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moderated Improve the "Your group has been approved" notice

 

Mark,

A member of GMF created a new group and incidentally observed:

"By the way, my email that said my group was approved said that if I
 have any questions, I should feel free to ask.  The email was sent from
 a "no reply" email. Oh, the irony."

My first thought was to suggest adding a link to the Questions and Bugs section of the help page.

One reason not to do that is that links in a short message sometimes tip a message into the "Spam" folder at some email services. So an alternative might be to send the notice From beta's +Help address - which will send the user similar info.

Another option would be to rewrite the last sentence:



to something like:

"Please let us know if you have any questions or suggestions. Go to any
 Groups.io page and click on the Help link (in the top bar on the right)
 for further information.

 And thank you for choosing Groups.io Groups."

Shal


moderated Is there a way to reconfigure settings so the index at the top of the digest displays the posters' names

Ellen Moody
 

A member on one of my groups.io says she read postings by looking to who wrote them. But she finds the way the postings are configured, she sees the header and not the poster.

Can anyone offer directions on what she could do to make the name of the person who wrote a posting the prominent label?

Ellen


moderated Re: #featurerequest Google Maps Toggle option for Directions #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Of course it is.
Takes more than a single stroke of the hammer to drive the nail in.
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Facebook calendar integration

William Finn
 

Just an idea that would make owners and managers life so much easier.

Some of us have groups that populate calendar of events to the public. 
In doing so there is often the need to publish the calendar of events into multiple locations such as Facebook events and so on.

I think a way to have Facebook events populate the group calendar or have Groups.io calendar populate Facebook events for a particular page.

Also integration with Meetup would also help.

Today I post calendar events into 4 different locations. It would be nice to have one where I can post the event and it gets populated to all the others. 

Liam 


moderated Re: From address re-writing

KWKloeber
 

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark

Yeah.  Thought for the day (or early morning as it were.) Remember when we were lied to about all this “going paperless” stuff was going to make our lives so much simpler and easier”?
How’s that workin out for Mark?
😳🥺😱😉😜🤪🥺🤯
Ken

Sent from my phone


moderated Re: #featurerequest Google Maps Toggle option for Directions #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Bob,

This seems to be a repeat of part of your previous request at https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/29189236#19607

Or am I missing something?

Andy


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • CHANGE: Made group icons clickable in the mobile home page.
  • CHANGE: Added a switch to summary button when unsubscribing from the Edit Subscription page.
  • CHANGE: Increased the write timeout of the api server to partially fix an issue where archive downloads were taking a long time to generate.
  • CHANGE: When setting up a hashtag alias, make the explanatory text more clear.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: From address re-writing

 

I wrote:


I think my idea would handle your #2, #3, and #4.

Or not.

#4 applies to all messages to that account, not just the user's own messages. If exposed as a user Account control it would probably need to be a separate control from the one for one's own messages. Likewise in the group's Default Sub. Settings.

So, yeah, it is a little less slick than I was thinking.

Shal
P.S. My apologies to you Windows nerds out there for accidentally speaking the devil's name. You know who you are because you heard it go "clang" in your mind when you read it. The rest of you are safe.


moderated Re: From address re-writing

 

John,


Me having a Yahoo address, my From line has been rewritten from the beginning, and I'm happy with that. 

You're talking about case #1 in Mark's message. I don't think he's proposing any changes to that case.

If I suddenly switched domains to one that didn't need rewriting, but the option were there to enable it anyway, I would likely take that option.  I like that recipients can easily distinguish using the From line if I posted or am directly mailing them.

I don't think you need that option to get that effect. Depending on the other members' email interfaces of course. Many of them (including Gmail at least) mark list messages as "via groups.io" even when the From address is not re-written.

Tight groups of members, which are likely to all be on one particular domain, might prefer it the other way, where the From line reflects the member's email address.  If I have a team of 20 from whatever.org, and I want to auto-filter all mail from whatever.org in some way, having to worry about a groups.io domain complicates things.

What happens in that case depends on where "whatever.org" buys its email service. If the email service they hired (or if they run their own and it) publishes the DMARC reject policy in its DNS entries then the From address rewriting is pretty much required on any list message from a user of that domain. That would be an all-or-none situation for the team from whatever.org.
Usually the better filter choice is to use the group's subject tag. That could catch off-list messages from team members if the message started as a reply to a list message, but it is a judgement call whether the user would have wanted that to happen.

Best is to filter based on the List-Id header field, but sadly I suspect that relatively few people use an interface that can do that, or would know how to do that if they could.

Shal


moderated Re: From address re-writing

 

Mark,

Shal proposed the group setting be in the default sub settings page. But I don't know how that would work. None of those existing settings have a corresponding user setting, which makes it easy to just use them when creating a subscription.

Not true.

I proposed that it work like the Time Zone, Time Display, and Date Display controls on the Default Sub Settings. Those correspond to Account (not Subscription) controls.

If this was a default sub setting, how would we know when to use the default sub setting vs the user's setting? 

The Account control always takes precedence, the Default Sub Setting only applies when a new account is created.

Now we could, and probably should, consider splitting these Account-related controls into a separate "Default Acct. Settings" tab in the group's settings page, for clarity on what they apply to and how. Or at least put section boxes around the defaults for new Subscriptions versus those for new Accounts.

I also propose a third, system wide, maintained by me list of domains that are known to run Exchange/corresponding to #4 above.

I think my idea would handle your #2, #3, and #4.

In the case of #2 I'd have the "gmail.com" test, when true, take precedence over the group's Def Sub Setting when creating a new account. Likewise in the case of #4 when a domain matches your internal list could take precedence.

Granted that does mean that the group's Default Sub Setting for this becomes more of a hint than a control. If this seems too mysterious, you could have a sentence under the control (in the user's Account page) that says "This feature turned on because your email address is at gmail.com" or "... is handled by an Exchange server", or "... group XYZ chose that default for you".

In the case of #3 would it be useful for you to keep a system-wide list of domains "known" to be handled by gmail.com? I don't know if those are all essentially "vanity" domains used by one or a very few accounts, or if some of them are larger organizations that outsource their email service and many new accounts would benefit from you having noticing them. Nor am I entirely sure how you would "notice" them other than something creepily Amazon-like ("you have this default because most users of your email domain prefer this setting").

This list of domains would over-rule the per-user and per-group setting in forcing From line re-writing of messages sent to those domains. I'd ask people with knowledge of these domains to send them to me.

Does that mean in those cases you would disable the control in the user's Account page?  That might be appropriate.

Or maybe it would be better to let the user experiment with the consequences of un-setting it. Maybe users who un-set it and keep it that way represent a valuable signal that the list might be in error, or needing some form of refinement.

Shal


moderated Re: From address re-writing

 

Me having a Yahoo address, my From line has been rewritten from the beginning, and I'm happy with that. If I suddenly switched domains to one that didn't need rewriting, but the option were there to enable it anyway, I would likely take that option. I like that recipients can easily distinguish using the From line if I posted or am directly mailing them.

Tight groups of members, which are likely to all be on one particular domain, might prefer it the other way, where the From line reflects the member's email address. If I have a team of 20 from whatever.org, and I want to auto-filter all mail from whatever.org in some way, having to worry about a groups.io domain complicates things. It's not something that couldn't be worked around, just more complicated. I don't know if anyone actually does this; I just like to think up situations where something would be harder.

JohnF


moderated Re: From address re-writing

 

I don't know any of the general answers, but I would like to reiterate that currently, the bcc on a Send Message to member is not being handled properly in gmail and still (or rather, again, since after the "From" rewriting for the other messages sent back to the same member) results in the spam warning.


On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 1:44 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,


There seem to be four cases where we need to re-write the From address (and possibly Reply-To/CC) in a message:

1) When DMARC says we have to, we re-write the From line in messages *from* that domain.
2) When someone is on a @gmail.com domain, we need to re-write the From line in messages that they originate that we send back to them.
3) When someone is using Gmail on a different domain, we need to re-write the From line in messages that they originate that we send back to them (same as #2 except we can't use a simple @gmail.com check).
4) The From line in all messages sent *to* (many/most) Exchange servers.

We currently do 1 and 2. From the other topic, here are the proposed new settings:

- Per user setting to have all From lines re-written in messages to themselves.
- Per group setting to have all From lines re-written in messages sent within the group.

Shal proposed the group setting be in the default sub settings page. But I don't know how that would work. None of those existing settings have a corresponding user setting, which makes it easy to just use them when creating a subscription. If this was a default sub setting, how would we know when to use the default sub setting vs the user's setting? 

I also propose a third, system wide, maintained by me list of domains that are known to run Exchange/corresponding to #4 above. This list of domains would over-rule the per-user and per-group setting in forcing From line re-writing of messages sent to those domains. I'd ask people with knowledge of these domains to send them to me.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated From address re-writing

 

Hi All,


There seem to be four cases where we need to re-write the From address (and possibly Reply-To/CC) in a message:

1) When DMARC says we have to, we re-write the From line in messages *from* that domain.
2) When someone is on a @gmail.com domain, we need to re-write the From line in messages that they originate that we send back to them.
3) When someone is using Gmail on a different domain, we need to re-write the From line in messages that they originate that we send back to them (same as #2 except we can't use a simple @gmail.com check).
4) The From line in all messages sent *to* (many/most) Exchange servers.

We currently do 1 and 2. From the other topic, here are the proposed new settings:

- Per user setting to have all From lines re-written in messages to themselves.
- Per group setting to have all From lines re-written in messages sent within the group.

Shal proposed the group setting be in the default sub settings page. But I don't know how that would work. None of those existing settings have a corresponding user setting, which makes it easy to just use them when creating a subscription. If this was a default sub setting, how would we know when to use the default sub setting vs the user's setting? 

I also propose a third, system wide, maintained by me list of domains that are known to run Exchange/corresponding to #4 above. This list of domains would over-rule the per-user and per-group setting in forcing From line re-writing of messages sent to those domains. I'd ask people with knowledge of these domains to send them to me.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated #featurerequest Google Maps Toggle option for Directions #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Mark,
The map in Premium & Enterprise groups is a great idea.
A killer addition would be to have the option to switch between a straight map and Google Directions
so that once you settle on a database identified place you could switch to Directions to find your way there.

--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Virus scanning

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 06:59 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
 

Does your virus scanning detect problems in a zipped attachment?

Yes it does.
Mark; thanks for the prompt reply! :)

Chris


moderated Re: Give unsubscribing members ‘special notice’ option if no-email is disabled #suggestion

 

Well at least some good came out of this misbegotten thread! It turns out that the member who left yesterday due to “too many emails” was actually receiving the emails from a different group besides ours and was confused. I put her on Special Notice yesterday and this morning she emailed me complaining that she was still getting tons of emails. lol 


On Feb 21, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:09 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark, I didn't test message footers. From the web, you get only the option for Special Notices. Maybe they don't currently match?


Good catch. I've added a switch to special notices button there to match the /leave page.

Thanks,
Mark 

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Virus scanning

Sandra Pickens-Gmail
 

Mark,

I was the group owner that approved an email from a member that had a zip file attached.  I do not know if the zip file was a virus because I did not open the zip file. The group is FriedbergFriends.  Anything you need from me to investigate?  I removed the email from the group, but still have a copy in my personal email.

 

Sandra Pickens

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 1:58 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Virus scanning

 

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:06 AM Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:


Does your virus scanning detect problems in a zipped attachment?

Yes it does.

 

I would like to know if a virus-infected file did get through the virus scanning. Someone recently contacted support about one such incident, but I haven't been able to verify it yet. From the logs, we don't actually see many virus infected files.

 

 

Thanks,
Mark

 


moderated Re: Give unsubscribing members ‘special notice’ option if no-email is disabled #suggestion

 

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:09 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark, I didn't test message footers. From the web, you get only the option for Special Notices. Maybe they don't currently match?


Good catch. I've added a switch to special notices button there to match the /leave page.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Virus scanning

 

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:06 AM Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Does your virus scanning detect problems in a zipped attachment?

Yes it does.

I would like to know if a virus-infected file did get through the virus scanning. Someone recently contacted support about one such incident, but I haven't been able to verify it yet. From the logs, we don't actually see many virus infected files.


Thanks,
Mark
 


moderated Re: Virus scanning

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 04:25 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
My default implementation would be to turn it on so that it blocks all emails, files and photos that it finds has a virus or phishing attempt.
Mark; this thread has been referenced on GMF following someone reporting that a group member (actual group not reported) had had their email spoofed and a zipped attachment sent to the group.

Does your virus scanning detect problems in a zipped attachment?

Chris

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