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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Once you find the member page, there’s no issue or problem finding all the posts.
I have to note that in this situation, once I go to the member page and do the search, bringing up all that member's posts is still not intuitive. As I noted, this member had no Display Name and no User Name. It still takes more clicks to find results, even if you do think to click again on the email address (which isn't highlighted like a link) and then click on 'View Profile'. Keep in mine too that the system already states right in front of that "User name is not set," discouraging going that way further.

There is a whole group of people on here who pride themselves on knowing every back door and every little twist of the system. I contend that is not useful for Joe Average who's trying to moderate his group and just wants to resolve problems. I think the goal of groups.io should be a system that is very easy to use for everyone, is relatively intuitive, and may even have multiple ways to do things if that is useful. I see my value to this group to always have been more in that vein.

Dano


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Patty Sliney
 

Duane, it could be set by default at the List Mod/Owner level, or, as Yahoo Groups had, set at the User level.  Ideally, for my group population, who seems to be similar to Dotty's list member make up, many of my list members are not very computer savvy.  So, to have this Photo Sort option be able to be set by the List Mods/Owners would be more advantageous. 


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Patty Sliney
 

Again, asking pretty please with sugar on top for this small add to the Photos section:  Can the user set their Photo Sort option, or can the List Mod/Owner set the list's photo sort option?  Yahoo Groups had this, and it was extremely useful for groups that heavily use the Photos section.


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

If that’s truly the case, then implementing finding all of “x or y’s posts” will make life slightly difficult for Mark. I don’t make the “its too hard to implement” argument if the feature would be useful. But I can’t imagine that finding more than one member’s posts at a time has any real use. At least, I have a hard time coming up with one.


On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber@...> wrote:

We know already that the search is dumb, just a word search.  Sure “or” works - it will find the instances that “or” was typed into a message. 

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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

KWKloeber
 

We know already that the search is dumb, just a word search.  Sure “or” works - it will find the instances that “or” was typed into a message. 


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Ps excuse typos, am at the vet and typing w one hand 🐱

On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:09 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dano,

Once you find the member page, there’s no issue or problem finding all the posts. So this is somewhat a case of “right answer, wrong reason.” Your problem was not really a problem, but before I realized that, I agreed that it would great to have a *better* way to find all of a member’s than the currently existing ones, which take too many steps.

My objections now to using the action dropdosn for this are that it’s still more steps than using the member list, it creates the weirdness of allowing more than one member to be checked (weird in terms of functionality, and possibly also in implantation, big surs), and the language is a slight misfit. The language is the least of it and probably won’t bother anyone except nerds like me. 😊 But basically, I feel that a link in thd member list itself would be so much better in a multitude of ways. I rest my case. 🐱
On Mar 18, 2019, at 8:58 AM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

I would voice a mild objection to calling this an “action” because nothing is done TO the member. You’re just looking up information (all posts) about the member. But this is just a picky concern. More important is that doing if this way barely cuts down on the number of clicks needed. Whereas a link in the member list itself is the fastest possible route. Finding all posts by a member is something that I (and I’m betting many others, even if not Shal:) do extremely frequently.
I understand your concerns, J. As explanation, I saw it as an action I wished the system to perform for a selected member, but that's just how I read it. You're much better at the wording stuff than I am.

What is more important to me is how I got to that point. For me it seemed logical, wishing to find more information about a member, to go to the member list. The email search found the member, but that's where the problem came in. It seems logical to put the solution at that same point so a moderator could find it.

Dano



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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Dano,

Once you find the member page, there’s no issue or problem finding all the posts. So this is somewhat a case of “right answer, wrong reason.” Your problem was not really a problem, but before I realized that, I agreed that it would great to have a *better* way to find all of a member’s than the currently existing ones, which take too many steps.

My objections now to using the action dropdosn for this are that it’s still more steps than using the member list, it creates the weirdness of allowing more than one member to be checked (weird in terms of functionality, and possibly also in implantation, big surs), and the language is a slight misfit. The language is the least of it and probably won’t bother anyone except nerds like me. 😊 But basically, I feel that a link in thd member list itself would be so much better in a multitude of ways. I rest my case. 🐱

On Mar 18, 2019, at 8:58 AM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

I would voice a mild objection to calling this an “action” because nothing is done TO the member. You’re just looking up information (all posts) about the member. But this is just a picky concern. More important is that doing if this way barely cuts down on the number of clicks needed. Whereas a link in the member list itself is the fastest possible route. Finding all posts by a member is something that I (and I’m betting many others, even if not Shal:) do extremely frequently.
I understand your concerns, J. As explanation, I saw it as an action I wished the system to perform for a selected member, but that's just how I read it. You're much better at the wording stuff than I am.

What is more important to me is how I got to that point. For me it seemed logical, wishing to find more information about a member, to go to the member list. The email search found the member, but that's where the problem came in. It seems logical to put the solution at that same point so a moderator could find it.

Dano


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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

I would voice a mild objection to calling this an “action” because nothing is done TO the member. You’re just looking up information (all posts) about the member. But this is just a picky concern. More important is that doing if this way barely cuts down on the number of clicks needed. Whereas a link in the member list itself is the fastest possible route. Finding all posts by a member is something that I (and I’m betting many others, even if not Shal:) do extremely frequently.
I understand your concerns, J. As explanation, I saw it as an action I wished the system to perform for a selected member, but that's just how I read it. You're much better at the wording stuff than I am.

What is more important to me is how I got to that point. For me it seemed logical, wishing to find more information about a member, to go to the member list. The email search found the member, but that's where the problem came in. It seems logical to put the solution at that same point so a moderator could find it.

Dano


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 08:13 PM, Dotty Bell wrote:
Ideally, for me, I would like the ability to set the default sort at the group level.  This would prevent me from having to assist my "less computer comfortable" members in setting their own default sort at their subscriber level.  But I remember when I previously suggested that option, Shal and perhaps others had objections to giving that control to the group owner.
I think there could be group default settings that could be changed by the members, similar to Max Attachment Size for subscriptions.  Possibly add a 'lock' capability to prevent changes on groups where members may not be as computer savvy?

Duane


Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from YT9TP - Pedja via Groups.Io at 3/18/2019 08:16 AM UTC:

Or you could set a size limit on images and larger ones will be downsized (rather than stripped) to that limit.. It's one of the available settings.
That is user setting. Option you have in group settings is just default for user. But, user may change it. And if you change it in group it does not affect existing members, only new ones.

No, that's a GROUP setting. ADMIN -- SETTINGS -- Settings -- Scroll down to PHOTOS -- See "Max Size in Photos Section" and "Max Size in Email." You can also drop down a bit farther to WIKI and see "Max Image Size in Wiki Images." These settings will affect future images, not existing ones.

The user changeable settings are in "Default Sub Settings" and there's no ability to resize images there. The "Max Attachment Size" setting found there sets the maximum size of an attachment Gio will send to a subscriber via email. If the subscriber sets a size that's smaller than a given attachment that attachment isn't sent to him. Note that this sets max ATTACHMENT size... meaning all attachments, not just images. In the case of images, they will have been downsized during upload to the size setting in the ADMIN --
SETTINGS -- Settings -Photos/Wiki section.

Jim H


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Dennis - WU6X <wu6x@...>
 

A workaround, yes, but it would be more convenient to be able to change the default sort so all members wouldn't have to remember to create a folder in that manner. Thanks for the tip, however.


moderated Re: Allow Members to Be Able to Set Photos Sort Options #suggestion

Dennis - WU6X <wu6x@...>
 

Some of us need to be able to set the "default" album sort by Created, Most Recent. The problem is that when an album is created for members to put pictures in, it is not visible unless the entire Photos section is re-sorted by "Created" down-arrow ... this is not intuitive and difficult to remember for some members to remember.
Can the default be changed, or can manager's have the ability to change the default ... please?


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 01:17 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
I couldn't think of a good answer for what it should do if you checked multiple members rows.

The obvious answer is to search them all
Delayed reaction to this: does the search software groups.io is using have an "or" feature? Otherwise, how would this be implemented? Also: I can think of zero times I've wanted to find all the posts of more than one member at a time. But who knows; if this gets implemented, I may come up with one.
 
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Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

YT9TP - Pedja
 

Attachemnts are welcome and needed, we just need tools to control the size.

With big players like Google size of emails became praclticaly unlimited. It really takes effort to strike size limitation.


Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

YT9TP - Pedja
 

Or you could set a size limit on images and larger ones will be downsized (rather than stripped) to that limit.. It's one of the available settings.
That is user setting. Option you have in group settings is just default for user. But, user may change it. And if you change it in group it does not affect existing members, only new ones.


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 01:17 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
It leverages an existing UI element in a way that's reasonably clear and discoverable.
Although wrongly-named. An "action" is something that "acts on" the member, as do all the other functions in that dropdown. I'm probably going to lose this one but if so, it will grate on me ...
 
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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Dano,

I had hoped that clicking the check mark would offer me a 'View all
posts" as one of the Actions.
I'd be fine with that. I thought of suggesting it, but I couldn't think of a good answer for what it should do if you checked multiple members rows.

The obvious answer is to search them all (in keeping with what other Actions menu items do); but that may be confusing also. Or maybe it is a powerful new capability. I'm not sure.

This way it doesn't appear as anything different on the page and only
lists another option in that pull-down menu.
An advantage in my book, click-count notwithstanding. It leverages an existing UI element in a way that's reasonably clear and discoverable.

Shal


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

I would voice a mild objection to calling this an “action” because nothing is done TO the member. You’re just looking up information (all posts) about the member. But this is just a picky concern. More important is that doing if this way barely cuts down on the number of clicks needed. Whereas a link in the member list itself is the fastest possible route. Finding all posts by a member is something that I (and I’m betting many others, even if not Shal:) do extremely frequently.

BTW, whether or not a member has a display name makes absolutely no difference in the speed of finding all their posts, so I don’t know why this even came up. The display name is only helpful if you are already looking at a post by the member, in which case clicking on it and then “more” and then “member page” and then “all posts by this member” is a longer route than just clicking “more” under the message itself and then “all posts by this member”.

On Mar 17, 2019, at 9:45 PM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

As the one who initially asked this, I will explain that I came to this 'dead end' by first finding the member's email address in the Members list. That gave me a listing of the email address with no Display Name. That listing had a check box in front of it and a tab below marked "Actions". I had hoped that clicking the check mark would offer me a 'View all posts" as one of the Actions.

This way it doesn't appear as anything different on the page and only lists another option in that pull-down menu.

Dano

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On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:34 AM D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:
Would it be possible to have that search option after we select a member in the member search?

I think this would be solved if I added a link to view all posts by a member in each line of the member display (the code is the same for searching or viewing all members). Would this additional link (or clutter to some) be worthwhile?

UI Question:
- Where should this link go? In the email column, after any badges?

Thanks,
Mark


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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

As the one who initially asked this, I will explain that I came to this 'dead end' by first finding the member's email address in the Members list. That gave me a listing of the email address with no Display Name. That listing had a check box in front of it and a tab below marked "Actions". I had hoped that clicking the check mark would offer me a 'View all posts" as one of the Actions.

This way it doesn't appear as anything different on the page and only lists another option in that pull-down menu.

Dano

----- Original Message -----

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:34 AM D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:
Would it be possible to have that search option after we select a member in the member search?

I think this would be solved if I added a link to view all posts by a member in each line of the member display (the code is the same for searching or viewing all members). Would this additional link (or clutter to some) be worthwhile?

UI Question:
- Where should this link go? In the email column, after any badges?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Change "past members" list to make more intuitive somehow @suggestion

 

The "past members" list (which is available only to premium groups, in case anyone reading this doesn't see theirs), as it currently exists, is not really a list of past members. It is really a list of *actions* of removal/leaving/banning. Each time a member leaves, is removed, or is banned, another row is added to the list for that member, with the date of that particular action displayed in the date column (which is labelled "left") and the "reason" column giving the action - either "left," "removed," or "banned."

I think, and think the majority of people think, of a "list of x's" as containing one row for each x. In this case, the x's are actions, not members, at least as currently implemented.

(BTW, and this is a separate but related issue: if you sort the list by, say, display name, the removal/left/banned actions for any particular member with multiple actions appear in a seemingly random order with respect to the dates of the actions. At least, I have yet to discern the pattern to it.) 

To make the list more intuitive, I think you could either keep the contents as is but rename the list to reflect the fact that it's a list of actions, not of members; 
or keep the name the same but display only the most recent left/removed/banned action for each member. This would be analogous to the banned list, where each banned member gets only one row no matter how many times they were banned. (The rest can be found in the member's activity history anyway, and it doesn't seem necessary to display every such action in the list.) 

Those are just off the top of my head. I think the second idea is probably preferable. 
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