group for patient advocacy is for a genetic disease area that is currently very dynamic, with new surgeries and non-surgical remedies emerging.  Some subset of people will spend their lives avoiding vision restoring surgery waiting for the ngc (next great cure), and some of those are actually showing up.
So we have NGCs and people who want them. 
To make it possible, it would be helpful to have a special email "command" that calls to have a specific message returned to the "caller" regardless of their email setup definition (no email, special notices, digest, individual, whatever), the message would be emailed to them after they initiated the call.

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 07:46 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I've changed the default sort for both the album view as well as within each album to be most recent first. This is how Flickr does it, and I think that's what everyone's asking for?

If the last sentence is true then IMHO it reinforces the old agage of "be careful what you ask for". I have spent a lot of time with "historical" photos within albums to put photos in a sensible order by renaming photos as 01:, 02:, etc up to nn when nn ≤ 99. The new convention has played havoc with that and the photos now appear in a more or less random order. Now I accept that as an individual I can set them back using Sort by Title^ but I would much prefer to be able to set a Group default for both Albums and Photos back to the way things were.

At the moment, from my group's viewpoint, this change has not been an improvement. .

Chris

Mark, just letting you (and anyone else who may be wondering about this) know that I can no longer find the example of nor reproduce this logging issue. I think the logging is fine and will not be emailing you at support. Thanks.
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Is all Yahoo? In our group Yahoo.uk has been affected but .com not - so far.

Regards

Changes to the site this week:

• NEW: Remember sort field/order for the Photos section (not yet viewing a specific album).
• BUGFIX: If a subscription's display name was not set and the user's display name wasn't set, we would set ALL of the user's subscriptions to the name we pulled from the From line in an email. This would overwrite a display name previously set by a moderator.
• NEW: The /feed page is now feature complete, including displaying chats, wikis, databases, new subgroups, and recent images sent as attachments.
• CHANGE: In the Photos section, changed the default sort for albums and within albums to be most recent first.
• BUGFIX: Fixed obscure redirect bug because 'groups.io' is a suffix of the new enterprise group dgroups.io.
• INTERNAL: Parallelized the deletion of attachments from S3 when we delete a group, because it was taking too long.
• CHANGE: When viewing banned members, the column name is now Banned. When viewing normal members of a restricted group, the column name is now Applied.
• CHANGE: When banning someone, we record the moment the person is banned. Previously, if the person was a member, we kept the date the person applied/joined and used that.
• CHANGE: When adding/editing an event, check by default the 'Send Invite To Group' option.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark

Like Janice, I had set up a protocol for my group albums such that they would sort in a certain way by title, using the number 1 before the name of the first group (and those albums starting with 1 then sorted alphabetically), 2 before the next group, etc.  Having an automatic sort by "most recent" now would totally screw up the effort that was made to make the albums show up in a certain order.  I, too, would much prefer to allow each group to choose their default sort for albums and photos, or even better to allow each member's sort selection to be a "sticky" selection. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.  Annick

Mark that would be wonderful. Thanks so much.   Anita