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moderated Re: On the /topics page, change the browser tab to "Topics"

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 7:18 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

While reviewing the new /feed page I noticed it put "Feed" in my browser
tab. I like that. The Help page does too.

I think the Topics page should also. Right now it says "Welcome to
Groups.io".

Fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: make rejected-subscription notice semi-manual instead of automatic

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 04:07 AM, Marina wrote:
I am not particularly keen on having several Members' Notices (though I can understand that in some groups these may help), a simple dialog box would do in our case.
Implementing my suggestion would in no way require you to have many, or even a single, canned notice. Just as with rejected messages, the composition box would offer a dropdown of any existing canned notices of type "rejected subscription" only if you've created any. Whether or not you haven't created any, you still just type in your message.
 
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moderated Re: make rejected-subscription notice semi-manual instead of automatic

 

I'm thinking in spurts again: Although it's true that rejected messages require a notification. "deleted" pending messages don't. A pending message can be rejected with no notification to the user by using "Delete" instead of "Reject." So you could do the same thing with pending subscriptions: add a "Delete" button, which just removes the pending subscription with no notice. That would do away with having to require another "yes-no" confirmation. The processing would be (nearly) completely parallel to pending messages.


On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:57 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
There will have to be a couple of differences between the way rejected subscriptions and rejected messages are handled, one of them somewhat major, one of them minor.

The big one (which hit me in the middle of the night) is that if you implement my suggestion to add a composition box for the (always optional) message for a rejected subscription a la rejected message, you would need to explicitly add a "yes" or "no" (at some point in the process - not sure where the best place would be for this) to "Send a rejection message?" That's because rejecting a message *requires* a notice to the member, even if it's just "Your message was not approved" (with no message added for the reason); whereas with a rejected subscription, groups currently have the option to send no notice at all. Currently, the options are to (a) send the "active" notice every time or (b) send no notice at all. You would need to retain (b). So the code would not be completely parallel to rejected messages, because another yes-no would need to be added. But still not a big deal. Just not sure where the question should go. (And, of course, you could have a "your subscription was not approved" notice go out with no added message, simply by not filling in the message box.)

The minor differences may involve logging, since the rejected pending member is not a member of the group. I'm not sure how this is handled, since I've actually seen an original rejection logged under an email address after the email address is later approved. So my guess is that if the email address has a confirmed account at the time they're rejected, the action still gets logged under their email address somehow. Of course, the rejection action would still be logged under the group and moderator activity, with the text of the notification message included in the log, as with rejected messages.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Limit for number of invites that can be sent out without approval, enhacement request

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 02:24 AM, YT9TP - Pedja wrote:
If you send out 100 invitation requests, then even if the feature enhancement you want is implemented (and it may already be there,
from your comment above), if more than 20 of them are not members, you still run into the same constraint. I don't know if groups.io can help you with this.
That would not be the problem as that would be significantly smaller number of emails and I could handle them manually,
Maybe, but what I was trying to point out was that your underlying problem is that of not *knowing* who's a member and who's not. That's what you yourself stated. So how would you *know*, in the above example, that it would be a "significantly smaller number of emails", whether the number is 100 or 1,000? Call is "x." No matter what the number, the problem is the same. You have no idea how many within that quantity are already members. 
 
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moderated Re: make rejected-subscription notice semi-manual instead of automatic

 

There will have to be a couple of differences between the way rejected subscriptions and rejected messages are handled, one of them somewhat major, one of them minor.

The big one (which hit me in the middle of the night) is that if you implement my suggestion to add a composition box for the (always optional) message for a rejected subscription a la rejected message, you would need to explicitly add a "yes" or "no" (at some point in the process - not sure where the best place would be for this) to "Send a rejection message?" That's because rejecting a message *requires* a notice to the member, even if it's just "Your message was not approved" (with no message added for the reason); whereas with a rejected subscription, groups currently have the option to send no notice at all. Currently, the options are to (a) send the "active" notice every time or (b) send no notice at all. You would need to retain (b). So the code would not be completely parallel to rejected messages, because another yes-no would need to be added. But still not a big deal. Just not sure where the question should go. (And, of course, you could have a "your subscription was not approved" notice go out with no added message, simply by not filling in the message box.)

The minor differences may involve logging, since the rejected pending member is not a member of the group. I'm not sure how this is handled, since I've actually seen an original rejection logged under an email address after the email address is later approved. So my guess is that if the email address has a confirmed account at the time they're rejected, the action still gets logged under their email address somehow. Of course, the rejection action would still be logged under the group and moderator activity, with the text of the notification message included in the log, as with rejected messages.

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moderated Re: New feed page

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Maria,
If you go to your settings page in your group and select a cover photo and a group icon photo, you can customize those and it will apply to both desktop and mobile.
It just means you haven't yet added a group icon.
Yes, I know I can set the icon.  My point is that I have chosen not to set one up for some groups just yet but an icon is shown for those groups on the feed page;  On the mobile site for one of my subgroups I see this:



Yet on the feed page, it shows this:




I think the icons shown should be the same on the mobile site and feed page.  Personally, I'd prefer standard blue icons I mentioned in my previous post.  I don't want random pictures chosen by someone else.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: New feed page

Maria
 

Hi Mark

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:15 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I concur with Duane's suggestion of naming it Summary instead of Feed.
I disagree with this. It's a feed.
It may need improvements to make it more dynamic, and it may need to omit stuff that didn't have any activity – but it's by all definitions an activity feed, not an aggregate summary.
Trying to avoid the word feed just because platforms many of us dislike may use it, is not good enough a reason, unless we can come up with a better definition.

I concur also with Jim's desire to retain the list of groups as one's home page. Though this seems like a good page to add to the list on left, maybe even between "Your Groups" and "Topics".
I can see why admins would want their landing page to be where they can get straight to work. Since I admin many moderated, private groups myself, I get that.
But I don't agree that the list of groups is the best landing page for a member/user, and I think that since most of us here are likely admins, we ought to make more of an effort to view things from the user side. Especially the new user side.

To me, the list of groups serves a strictly admin/settings/index function. I've gotten frequent feedback that it's not clear to newbies where to go and what to do from there.
It does not serve as a way to on board a new member in to the environment, nor does it help existing members get a sense of what's going on, what there is to look forward to etc.
For the same reason that the "topics" page is now the default page that you land on when you go to a group ( there are old threads about that change in this group), the same thinking should apply to the feed, IMO. I love that this page is aiming to have a place where a new member gets the sense of how vibrant a place this is immediately, and from there decides where to go, what to do, and mostly, comes back.

Thank you for your constant drive to update and stay ahead with this wonderful platform.

Maria


moderated Re: New feed page

Maria
 

Andy

If you go to your settings page in your group and select a cover photo and a group icon photo, you can customize those and it will apply to both desktop and mobile.
It just means you haven't yet added a group icon.

Maria


Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

YT9TP - Pedja
 

I would be satisfied with simple message length limitation. If message is longer it is rejected.

And I would not bother if it contains large image embedded or attachment or whatever. On groups I admin, large emails are not welcome. We use email for communication not for file sharing. So far there is no option to set such limitation.


moderated Re: New feed page

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:46 AM, Duane wrote:
As noted earlier, this seems to be by design
OK - in all the discussion on whether it was a feed page or not I missed that.

that's the default icon picture for all groups
On the mobile site I don't see that carried through as the default icon.

I see this for subgroups:



and this for main groups


These are just larger coloured versions of those used on the Your Groups drop-down menu.

The only other icons I see are those I have set for my groups and subgroups, plus the elephants for beta and GMF.

Andy


moderated Re: New feed page

Duane
 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 03:56 AM, Andy W wrote:
I've noticed that the group order listed on my feed page is different to that listed on the Your Groups drop-down menu and different again to the order shown on the mobile site.
As noted earlier, this seems to be by design - the groups are sorted by the one with the most recent activity first, then descending.

In addition, the icon picture for the beta group, the head on shot of an elephant, which is second on my feed page, is carried through to all groups that I have not specifically set a group icon for - again different to the mobile site.
This makes sense to me because that's the default icon picture for all groups, just like the walking elephants are the default for the Home page.  It's stored with the Cover Photo.  It should be the one used for the Mobile Home page, per the description.

Duane


moderated Re: make rejected-subscription notice semi-manual instead of automatic

Marina
 

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 06:35 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
There is also a confirmation dialog box for rejected messages, but that one,
besides yes or no, contains a composition box for a message (from which you
can instead pick an existing notice of that type from a dropdown). Just add
the composition box for the confirmation of a rejected subscription.
I support Catlady's request. Just yesterday I rejected a member's subcription request, I thought I would be given the opportunity to explain in a dialog box why I was rejecting him, but the rejection just went through. So I had to fish that prospective member's account and explain my reasons in a private message.
I am not particularly keen on having several Members' Notices (though I can understand that in some groups these may help), a simple dialog box would do in our case.

Best,
Marina


moderated Re: UTC values in Calendar time zone selection #bug #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I'm not sure if this is related to recent changes in this area or whether it's been around for a while.

I have a calendar event running from 9/5/18 to 12/5/18 (4 full days) which shows as ending on 13/5/18 when I hover the mouse over the event:




When I edit the event though, it is shown as just 4 days:



Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Limit for number of invites that can be sent out without approval, enhacement request

YT9TP - Pedja
 

I already stated that I know background and explained issue I have.
Thanks for point me out to something I already know.


moderated Re: Limit for number of invites that can be sent out without approval, enhacement request

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 09:24 AM, YT9TP - Pedja wrote:
I found later in the evening that my invitations all passed through. I guess someone reviewed and decided it is ok to let hem go.
Yes, the process is designed to stop abuse of the process.

See https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/14981?

Andy


moderated Re: Limit for number of invites that can be sent out without approval, enhacement request

YT9TP - Pedja
 

I'm guessing, but perhaps that time, the filter only produced 20 or less email addresses that were not already group members.
I found later in the evening that my invitations all passed through. I guess someone reviewed and decided it is ok to let hem go.

Also, I noticed that indeed it was more than 20 new emails. It might be that groups.io already works as I suggested but it does not display proper info so it is confusing for the admin.

If you send out 100 invitation requests, then even if the feature enhancement you want is implemented (and it may already be there,
from your comment above), if more than 20 of them are not members, you still run into the same constraint. I don't know if groups.io can help you with this.
That would not be the problem as that would be significantly smaller number of emails and I could handle them manually, especially, because I would see which email are new - groups.io, while processing invitations, displays statuses so it is clear which emails are skipped as already on the list.


moderated Re: suspend/reinstate user rather than ban/unban/resubscribe

YT9TP - Pedja
 

I second this. I also made similar suggestion some time ago.

Suspension is needed option. We also have an organization and members may follow read-only group. If someone does not extend membership we prefer to suspend him form group until he reinstates as member.

We do not want o ban him fro obvious reasons (ban is punishment for vicious acts which is not a case), we cannot just disable his posting because list is read only, members do not post, and we cannot delete him form the list because we use notes for additional info about member and deleting them would cause lost of such info.

I also second suggestion for optional temporary suspensions/bans. that would obviously be useful.


moderated Re: New feed page

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I've noticed that the group order listed on my feed page is different to that listed on the Your Groups drop-down menu and different again to the order shown on the mobile site.

In addition, the icon picture for the beta group, the head on shot of an elephant, which is second on my feed page, is carried through to all groups that I have not specifically set a group icon for - again different to the mobile site.

A consistent order and use of icons would be good.

Thanks,
Andy


moderated Re: suspend/reinstate user rather than ban/unban/resubscribe

 

Seems like groundhog day.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/25140223?

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moderated Re: suspend/reinstate user rather than ban/unban/resubscribe

 

If a temporary ban/suspension feature is added, I would also like to suggest a way to temporarily suspend a member for a defined period of time, after which the suspension will automatically be lifted. For example, if someone is getting out of hand, and you know they just need a little cooling off time but would otherwise be a valued member of the group, you could suspend the member for, say, two days. If the member tries to access the group via the web in that time, it would show that the member is suspended, until a given date/time. Access via email would bounce with the same message. Two days later, the member could once again access the group as normal, without further action by a moderator/owner.

JohnF

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