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moderated Re: Advanced Search Functionality - Is it coming? #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

         This is not meant to be as argumentative as it may sound, but the ability to use the * wildcard would not be considered regex capability by anyone familiar with regular expressions.

          Wildcarding is supported in many contexts where regular expressions are not.  Until or unless something more akin to full regular expression syntax were to be supported I'd avoid making any reference to regular expressions as part of the Groups.io search.

           It's useful to know that this is the extent of what is supported, and I thank you for saying so.
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moderated Re: Embed image within text

KWKloeber
 

Rex

Are you creating the message w/ your email application or thru the io web interface?

Are you speaking of finding the pic being attached (rather than embedded) when you (and members) receive the mirrored email from the group? Or when the message is composed?


moderated Re: Slack integration affected by sub-group setup?

 

Rob,

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 8:04 PM Rob Gordon <rob@...> wrote:
Does anyone know?  I am just trying to find out if the subgroup structure affects the Slack integration.  Group leaders on the group managers group sent me here because they didn't know.  Is Slack still supported?  It is a wonderful feature but I need to know how subgroups affects it before I launch a site. 

I believe there is an issue with subgroups and the Slack integration, specifically the use of subdomains and OAUTH, as you've noticed. I haven't had a chance to investigate. The Slack integration is not a popular feature, so I haven't prioritized fixing that aspect of it.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Advanced Search Functionality - Is it coming? #suggestion

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 6:36 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
If regular expressions are actually supported, it would be really helpful to know what flavor/syntax (see: https://regex101.com/) is required.

I believe that * works. I now don't think I have it set up for any other regex queries. Regex queries are apparently very resource intensive, and I'm seeing that a bit with the limited * searches that people are doing. 

I put this here since Mark may see it and be able to answer the question easily and quickly. 

Better advanced search is on the TODO, but I'm not sure when I will get to it. It's below my two current (and delayed...) main priorities, the ability for group owners to charge subscriptions, and an iOS/Android app.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:56 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I'm going to make a change in the process however. For new groups requesting a transfer, I'm going to ask that they pay for a year of premium up front (they can of course downgrade after that). There are 8 groups that gave the go ahead to transfer between the time that transfers stopped working and when I took down the transfer page. I will grandfather them and not require they pay the year of premium.

The yahoo transfer page, at https://groups.io/yahootransfer is working once again.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 5:49 AM Margery Flax <marigold20@...> wrote:
If I already have a premium account for one of my groups, and if I want to export a few more and make them subgroups, do I still have to pay for the transfers?

No, the premium account is for the parent group only.
 
And, with subgroups, must all the members of the subgroup be a part of the main group?  And, is there a detailed explanation of how subgroups work available.

Yes, members of the subgroups must be members of the parent group.

Hope this helps.
Mark 


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

 

So it seems both of you (Shal and Dave) want members to be able to post to the subgroup but not read messages in it. (I just created a test group to see if that configuration is even possible, and it is.) The upshot is that they can send single messages but not participate in conversations that the single messages might lead to. I suppose it makes sense on some level (e.g., I can send a complaint to the city street sweeping dept - which I just did lol - but I can't communicate further with them after that in a message thread). 

So that said, I think the suggested workaround of making the subgroup members main-group mods, with only the permission to receive owner messages, could work, at least until the desired functionality is implemented. Further, it - unlike the "post to but not read" subgroup idea - would allow further conversations, if desired, by using "bcc all." With the post-to-but-not-read subgroup, you couldn't do it at all.
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J

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moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

 

Dave,


Did I miss something?

I don't think so. I have the same use case, and the same request, in my PTA group.

The members of the school's PTA unit are (allowed to be) subscribers to the unit's primary group. The board members of the unit (a much smaller number of people) are subscribers to the "Board" subgroup.

The primary group members are already (in my estimation) trusted enough to be allowed to send messages to the board, but they should not be allowed to see the other conversations going on among the board. The primary and subgroup setup seem perfectly well suited for this.

Except for that one (in my case minor) annoyance that the subgroup can't be set to allow primary group members to post without moderation. For my case this a minor annoyance because it doesn't happen all that often that a unit member wants to contact the board. So having to approve the occasional non-subscriber message pending in the board subgroup isn't a major hassle. But as they say, "your mileage may vary" -- the need for prompt message delivery to the board might well be more pressing for other use cases.

Shal


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

Dave B.
 

J, just saw your last post.  I'll experiment with your suggestion.

Dave


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

Dave B.
 

J, thanks for your thoughts.  We're paid up through August, so we're not going anywhere else right now.

Dave


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

 

Here's another concern regarding your request: It sounds like what you desire is the ability of subgroup non-members to post to the subgroup, but not read messages in it. (Because if you also allowed them to read messages in it, then what is the point of having the subgroup and keeping them out?)

And if that's what you want, then the subgroup accomplishes only letting subgroup non-members to send one message to the board. It does not allow them to participate in a back-and-forth conversation with the board, because they would not be privy to the responses within that conversation.

And if THAT'S true, then the suggestion broached here of making the board members main-group moderators with limited permissions accomplishes exactly what you want.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 01:03 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
making the board members into group owners
typo, should read

making the board members into group moderators 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:33 PM, Dave B. wrote:
Board members should not see moderation requests or need to do any extraordinary bcc'ing.  Their focus is on the business of the Board, not on making the email system work a certain way. 
Moderators do not have to see any moderation requests, nor do they have to do, or receive, ANYTHING except emails addressed to the group owner address.

If you are concerned with them seeing only each initial message from homeowners, making them main-group moderators accomplishes exactly that with no further ado, including bcc'ing.

If on the other hand you anticipate longer conversations beyond a single initial message sent by a homeowner, they would simply have to check "bcc all moderators" on their response.

I can't answer your question as to why your feature is available in yahoo but not here, but I do think that meanwhile, if you plan to stay in groups.io, making the board members into group owners with extremely limited moderator permissions is a reasonable workaround for you. I would suggest familiarizing yourself with moderator permissions.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

Dave B.
 

I appreciate everyone's thoughts here, but I'm not sure everyone understands what I've said or appreciates the challenge of our situation.  I never said that we needed people from outside the group to post to the group, we simply want unit owners -- members of the main group -- to be able to post to the Board subgroup without moderation.  Absolutely disallowing this seems to be an unreasonable restriction.  Seems like it should be a configuration option.  Of course, if there's a reasonable workaround (invisible to the Board) we would go that way, but so far the suggestions add burdens to the Board members that they're not willing to carry.  For example, Board members should not see moderation requests or need to do any extraordinary bcc'ing.  Their focus is on the business of the Board, not on making the email system work a certain way. 

I'm posting here because I believe that it's a reasonable request that an option be provided for main group members to post to the subgroup without moderation.  This was not a problem for us when we were with Yahoo Groups.  (We are otherwise glad to be done with them...)  I'm actually curious to know why this isn't an option already.

Thanks,
Dave 


moderated Re: Embed image within text

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Rex,

yes,  just copy your image to clipboard and paste it in where needed, like so:



Regards,
Andy


moderated Embed image within text

Rex Chadwell
 

Is there a way to embed an image within text? If that's not clear:
   Blah, blah, blah, text
   .jpg
   Blah, blah, blah, text

Currently my .jpg ends up being an attachment at the bottom of the message.
Thanks,
Rex


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:56 AM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
essentially the Board "owns" the homeowners' message board,
I agree with this and that's why I, too, suggested simply making the board members owners or moderators of the main group. You'd have to bcc all moderators (aka board members) on any subsequent messages in the conversation beyond the first one, instead of having the whole conversation automatically go to the subgroup. But at least the whole board would automatically receive the first message sent by the homeowner, with no problem of moderation.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

Bob Bellizzi
 

It would seem to me that only members and not "anybody" should be able to post to the main (homeowners') group
Why would you wish the world to be able to post to your homeowners' group?
If someone wished to contact your homeowner's group they could write to groupname+owner@...
which is listed on the home page of each group.

Board members should also be members of the main group but as Moderators &/or owners.
They wouldn't have to receive emails except possibly Special Notices, in fact, they would most likely 
utilize those for announcements and could also control and use the calendar to notify homeowners' 
of dates of major interest to the homeowners.

Board members only should be members of the subgroup.
You should allow all members of the main group post without moderation which would relieve the burden of moderation.
But, essentially the Board "owns" the homeowners' message board, controls it and is responsible for its maintenance 
and proper running.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

Frances
 

Could members of the subgroup - the "Board" - monitor the main group?
Use the subgroup to discuss things?
Forward anything that the full subgroup - the "Board" - needs to know to the subgroup.
Or do the messages for the subgroup require privacy?

This may not work for you, but I wonder if you should look at how you are using your groups. 

Frances


moderated Re: Is there any hope on unmoderation?

Dave B.
 

Sharon, thanks for your thoughts.  I have always checked "Allow Non Subscribers to Post," but posts from non-members of the subgroup still require moderation, even if they are members of the main group.  Did I miss something?