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moderated Reminder about media sharing groups

 

Hello,

I've recently shut down some media sharing groups. Those types of groups are specifically not allowed, as they traffic in copyrighted music, which is both against our Terms of Service and is against the law.

Media sharing groups are not welcome here; they use lots of resources, and I'll be more closely looking for them in the future.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Suggested updates to message footer

KWKloeber
 

<<here’s what it looked like....>>

email clients, like modems used to be, are a box of chocolates. In my delivery, most of the screen you pasted was truncated.  Sorta, but not exactly like the (unexpanded) IO UI display below. 








Everything below the [...] (more) click-on is truncated and the [ ... ] click-on itself (above, IO UI) is vaporized in the iMail that I received  

-k


moderated Re: Suggested updates to message footer

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/02/27 07:21 PM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io wrote:

I don't know why my example (of the reply running together with orig msg) didn't work.  It was in my reply ”correctly” - but for whatever reason io stripped out something or other.
I think I saw what you were trying to illustrate:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/20008

Here's what it looked like in my e-mail program (attachment).

Samuel


moderated Re: Suggested updates to message footer

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/02/27 05:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
All I had to do to include the selective quote from your message
was to highlight the bit I wanted to focus on and then click on
"Reply". The highlighted passage was /automatically/ imported into
the reply for me. It could hardly be easier.
And this has been "standard operating procedure" on a wide variety of
web forum interfaces for a very long time now.
Which just goes to show that we all move in some very different circles. I have never encountered the behaviour you/Chris mention (although it might exist without me knowing about it), and it would never have occurred to me to even try it.

(It does work that way in my e-mail program, although I guess I've never gotten into the habit of using it because it means you have to decide what text you want to quote BEFORE you click "Reply", heh-heh.)

What I have seen on may web forums is that there is both a "Reply" and a
"Quote" button (but yes: the "Quote" button quotes everything).

Your only choice with the quoting mechanism is to quote the whole
message and then take out what you don't want/need in the reply
composition window.
I've been doing this for years. (-:

Samuel


moderated Gmail From line re-writing

 

Hi All,

FYI, I've started to proactively look for Gmail hosted domains, and setting them so that the From line for messages sent by those users back to themselves is re-written. (I'm looking at the DNS MX records for these domains, which point to google.com).

I'm looking at maybe doing something similar for Exchange, but it's not clear to me how or if I should do that.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Suggested updates to message footer

KWKloeber
 

Re: copy/paste:
 
Maybe I’m misinterpreting, but I see no need to use separate windows.  I find it simple. 
There’s pry nothing more convoluted than doing such bottom-copying, than on an iOS phone.  Certainly on a tab or windows laptop is easier. 
 
I just:
1) Highlight (”select-all” or handles, depending); 
2) Reply; 
3) Paste into my reply email.  
 
Why are separate windows necessary - I’m in only the email app.  What am I missing?
 
And if I’m using a web io UI window it’s even easier to copy the orig msg.  OR, copy/paste only the txt you want bottom-copied and block quote it (apply indent and the left side bar [pipe?]).
 
I don't know why my example (of the reply running together with orig msg) didn't work.  It was in my reply ”correctly” - but for whatever reason io stripped out something or other. 
 
BTW - unrelated but it's not just iMail that ran together the example I tried to show (delivered email lost the indent & pipe) - the Outlook app did it as well. 
 
Email has been around forever; why can't they all just play nice together?
 
-k


moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

 

Not necessarily. NC's in at least one of the groups I moderate are scattered throughout a 3,000-member list.


On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 9:57 AM Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@...> wrote:



I don't understand why you have to go thru the whole member list. NC's should
be among only your most recent new members, so they should near the top if
sorted chronologically.

Jim H









--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Linda at 2/27/2019 03:09 PM UTC:

Having to go through the whole member list to nudge NCs to confirm is time consuming. If the NCs could be listed separately, as bouncing members are, it would be very helpful.

I don't understand why you have to go thru the whole member list. NC's should be among only your most recent new members, so they should near the top if sorted chronologically.

Jim H


moderated Re: Suggested updates to message footer

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
All I had to do to include the selective quote from your message was to highlight the bit I wanted to focus on and then click on "Reply". The highlighted passage was automatically imported into the reply for me. It could hardly be easier.
And this has been "standard operating procedure" on a wide variety of web forum interfaces for a very long time now.

It makes me crazy on the other site where I am heavily involved as a moderator that it doesn't work this way.  Your only choice with the quoting mechanism is to quote the whole message and then take out what you don't want/need in the reply composition window.  That's a grand PITA when you want a single line or two as context from a hugely long previous post.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)


moderated Re: Suggested updates to message footer

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:52 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
By the way, I've just noticed that when you reply via the web interface, the original e-mail is not quoted. Now I understand why people [think that they need to] copy/paste stuff when replying via the web interface.
Quoting an entire previous message when replying to it is "very bad form" IMO unless it is absolutely essental  All I had to do to include the selective quote from your message was to highlight the bit I wanted to focus on and then click on "Reply". The highlighted passage was automatically imported into the reply for me. It could hardly be easier.

Chris


moderated Re: Suggested updates to message footer

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Saa umuel,

          How threading is presented is generally controllable within the e-mail client itself.  Even in your example, the end result in following classic threaded view versus conversation view is whether the date sort is ascending or descending for all practical intents and purposes.  Outlook can be set to use the "classic indented view" in conversations and give you the threaded view you show.

           As has already been pointed out, threading is generally handled in different ways by different clients.  But whatever the method, within a client the behavior is consistent.  Threading can easily be broken in many where both subject and header information must match or where only subject must match.  One tiny tweak to the subject line breaks threading, and that happens in Groups.io all the time.   One of my primary tasks as a moderator is "re-threading" topics that have been accidentally split by one of the end users tweaking the subject line.   It drives me utterly insane when there's been a topic on, say, "Knitting a Classic Cable Sweater," where at various times users do things like changing the subject, mid-topic, to something like, "I know this tip for making this sweater!," or, "Thanks for all the help" at the end.  Long term users of e-mail lists and online forums both were taught, at one time, that you never, ever, ever do this.

            As a general rule, I believe in educating users to the conventions that have been commonly in use for decades now for communities such as this one.  Others wish to come up with ways for the software to "figure out" how to manage behaviors [as far as subject changes, etc.] that they shouldn't have to manage in the first place.  In my experience, all that does is make things messier, and messier, and messier as people keep  doing all sorts of stuff they need to know that you just don't do.

            Cyber society, like society at large, has conventions that those entering it are obligated to learn and use.  Their own choices of platforms imposes the obligation on them to learn how to accomplish the same thing multiple ways.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)


moderated Re: CHRIS - [beta] photos -- need feature to delete more than one photo at a time - SUSIE

Susie <SuzyQuda0310@...>
 

ok, I understand.

and yes, they do need to be deleted one at a time.

In a message dated 2/27/2019 10:24:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, chrisjones12@... writes:

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 02:26 PM, Susie wrote:
only options for the photos are:
Message
Download
Delete
Report This Photo
Ah... are you looking to delete "proper" photos that have been uploaded or photos that have been sent as Attachments. Your mention of "Message" above points to your looking at the emailed photos album, i.e. those sent as attachments, and indeed there is no "move" capability for those.

They can only be deleted one by one, and yes it is tedious, especially if your subscribers have images as part of their signatures.

Chris


moderated Re: CHRIS - [beta] photos -- need feature to delete more than one photo at a time - SUSIE

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 02:26 PM, Susie wrote:
only options for the photos are:
Message
Download
Delete
Report This Photo
Ah... are you looking to delete "proper" photos that have been uploaded or photos that have been sent as Attachments. Your mention of "Message" above points to your looking at the emailed photos album, i.e. those sent as attachments, and indeed there is no "move" capability for those.

They can only be deleted one by one, and yes it is tedious, especially if your subscribers have images as part of their signatures.

Chris


moderated Bulk reminders for NCs #suggestion

Linda
 

Hello,
Having to go through the whole member list to nudge NCs to confirm is time consuming. If the NCs could be listed separately, as bouncing members are, it would be very helpful.
 
Thanks for ALL you do, Mark!
 
Linda


moderated Re: CHRIS - [beta] photos -- need feature to delete more than one photo at a time - SUSIE

Susie <SuzyQuda0310@...>
 

Hi Chris,

I appreciate you replying about this.
I just opened the Photos Section and I don't see an option to Move any photos to another album.
I would have to open each photo in question, and delete one at a time.
only options for the photos are:
Message
Download
Delete
Report This Photo

since we are limited to a specific storage limit with a free account, there's nothing that tells me what size each photo is, or to be able to sort by size, to delete the larger files first, to make more space.


In a message dated 2/27/2019 6:45:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, chrisjones12@... writes:

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 03:07 PM, Susie wrote:
I think it would a nice feature in the Photos Section to be able to select more than one photo at a time,
There is one option that might save a lot of clicks and therefore time, but the actual saving may depend on how your Photo archive is structured.

Ceate a new album called For Deletion. Go through your photos and use the Move function to place unwanted photos in the For Deletion album.

Then simply delete the For Deletion album in one go.

Chris.


moderated Re: Apply to Join button on the main group screen

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/02/26 11:21 PM, Beth Weld wrote:

I have a restricted group, and I do not want people to be able to apply to join the group from the main group page (the one you see if you aren't logged in).
In the mean time, you can set a "pending" notice at:
https://groups.io/g/zalang/membernotices
which will be sent to any members who apply to join.

It won't prevent all the rest (e.g. users will still get the message asking them to confirm their e-mail address, etc.).

I agree that there should be an option to remove the "Apply for membership" button, at least.

Samuel


moderated Re: Apply to Join button on the main group screen

Beth Weld
 

Thank you both. I have put messages on the home page - in large letters in RED, but it seems to do no good. My group is restricted in that people can't just join. I would like to further restrict it by not even having the apply button available.  I don't want to take the group out of the IO directory in case people see it there and are interested. But - we have a separate process (as others do too), and it has to be followed before we direct add them. Maybe a point that I didn't state - we are a premium group and don't use the invitation process so are restricted more than most.
Thanks
Beth


moderated Re: photos -- need feature to delete more than one photo at a time - SUSIE

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 03:07 PM, Susie wrote:
I think it would a nice feature in the Photos Section to be able to select more than one photo at a time,
There is one option that might save a lot of clicks and therefore time, but the actual saving may depend on how your Photo archive is structured.

Ceate a new album called For Deletion. Go through your photos and use the Move function to place unwanted photos in the For Deletion album.

Then simply delete the For Deletion album in one go.

Chris.


moderated Re: Suggested updates to message footer

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 2019/02/27 11:20 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:

There must be a clear and easy to find option for people to reply to a
post direct to sender and quote the original. The fact that people keep
asking means it is not clear and easy...
Unfortunately, quoting the original (when using an e-mail program) can only happen if the user clicks a button in the e-mail program itself.

I'm sure you're aware, there is no way to formulate a hyperlink in an e-mail that causes the subsequently opening draft message to contain a quote from the original message.

My advice to users of my Yahoogroup has always been:
1. Go to the bottom of the message and copy the sender's address.
2. Then click the REPLY button.
3. Then delete the group's e-mail address in the TO field and paste the sender's address in it.

This involves three steps (too many for some, but not too many for most) but is reasonably simple.

With the current HTML footer, I would have to explain to users that they must right-click the "Reply To Sender" link to get the sender's e-mail address, and hope that users' e-mail programs are smart enough to strip the fake "subject line" from the link when pasting in the TO field.

What do you think of the Yahoogroups method, i.e. that the sender's e-mail address is mentioned in clear text in the footer?

==

By the way, I've just noticed that when you reply via the web interface, the original e-mail is not quoted. Now I understand why people [think that they need to] copy/paste stuff when replying via the web interface.

Oh, wait, I've just noticed the small balloon icon in the "Formatting" toolbar, and yes: that is the button you should click to quote the post you're replying to.

It also took me a while to figure out how to send a reply to sender via the web interface. Most intuitive for me would have been that the "More" nav burger would have an option "Reply to sender", or that clicking the "Reply" link would give me that option, or that there be a separate button called "Reply To Sender". Instead, you have to click the "Reply" link and then click the "Private" link on the far right of the screen, which causes the green "Reply to Group" button to change into a blue "Reply To Sender" button. Worth putting that in my group's FAQ...

Samuel


moderated Re: photos -- need feature to delete more than one photo at a time - SUSIE

dave w
 

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 04:07 AM, Susie wrote:
think it would a nice feature in the Photos Section to be able to select more than one photo at a time, to delete.
or, maybe a feature to select Edit, and choose which photos you'd like to delete, or select dates to be deleted, etc.
 
Susie,
I and others have to agree with the basics of this.
I'm guessing something of the interface is limiting the ability to get it done quickly.
No I haven't checked every thread before posting this,
respectfully, davew

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