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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 01:17 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
It leverages an existing UI element in a way that's reasonably clear and discoverable.
Although wrongly-named. An "action" is something that "acts on" the member, as do all the other functions in that dropdown. I'm probably going to lose this one but if so, it will grate on me ...
 
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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Dano,

I had hoped that clicking the check mark would offer me a 'View all
posts" as one of the Actions.
I'd be fine with that. I thought of suggesting it, but I couldn't think of a good answer for what it should do if you checked multiple members rows.

The obvious answer is to search them all (in keeping with what other Actions menu items do); but that may be confusing also. Or maybe it is a powerful new capability. I'm not sure.

This way it doesn't appear as anything different on the page and only
lists another option in that pull-down menu.
An advantage in my book, click-count notwithstanding. It leverages an existing UI element in a way that's reasonably clear and discoverable.

Shal


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

I would voice a mild objection to calling this an “action” because nothing is done TO the member. You’re just looking up information (all posts) about the member. But this is just a picky concern. More important is that doing if this way barely cuts down on the number of clicks needed. Whereas a link in the member list itself is the fastest possible route. Finding all posts by a member is something that I (and I’m betting many others, even if not Shal:) do extremely frequently.

BTW, whether or not a member has a display name makes absolutely no difference in the speed of finding all their posts, so I don’t know why this even came up. The display name is only helpful if you are already looking at a post by the member, in which case clicking on it and then “more” and then “member page” and then “all posts by this member” is a longer route than just clicking “more” under the message itself and then “all posts by this member”.

On Mar 17, 2019, at 9:45 PM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

As the one who initially asked this, I will explain that I came to this 'dead end' by first finding the member's email address in the Members list. That gave me a listing of the email address with no Display Name. That listing had a check box in front of it and a tab below marked "Actions". I had hoped that clicking the check mark would offer me a 'View all posts" as one of the Actions.

This way it doesn't appear as anything different on the page and only lists another option in that pull-down menu.

Dano

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On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:34 AM D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:
Would it be possible to have that search option after we select a member in the member search?

I think this would be solved if I added a link to view all posts by a member in each line of the member display (the code is the same for searching or viewing all members). Would this additional link (or clutter to some) be worthwhile?

UI Question:
- Where should this link go? In the email column, after any badges?

Thanks,
Mark


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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

As the one who initially asked this, I will explain that I came to this 'dead end' by first finding the member's email address in the Members list. That gave me a listing of the email address with no Display Name. That listing had a check box in front of it and a tab below marked "Actions". I had hoped that clicking the check mark would offer me a 'View all posts" as one of the Actions.

This way it doesn't appear as anything different on the page and only lists another option in that pull-down menu.

Dano

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On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:34 AM D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:
Would it be possible to have that search option after we select a member in the member search?

I think this would be solved if I added a link to view all posts by a member in each line of the member display (the code is the same for searching or viewing all members). Would this additional link (or clutter to some) be worthwhile?

UI Question:
- Where should this link go? In the email column, after any badges?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Change "past members" list to make more intuitive somehow @suggestion

 

The "past members" list (which is available only to premium groups, in case anyone reading this doesn't see theirs), as it currently exists, is not really a list of past members. It is really a list of *actions* of removal/leaving/banning. Each time a member leaves, is removed, or is banned, another row is added to the list for that member, with the date of that particular action displayed in the date column (which is labelled "left") and the "reason" column giving the action - either "left," "removed," or "banned."

I think, and think the majority of people think, of a "list of x's" as containing one row for each x. In this case, the x's are actions, not members, at least as currently implemented.

(BTW, and this is a separate but related issue: if you sort the list by, say, display name, the removal/left/banned actions for any particular member with multiple actions appear in a seemingly random order with respect to the dates of the actions. At least, I have yet to discern the pattern to it.) 

To make the list more intuitive, I think you could either keep the contents as is but rename the list to reflect the fact that it's a list of actions, not of members; 
or keep the name the same but display only the most recent left/removed/banned action for each member. This would be analogous to the banned list, where each banned member gets only one row no matter how many times they were banned. (The rest can be found in the member's activity history anyway, and it doesn't seem necessary to display every such action in the list.) 

Those are just off the top of my head. I think the second idea is probably preferable. 
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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 08:13 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
from a UI design standpoint Mark should likely be moving towards making it unnecessary to see and use arcana such as the posterid number, useful though it is right now.
Well, the posterid is displayed every time you search on all the member's posts (as I'm sure you know), and since it's the only search criterion that's guaranteed to be unique to the member's posts, I don't think this is an arcane thing at all. Mark can make it "seeable" while still "unnecessary to use." Nobody would have to use it. And it would soon become clear to anyone who DOES click on it that it brings up all the member's posts, and that you can enter "posterid:xyz" into the search box any time you want, if you happen to save a certain member's id. I would not try (futilely, since it comes up anyway) to hide this from users. On the contrary, I would try to make it easier to see.
 
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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 08:00 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Up until about half an hour ago, when you took someone who was a member of your group and then banned them, we didn't reset the date field that we use for the 'Banned' column. So that date will still refer to when that person applied or joined.
Mark, that's fascinating, because the only reason I brought up this issue was that I noticed that that date displayed WAS the date of banning, not the date the member joined (even before a half an hour ago) but was labelled "joined." I distinctly made note of several banned members who displayed that banned date (in one case, a very recent banning, vs. having joined years ago), which was why I complained about the discrepancy! This is very odd. Could it have been an inadvertent/unnoticed prior bug? 

I don't think that whether you show the banned or the joined date matters in the banned list. I just wanted the labelling to be accurate, and it wasn't. If, as you say, that before a half hour ago, the "joined" date was shown, and was labelled "joined," then there would have been no problem. But unless I'm totally losing it (always a possibility), that was not the case. 

Very odd.
 
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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

J,

If there's room, I think a separate "posterid" column would be great.
I'd probably like that better than adding clutter to the email column. At least it would be a different number in each row.

But from a UI design standpoint Mark should likely be moving towards making it unnecessary to see and use arcana such as the posterid number, useful though it is right now.

Maybe a column of tool icons, a magnifying glass for "All Posts by This Member" and an envelope for "Send Message".

Yes, I know that Send Message is in the Actions menu, but I'm probably not the only one that finds that non-intuitive when you want to send a message to a single individual. Yes, I know that "Send Message" is already a button on the subscription page, but so is "Activity History" and that doesn't seem to be enough for some.

Shal


moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 7:34 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark, great, that's what I would have thought. But in that case I still don't understand which date you said would be "incorrect." ?

Up until about half an hour ago, when you took someone who was a member of your group and then banned them, we didn't reset the date field that we use for the 'Banned' column. So that date will still refer to when that person applied or joined. Now, if you ban an existing member, that date field is reset and will accurately reflect the time of banning. (Remember, this does not apply to people you ban who were not already members of your group; those dates have always been 'correct').

Mark 


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Mark,

searching or viewing all members). Would this additional link (or
clutter to some) be worthwhile?
Clutter to me, as I don't find the click to open the subscription page to be that obscure or onerous for a function that I really don't think is or would be so frequently used as to merit placement in the list itself.

That said, I'd recommend using the text of the email address itself as the link, with a tooltip that says "All Posts by This Member" (for consistency with the wording in the Profile and in the Messages). It has the advantage of not consuming additional real estate.

My only concern with that choice is that we may later have a better use for a link on the email address. For example, some might think that the address would be better used as a short-cut to Send Message instead.

I don't really like the idea of adding a decoration (button/badge) after the email address because it would be on /every/ address in the list. The very definition of clutter. If you do add one, make it small like just the magnifying glass icon, and keep it black on white so it doesn't become a jarring jagged column of color down that column.

Shal


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 07:28 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Where should this link go? In the email column, after any badges?
If there's room, I think a separate "posterid" column would be great. But no strong feelings about this one way or the other about where it should go, as long as it's in the member list.
 
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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

Mark, great, that's what I would have thought. But in that case I still don't understand which date you said would be "incorrect." ?
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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 7:28 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 07:13 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
From #2, however, that means that this date will be incorrect for previously banned people (it will refer to their join/applied date).

Mark, this all sounds great but I'm confused about the above. In fact, I'm so confused that I'm having trouble even formulating a question. Let me try a couple of them:
(1) What happens if a previously banned email address which was never agroup member is unbanned - I assume the record is simply removed from the banned list at the date of the unbanning, so nobody ever sees this "incorrect" date again anyway?

If someone was never a group member in the first place, and you banned them by entering their email address in the Ban text field, the Banned date will be correct, because we created a new subscription record (with a banned status) for that person to track the ban.

When you unban someone, we delete the subscription record completely.
 

(2) What happens if a previously banned email address is unbanned and then becomes a group member - i assume the date then refers to the Join/Approved (you said "Join/applied"?) date in the group, which is actually correct???

When unbanning someone, the subscription record (with the banned status) is deleted. If they then re-apply, an entirely new subscription is created, so the date will be correct.

Hope this helps.
Mark


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 06:50 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Does anyone really even care what the posterid is?

Isn't the point of the original request to make it easier to search on posts by a particular member? Looking up a posterid is not my idea of intuitive. I am all for adding a "search by author" by partial name or email to the Search function.
Nobody cares much, but if used in the member display, (a) you would not HAVE to look it up, and (b) you COULD make note of it for any given member if you wanted to. For example, I've listed the posterid of the vet specialist in our group in one of our wiki pages, so that people can easily look up any of his posts.
 
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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 07:28 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I think this would be solved if I added a link to view all posts by a member in each line of the member display
Yes! That's in essence what I was suggesting before, by suggesting adding a clickable link to the posterid in the member list. I think using the posterid for that field/link might be the most intuitive (and provide the greatest value, in case anyone wanted to make note of the id), but of course anything would work.

This would be extremely useful. Searching for all of a member's posts is something that I, and no doubt many other, owners/mods do very very often. Being able to go directly to it for any member, directly from the member list, would be very valuable.
 
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moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 07:13 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
From #2, however, that means that this date will be incorrect for previously banned people (it will refer to their join/applied date).

Mark, this all sounds great but I'm confused about the above. In fact, I'm so confused that I'm having trouble even formulating a question. Let me try a couple of them:
(1) What happens if a previously banned email address which was never agroup member is unbanned - I assume the record is simply removed from the banned list at the date of the unbanning, so nobody ever sees this "incorrect" date again anyway?
(2) What happens if a previously banned email address is unbanned and then becomes a group member - i assume the date then refers to the Join/Approved (you said "Join/applied"?) date in the group, which is actually correct???
I have no idea what you mean here!

 In any case, I'll start a new thread about the past member list issue.

Thanks.
 
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moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:34 AM D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Would it be possible to have that search option after we select a member in the member search?

I think this would be solved if I added a link to view all posts by a member in each line of the member display (the code is the same for searching or viewing all members). Would this additional link (or clutter to some) be worthwhile?

UI Question:
- Where should this link go? In the email column, after any badges?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

Dano,

Would it be possible to have that search option after we select a
member in the member search?
As explained in GMF, the list of postings by that member is only one step away once you've opened the member's subscription page. Or two clicks if you go by way of the member's profile.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/15620

Alternately, would it be possible to have the option under message
search to search for sender, probably including email address?
I concur with the general desire to have more tools (filters) in message search, including the ability to search on the From address or Display Name of the messages. That would benefit members and not just moderators with access to the members list.

Shal


moderated Re: Date column in Pending Approval (Members) should be "Applied"

 

Hi All,

I've made the following changes:

- For restricted groups, when viewing members, the column is now labelled Applied
- When banning someone that was already a member, we did not reset the Created date on the subscription record. We do that now, so the date now reflects when the person was banned.
- When viewing banned members, the column is now labelled Banned. From #2, however, that means that this date will be incorrect for previously banned people (it will refer to their join/applied date).

J, please start a separate topic for the past members issue. Off-hand I don't know what the right answer is for that.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Does anyone really even care what the posterid is?

Isn't the point of the original request to make it easier to search on posts by a particular member? Looking up a posterid is not my idea of intuitive. I am all for adding a "search by author" by partial name or email to the Search function.

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