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moderated Re: Action Required: Log in to Yahoo Mail to continue receiving emails

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 3/20/2019 04:18 PM UTC:

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 08:56 AM, Jim Higgins wrote:
It isn't Yahoo's fault if they don't write it down in a safe place.
LOL. Are you "blaming the user"? I did say "used to be" - aka, years ago, the last time I even bothered trying. You did it a few minutes ago.

How convenient that you quoted only a portion of what you said! You actually said, "It is (or used to be) impossible." In my experience it isn't and never was... if you follow directions and if the recovery contact info given to Yahoo is still accessible to the user. Both of those requirements are solely the responsibility of the user.


And yes, I would argue that it IS the software's fault if a user doesn't "write their password down in a safe place" and the system doesn't provide another means of logging in.

Please tell me you're kidding!!! Fault for lacking an alternate means of logging in is in no way related to the fault of a user failing to write down a password. That's an apples and golf balls comparison. It's ALWAYS the users' fault if they don't write down their password. OTOH, any site that doesn't offer password recovery is ignorant/incompetent beyond description. But whose fault a lost password is and what recovery methods are available remain two completely different things... at least to those who think critically. It's different if all one sees is disagreement that must be crushed at any expense.


Imagine if groups.io operated that way. This is just one of the (many) reasons why people have left yahoo in droves.

No, it isn't! I guess it's safe to exaggerate like that when surrounded by many who despise Yahoo, but if you'll calm down and be objective for a moment you'll realize that Yahoo has had password recovery since the beginning.

Jim H


moderated Re: On Topic

Samuel Murrayy
 

If you don't quote anything, Sharon, then no-one will know what you're referring to (except those that do).

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On 2019/03/20 05:40 PM, Sharon Villines via Groups.Io wrote:
Isn’t this the list for discussing new features in Groups.io?
Sharon


moderated Re: On Topic

 

True, but also sometimes, informational messages from Mark about yahoo, etc. Do you know how to mute topics?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated On Topic

Sharon Villines
 

Isn’t this the list for discussing new features in Groups.io?

Sharon


moderated Re: Action Required: Log in to Yahoo Mail to continue receiving emails

 

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 08:56 AM, Jim Higgins wrote:
It isn't Yahoo's fault if they don't write it down in a safe place.
LOL. Are you "blaming the user"? I did say "used to be" - aka, years ago, the last time I even bothered trying. You did it a few minutes ago.

And yes, I would argue that it IS the software's fault if a user doesn't "write their password down in a safe place" and the system doesn't provide another means of logging in. Imagine if groups.io operated that way. This is just one of the (many) reasons why people have left yahoo in droves.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Action Required: Log in to Yahoo Mail to continue receiving emails

Jim Higgins
 

That has never been my experience when helping several friends and wasn't my own experience a few minutes ago when I deliberately signed out of Yahoo and tried to log back in while pretending I'd forgotten my password.

Anyone forgetting their password can simply check the "Having trouble signing in" link and follow directions. Of course if someone can't access the email address or other recovery contact given to Yahoo for this purpose... then they're out of luck... but then that's hardly Yahoo's fault.

Upon receiving a recovery code from Yahoo via email (or other recovery route) - and mine arrived immediately - and entering it back on Yahoo, they're given a chance to select a new password. It isn't Yahoo's fault if they don't write it down in a safe place.

Jim H



Received from J_Catlady at 3/20/2019 01:41 AM UTC:

Right, and good luck logging in if you don't remember password. It is (or used to be) impossible.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:33 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@gmail.com> wrote:
This is the warning that since you aren't sending emails from your yahoo account that they will terminate that account.


moderated Re: Action Required: Log in to Yahoo Mail to continue receiving emails

Dave Wade
 

Its not too bad these days if you have a recovery e-mail or mobile. If any one still has Yahoo accounts, I suggest they check the recovery options.

 

Dave

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: 20 March 2019 01:42
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Action Required: Log in to Yahoo Mail to continue receiving emails

 

Right, and good luck logging in if you don't remember password. It is (or used to be) impossible. 

 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:33 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

This is the warning that since you aren't sending emails from your yahoo account that they will terminate that account.
For years they didn't warn people, just terminated them.  As yahoo group owners we had thousands of hard bounce members over a period of about 15 years.  Really stupid company.
-

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Action Required: Log in to Yahoo Mail to continue receiving emails

 

Right, and good luck logging in if you don't remember password. It is (or used to be) impossible. 


On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:33 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
This is the warning that since you aren't sending emails from your yahoo account that they will terminate that account.
For years they didn't warn people, just terminated them.  As yahoo group owners we had thousands of hard bounce members over a period of about 15 years.  Really stupid company.
-

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Action Required: Log in to Yahoo Mail to continue receiving emails

Bob Bellizzi
 

This is the warning that since you aren't sending emails from your yahoo account that they will terminate that account.
For years they didn't warn people, just terminated them.  As yahoo group owners we had thousands of hard bounce members over a period of about 15 years.  Really stupid company.
-

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Action Required: Log in to Yahoo Mail to continue receiving emails

Sharon Villines
 

This is the warning. 

When Yahoo started requiring people to open a yahoo email account to register I changed the instructions so they subscribed by email and avoided the hassle. That meant they couldn’t  access  files on the website but they were happier than if they had to sign up with Yahoo.

Now I’ve moved all my lists to Groups.io

Sharon

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Yahoo Service Announcement" <yahoo@...>
Subject: Action Required: Log in to Yahoo Mail to continue receiving emails
Date: March 19, 2019 at 5:48:27 PM EDT

Yahoo
Dear Yahoo Mail User,

We noticed that you haven't logged in to Yahoo Mail in more than 12 months. If you would like to continue receiving email in this account, please visit mail.yahoo.comand log in within the next 5 days. If you do not log back in, this account will stop receiving email messages and the contents of your mailbox, including all email messages, settings, and folders will be permanently deleted. 

For additional information, please visit the Yahoo Mail policy page athttps://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL&locale=en_ZZ&id=SLN2018&actp=productlink.

If you forgot your password or need help logging in, please visit this page athttps://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL&locale=en_ZZ&id=SLN2051&actp=productlink.

Sincerely,
The Yahoo Mail Team


moderated Re: Yahoo appears to be cleaning house

dave w
 

Appreciate the heads-up Mark.
davew


moderated Re: Yahoo appears to be cleaning house

Michael Pavan
 

On Mar 19, 2019, at 4:31 PM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Received from Michael Pavan at 3/19/2019 08:14 PM UTC:

Yahoo is disabling email accounts that haven't been logged into within the past 12 months.
This has been their policy for many years, though I'm not sure they always kept up with actually doing it.

I'm 100% sure they haven't actually been doing it as I haven't logged into a couple of accounts in several years.
In the past I lost several of my extra (Yahoo) email addresses for not having logged in within 12 months, so it seems they are 'on and off' about that - another unreliable Yahoo 'feature'.


moderated Re: Yahoo appears to be cleaning house

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Michael Pavan at 3/19/2019 08:14 PM UTC:

Yahoo is disabling email accounts that haven't been logged into within the past 12 months.
This has been their policy for many years, though I'm not sure they always kept up with actually doing it.

I'm 100% sure they haven't actually been doing it as I haven't logged into a couple of accounts in several years.

Jim H


moderated Re: Yahoo appears to be cleaning house

Michael Pavan
 

Yahoo is disabling email accounts that haven't been logged into within the past 12 months.
This has been their policy for many years, though I'm not sure they always kept up with actually doing it.


moderated Re: Yahoo appears to be cleaning house

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Mark Fletcher at 3/19/2019 02:24 PM UTC:

FYI, I'm seeing a lot of email being rejected by Yahoo with the following:

Sorry, your message to XXX@yahoo.com cannot be delivered. This mailbox is disabled (554.30). - mta4068.mail.bf1.yahoo.com

Yahoo is disabling email accounts that haven't been logged into within the past 12 months.

Jim H


moderated Re: Accessibility Considerations: Restructure Topic Pages Such that Each Message is a Header #suggestion

 

Absolutely agree on everything! The main email is support@groups.io but I, for one, thank you for posting this here. In all the times I've written to groups io, support@groups.io he has solved one problem at a time, but this is really great feedback and something mark should certainly pay attention to. I'd write to the below though, just so he can track this case using Zendesk.

support@groups.io


moderated Re: Yahoo appears to be cleaning house

 

Always makes you wonder if this is the beginning of the end. :-)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Accessibility Considerations: Restructure Topic Pages Such that Each Message is a Header #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

The Groups.io web interface is, how shall I put this, not particularly accessibility friendly for blind and low vision members who use screen readers to access the web.

Virtually everything as far as the controls down the right, all the messages, everything, really, is implemented strictly as a link, which makes quick and reasonable navigation quite impossible.  In the NVDA screen reader, for a short 7-message topic page, this is what you see when you bring up the elements list for the page looking at links:



absolutely everything is there as a link, with no differentiation between levels, and that's how the page is coded.  If I switch to show headings, the one and only thing that shows up is the topic title:



Contrast the above with how the results on an Amazon Search Page, when I search for Garmin DriveSmart 61, are presented:



or the online "front page" of the New York Times a couple of minutes ago:



In the case of both sites, the pertinent results (product listings found, and headlines and other important links) are designated as headings and it's incredibly easy to use same to jump from item to item in the page.

It would seem that on a Groups.io topic page that the existing message numbers listed for each message could be structured to be headings under HTML, and possibly even include the member name associated with the message in question as part of that heading.  This would make it so very much easier for a screen reader user to actually use the Groups.io web interface.

The same idea applies when you're on the main messages page for a Groups.io group.  Each topic itself should be structured as a heading, so that someone looking down a headings list would see essentially the same thing using the screen reader that those of us using vision literally see when we're scanning down the messages page.

Even the control links strip on the left side of the page could me made to be a level 2 or 3 heading, while the data of primary focus on a given page (topics list or individual messages if you're reading a topic) would be at heading level one.

This would give quick, immediate, and, most importantly, logical control for a screen reader user that comes as close to how those of us with vision interact with these pages as possible.   Right now they're virtually impossible to navigate in any reasonable way quickly and easily.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

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moderated Re: Yahoo appears to be cleaning house

Dave Sergeant
 

I had an email sent via my (rarely used) Yahoo email account a couple
of weeks ago saying because of inactivity for over a year it would be
closed. It told me to login to my account to prevent it being closed,
which I did - or actually just clicked on the 'mail' tab when logged
into Yahoogroups.

This was always an issue with Yahoogroups when people who joined were
given a default @yahoo.com email which they never used as they did
everything by web access. No way of contacting them as they never
checked the address.

Dave

On 19 Mar 2019 at 7:24, Mark Fletcher wrote:

FYI, I'm seeing a lot of email being rejected by Yahoo with the
following:

Sorry, your message to XXX@yahoo.com cannot be delivered. This mailbox
is disabled (554.30). - mta4068.mail.bf1.yahoo.com


http://davesergeant.com


moderated Yahoo appears to be cleaning house

 

Hi All,

FYI, I'm seeing a lot of email being rejected by Yahoo with the following:

Sorry, your message to XXX@... cannot be delivered. This mailbox is disabled (554.30). - mta4068.mail.bf1.yahoo.com


Mark

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