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Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

dave w
 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 08:06 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
It's particularly annoying when someone has an embedded image in their sig line.

I'd like a group configuration option that would strip out embedded images and convert them to attachments. The super deluxe version of this is that any image in a sig line would be stripped...period.

Given this has revived for another year, I'll add a general agreement Bruce.
But it has to be selective/ elective.
History groups, such as those I belong to thrive on data and photos or documentation that exists in single points of reference somewhere.
Culling all either in-line or attachments on email isn't practical or desirable. Certainly, ego-centric sig files and graphics, are not. Storage is either automated or not.

I'm forced to straddle the world of old (Yahew) and new IOG groups as admin and member. It is frustrating to see continued 'bad practice' from the old recurring here. Re-education is poorly implemented IMHO (by Group Owners I hasten to add)  and some admin/ owners are simply lazy and want everything automated.

Appreciate what IOG gives us and live within it. Enhancements ARE nice, but come at a cost.
Since I NEVER subscribe to email delivery, but always use the group sites (and who belonging to 20-30 interest groups would want all the dross that appears with a few pearls every now and again?) my own life is kept clean and clutter free, except when those pearls are found via group.

Thank you
+davew+


moderated Re: New feed page

dave w
 

It is good Mark. I like the general format and layout.

Wow,. so much criticism over details now? It is a beta, and as such an idea floating and yet to develop.

While I agree with only a few of the comments above; I'll endorse one area and that is 'sorting'.
Having non-email 'storage groups' hanging over from yunowhere, I personally don't need to see them every day. In fact I've selectively resigned from several simply because they were in most ways unused and just 'verbiage'.

However, this is the same 'sorting' requirement that I submitted a #suggestion for: being able to reorder the 'Your Groups' main menu. Importance or ranking (of groups to each individual) does not reside automatically in alpha-numeric terms. My own list of (reduced) groups is 23. That extends the menu to the bottom of my laptops screen.

Thanks for your efforts Mark. Keep up the good work and enjoy all that snow!
regards dave watt
+Auckland New Zealand+


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Dano,


As I noted, this member had no Display Name and no User Name.

As others have noted, this is irrelevant.
It still takes more clicks to find results, even if you do think to click again on the email address (which isn't highlighted like a link)

Clicking anywhere on the row (except the checkbox) to open the member's subscription page is basic functionality. That's where all the detailed information about the member is kept. I think it is fair to assume that a moderator knows or will learn that.
and then click on 'View Profile'. Keep in mine too that the system already states right in front of that "User name is not set," discouraging going that way further.

How about the Activity History tab? Doesn't that seem like a likely place to learn about the member's postings? If you're looking for a Search button Activity History is even in the likely location, at the top.

There is a whole group of people on here who pride themselves on knowing every back door and every little twist of the system. I contend that is not useful for Joe Average who's trying to moderate his group and just wants to resolve problems.

While that's true, I contend that this case isn't really about knowing any back doors. It is about being willing to see and try the doors that are presented on the page.
I think the goal of groups.io should be a system that is very easy to use for everyone, is relatively intuitive, and may even have multiple ways to do things if that is useful. I see my value to this group to always have been more in that vein.

No arguments there.
Just the caveat that it may not be possible, or reasonable to try, to make every action equally easy. Some of the things on the member's subscription page can also be done directly on the list; but (so far, at least) the Actions menu is populated with the things that make the most sense to perform on multiple members at once.

Shal


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 10:34 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
(IMHO) to be an effective owner or moderator requires spending some time and effort to find out all the nooks and crannies in Groups.io and how to get the best out of the service.
Dano has been here for years and, to my knowledge, has never failed to do that.

There is no implied criticism of anyone in that comment!) 
Glad you clarified that.

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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 10:16 AM, D R Stinson wrote:
I have to note that in this situation, once I go to the member page and do the search, bringing up all that member's posts is still not intuitive
Dano, I absolutely agree with you. That's why I jumped into your first post to agree that all of the current processes for finding all posts by a member are awkward, and that I think we could benefit from a better one.

As I noted, this member had no Display Name and no User Name.
The display name is a separate issue and I still have no idea why it keeps coming up here. Having or not having a display name has no bearing on how easy it is to find a group member's post. I wish we could bury the subject of the display name in this context ;)

I think the goal of groups.io should be a system that is very easy to use for everyone, is relatively intuitive, and may even have multiple ways to do things if that is useful.
I absolute agree with you, and I am still confounded and, to be honest, still mildly annoyed at the contingent who jumped on you for your supposed "impatience" in bringing this issue up in beta. I'm not in GMF, I did not see the discussion there, and potentially would not have made my suggestion re a link in the members list (which Mark says he's now inclined to implement, even if he doesn't use the posterid there) if you had not brought this up here. GMF and beta are two different groups and if someone sees a need for a feature or wants to suggest some improvement, I don't think they're required to wait until some group of people in GMF approve of that.

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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 05:16 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
There is a whole group of people on here who pride themselves on knowing every back door and every little twist of the system. I contend that is not useful for Joe Average who's trying to moderate his group and just wants to resolve problems.
I can see the point you are making but (IMHO) to be an effective owner or moderator requires spending some time and effort to find out all the nooks and crannies in Groups.io and how to get the best out of the service.

I think the goal of groups.io should be a system that is very easy to use for everyone,
I think that in all fairness it must be recognised that most people seem to manage OK most of the time. (There is no implied criticism of anyone in that comment!) However, the "ease of use" depends on how much time a person spends on "research" into how Groups.io works; I don't think it is reasonable to expect it to be very easy to use for everyone unless they are prepared to put in the effort to learn about it.

Chris


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Once you find the member page, there’s no issue or problem finding all the posts.
I have to note that in this situation, once I go to the member page and do the search, bringing up all that member's posts is still not intuitive. As I noted, this member had no Display Name and no User Name. It still takes more clicks to find results, even if you do think to click again on the email address (which isn't highlighted like a link) and then click on 'View Profile'. Keep in mine too that the system already states right in front of that "User name is not set," discouraging going that way further.

There is a whole group of people on here who pride themselves on knowing every back door and every little twist of the system. I contend that is not useful for Joe Average who's trying to moderate his group and just wants to resolve problems. I think the goal of groups.io should be a system that is very easy to use for everyone, is relatively intuitive, and may even have multiple ways to do things if that is useful. I see my value to this group to always have been more in that vein.

Dano


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Patty Sliney
 

Duane, it could be set by default at the List Mod/Owner level, or, as Yahoo Groups had, set at the User level.  Ideally, for my group population, who seems to be similar to Dotty's list member make up, many of my list members are not very computer savvy.  So, to have this Photo Sort option be able to be set by the List Mods/Owners would be more advantageous. 


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Patty Sliney
 

Again, asking pretty please with sugar on top for this small add to the Photos section:  Can the user set their Photo Sort option, or can the List Mod/Owner set the list's photo sort option?  Yahoo Groups had this, and it was extremely useful for groups that heavily use the Photos section.


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

If that’s truly the case, then implementing finding all of “x or y’s posts” will make life slightly difficult for Mark. I don’t make the “its too hard to implement” argument if the feature would be useful. But I can’t imagine that finding more than one member’s posts at a time has any real use. At least, I have a hard time coming up with one.


On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber@...> wrote:

We know already that the search is dumb, just a word search.  Sure “or” works - it will find the instances that “or” was typed into a message. 

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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

KWKloeber
 

We know already that the search is dumb, just a word search.  Sure “or” works - it will find the instances that “or” was typed into a message. 


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Ps excuse typos, am at the vet and typing w one hand 🐱

On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:09 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dano,

Once you find the member page, there’s no issue or problem finding all the posts. So this is somewhat a case of “right answer, wrong reason.” Your problem was not really a problem, but before I realized that, I agreed that it would great to have a *better* way to find all of a member’s than the currently existing ones, which take too many steps.

My objections now to using the action dropdosn for this are that it’s still more steps than using the member list, it creates the weirdness of allowing more than one member to be checked (weird in terms of functionality, and possibly also in implantation, big surs), and the language is a slight misfit. The language is the least of it and probably won’t bother anyone except nerds like me. 😊 But basically, I feel that a link in thd member list itself would be so much better in a multitude of ways. I rest my case. 🐱
On Mar 18, 2019, at 8:58 AM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

I would voice a mild objection to calling this an “action” because nothing is done TO the member. You’re just looking up information (all posts) about the member. But this is just a picky concern. More important is that doing if this way barely cuts down on the number of clicks needed. Whereas a link in the member list itself is the fastest possible route. Finding all posts by a member is something that I (and I’m betting many others, even if not Shal:) do extremely frequently.
I understand your concerns, J. As explanation, I saw it as an action I wished the system to perform for a selected member, but that's just how I read it. You're much better at the wording stuff than I am.

What is more important to me is how I got to that point. For me it seemed logical, wishing to find more information about a member, to go to the member list. The email search found the member, but that's where the problem came in. It seems logical to put the solution at that same point so a moderator could find it.

Dano



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Dano,

Once you find the member page, there’s no issue or problem finding all the posts. So this is somewhat a case of “right answer, wrong reason.” Your problem was not really a problem, but before I realized that, I agreed that it would great to have a *better* way to find all of a member’s than the currently existing ones, which take too many steps.

My objections now to using the action dropdosn for this are that it’s still more steps than using the member list, it creates the weirdness of allowing more than one member to be checked (weird in terms of functionality, and possibly also in implantation, big surs), and the language is a slight misfit. The language is the least of it and probably won’t bother anyone except nerds like me. 😊 But basically, I feel that a link in thd member list itself would be so much better in a multitude of ways. I rest my case. 🐱

On Mar 18, 2019, at 8:58 AM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

I would voice a mild objection to calling this an “action” because nothing is done TO the member. You’re just looking up information (all posts) about the member. But this is just a picky concern. More important is that doing if this way barely cuts down on the number of clicks needed. Whereas a link in the member list itself is the fastest possible route. Finding all posts by a member is something that I (and I’m betting many others, even if not Shal:) do extremely frequently.
I understand your concerns, J. As explanation, I saw it as an action I wished the system to perform for a selected member, but that's just how I read it. You're much better at the wording stuff than I am.

What is more important to me is how I got to that point. For me it seemed logical, wishing to find more information about a member, to go to the member list. The email search found the member, but that's where the problem came in. It seems logical to put the solution at that same point so a moderator could find it.

Dano


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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

I would voice a mild objection to calling this an “action” because nothing is done TO the member. You’re just looking up information (all posts) about the member. But this is just a picky concern. More important is that doing if this way barely cuts down on the number of clicks needed. Whereas a link in the member list itself is the fastest possible route. Finding all posts by a member is something that I (and I’m betting many others, even if not Shal:) do extremely frequently.
I understand your concerns, J. As explanation, I saw it as an action I wished the system to perform for a selected member, but that's just how I read it. You're much better at the wording stuff than I am.

What is more important to me is how I got to that point. For me it seemed logical, wishing to find more information about a member, to go to the member list. The email search found the member, but that's where the problem came in. It seems logical to put the solution at that same point so a moderator could find it.

Dano


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 08:13 PM, Dotty Bell wrote:
Ideally, for me, I would like the ability to set the default sort at the group level.  This would prevent me from having to assist my "less computer comfortable" members in setting their own default sort at their subscriber level.  But I remember when I previously suggested that option, Shal and perhaps others had objections to giving that control to the group owner.
I think there could be group default settings that could be changed by the members, similar to Max Attachment Size for subscriptions.  Possibly add a 'lock' capability to prevent changes on groups where members may not be as computer savvy?

Duane


Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from YT9TP - Pedja via Groups.Io at 3/18/2019 08:16 AM UTC:

Or you could set a size limit on images and larger ones will be downsized (rather than stripped) to that limit.. It's one of the available settings.
That is user setting. Option you have in group settings is just default for user. But, user may change it. And if you change it in group it does not affect existing members, only new ones.

No, that's a GROUP setting. ADMIN -- SETTINGS -- Settings -- Scroll down to PHOTOS -- See "Max Size in Photos Section" and "Max Size in Email." You can also drop down a bit farther to WIKI and see "Max Image Size in Wiki Images." These settings will affect future images, not existing ones.

The user changeable settings are in "Default Sub Settings" and there's no ability to resize images there. The "Max Attachment Size" setting found there sets the maximum size of an attachment Gio will send to a subscriber via email. If the subscriber sets a size that's smaller than a given attachment that attachment isn't sent to him. Note that this sets max ATTACHMENT size... meaning all attachments, not just images. In the case of images, they will have been downsized during upload to the size setting in the ADMIN --
SETTINGS -- Settings -Photos/Wiki section.

Jim H


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Dennis - WU6X <wu6x@...>
 

A workaround, yes, but it would be more convenient to be able to change the default sort so all members wouldn't have to remember to create a folder in that manner. Thanks for the tip, however.


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Dennis - WU6X <wu6x@...>
 

Some of us need to be able to set the "default" album sort by Created, Most Recent. The problem is that when an album is created for members to put pictures in, it is not visible unless the entire Photos section is re-sorted by "Created" down-arrow ... this is not intuitive and difficult to remember for some members to remember.
Can the default be changed, or can manager's have the ability to change the default ... please?


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 01:17 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
I couldn't think of a good answer for what it should do if you checked multiple members rows.

The obvious answer is to search them all
Delayed reaction to this: does the search software groups.io is using have an "or" feature? Otherwise, how would this be implemented? Also: I can think of zero times I've wanted to find all the posts of more than one member at a time. But who knows; if this gets implemented, I may come up with one.
 
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Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

YT9TP - Pedja
 

Attachemnts are welcome and needed, we just need tools to control the size.

With big players like Google size of emails became praclticaly unlimited. It really takes effort to strike size limitation.

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