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moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

Duane
 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 07:56 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
Sadly that will mean that many groups who cannot afford the cost of
premium will be discouraged from moving to GIO.
It shouldn't keep them from moving, they'd just have to do everything manually.  My groups also 'moved' about 4 years ago, but we decided to start mostly fresh, so very little from Yahoo was needed.  Even with our fairly small number of users, we could have collected enough donations to pay $110 for a one year upgrade if we had wanted everything copied for us.

Duane


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

Duane
 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 07:49 AM, Margery Flax wrote:
And, with subgroups, must all the members of the subgroup be a part of the main group?  And, is there a detailed explanation of how subgroups work available.
This part I can try to answer.  Yes, in order to be a member of a subgroup, they must be members of the main group.  Otherwise, subgroups are pretty much independent of groups and have all of their own settings.

They may not cover all of the details, but there are a couple of good helper pages for subgroups at https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup and https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Subgroups.

Duane


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

Dave Sergeant
 

Sadly that will mean that many groups who cannot afford the cost of
premium will be discouraged from moving to GIO. All my own groups moved
long ago but there may be many caught out by this change. I assume even
if they do later downgrade the initial payment is non refundable or
have I misunderstood?

Dave

On 11 Feb 2019 at 18:56, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I'm going to make a change in the process however. For new groups
requesting a transfer, I'm going to ask that they pay for a year of
premium up front (they can of course downgrade after that).

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

Margery Flax
 

If I already have a premium account for one of my groups, and if I want to export a few more and make them subgroups, do I still have to pay for the transfers?

And, with subgroups, must all the members of the subgroup be a part of the main group?  And, is there a detailed explanation of how subgroups work available.

Thanks,
Margery


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

Victor Mendez
 

Hello Mark,

Thank for your help. I'll just wating for the export from Y! Groups to start using groups.io, so, I'll be happy to pay a year premium.

Thanks again.

V.


El mar., 12 feb. 2019 a las 0:48, Mark Fletcher (<markf@corp.groups.io>) escribió:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:59 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 06:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If you are one of the 8 groups that gave the go ahead but have changed your mind for whatever reason, please contact me.
I would probably contact those people directly if you can...??? They may not be reading here and could be in for a surprise. :)
 
A good idea. Will do.

Thanks,
Mark 



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moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

Olympia Friends Meeting
 

Mark, I don't think I am one of those eight but my plan has been to pay for the year Premium all along.
So unless I hear otherwise I'll start the transfer process and pay tomorrow.

This is great news.
Thanks,
Gabi


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:59 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 06:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If you are one of the 8 groups that gave the go ahead but have changed your mind for whatever reason, please contact me.
I would probably contact those people directly if you can...??? They may not be reading here and could be in for a surprise. :)
 
A good idea. Will do.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

CWGI Director, Brandy Brow <director.brow@...>
 

I know one of the eight and her group just transferred, for which she'll be grateful.

Thank you, Mark.


Brandy Brow
Executive Director
Christian Writers' Group International (CWGI)
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Freelance Editor & Writer
"Medicine for Words and Hearts"


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports attn catlady

Leeni
 

They won't be in for a surprise as Mark said he is going to Grandfather them in so those 8 groups won't have to pay.
 
Any new transfers will however. Ilene 
 
 
 
 

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From: J_Catlady
Date: 2/11/2019 8:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Yahoo Group exports
 
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 06:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If you are one of the 8 groups that gave the go ahead but have changed your mind for whatever reason, please contact me.
I would probably contact those people directly if you can...??? They may not be reading here and could be in for a surprise. :)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

 


moderated Re: Yahoo Group exports

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 06:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If you are one of the 8 groups that gave the go ahead but have changed your mind for whatever reason, please contact me.
I would probably contact those people directly if you can...??? They may not be reading here and could be in for a surprise. :)
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Yahoo Group exports

 

Hi All,

I had a bit of a brainstorm today and after some work, figured out how to make Yahoo Group exports work once again.

I'm going to make a change in the process however. For new groups requesting a transfer, I'm going to ask that they pay for a year of premium up front (they can of course downgrade after that). There are 8 groups that gave the go ahead to transfer between the time that transfers stopped working and when I took down the transfer page. I will grandfather them and not require they pay the year of premium.

I will set this up either tomorrow or Wednesday and send another notice then. If you are one of the 8 groups that gave the go ahead but have changed your mind for whatever reason, please contact me. I won't transfer those groups until Wednesday.

Questions, comments?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Invite people to subgroups

Jim Higgins
 

Despite not using the word "invite," I understand... and my comments referred to subgroup moderators with NO PERMISSION to add to the main group.

Jim H



Received from Andy W at 2/11/2019 07:11 PM UTC:

Hi Jim,
Since members of a subgroup must be a member of the main group, a subgroup moderator with no permission to add to the main group should not be able to add a member to the subgroup.

Can we clarify the terminology here. Subgroup moderators (with the right permissions) have been able to Direct Add members from the main group membership list. The new feature allows them to invite members.

to add members to the main group ONLY by adding them to the subgroup,

This is what the invite at subgroup level achieves as by accepting a subgroup invite, a user is also added to the main group.

Regards,
ANdy


moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:11 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I would suggest that a "To:" field be added to the Reply window, either just above or just below the "From:" field. 

The "To:" field could simply be the group name. For extra marks, it could be updated to include the full destination, depending on the type of Reply selected.
Gerald --

Adding this to the message composition window would also have the benefit of being readily visible when composing online replies, not just new topics.

In short, I like it.

Bruce


moderated Re: Invite people to subgroups

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Jim,
Since members of a subgroup must be a member of the main group, a subgroup moderator with no permission to add to the main group should not be able to add a member to the subgroup.
Can we clarify the terminology here.  Subgroup moderators (with the right permissions) have been able to Direct Add members from the main group membership list.  The new feature allows them to invite members.

to add members to the main group ONLY by adding them to the subgroup,
This is what the invite at subgroup level achieves as by accepting a subgroup invite, a user is also added to the main group.

Regards,
ANdy


moderated Re: Editing a Post to Add/Remove Attachments

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Mark Fletcher at 2/11/2019 03:56 PM UTC:

Something I've been hoping to add as an optional integration at some point:
https://www.perspectiveapi.com
With options like being able to automatically moderate any posts it thinks are toxic, or put up warning signs to people about to post such topics. Not sure how well it works, and it'd be optional of course....

I prefer to deal with problem posters via actively managing my groups. Posters who are repeatedly offensive simply get tossed.

My email client has an option called MoodWatch. If turned on - which it isn't - it warns of harsh language before sending as well as in incoming messages... including calling Richard by his preferred nickname. As a tool for bringing bad behavior to my attention it's far more trouble than it's worth.

Jim H


moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

Bruce Bowman
 

Frances -- Looking at your second screenshot, it is isn't obvious that we're in the "testfrances" group. No matter how they got there, folks lose track of where they are...and as one joins more and more groups (or subgroups) having similar subject matter, it becomes more of a problem.

A well-designed Sticky Wiki is one way to help head this off, and I utilize that to its full potential in my own groups. This proposal is another, but my heart won't be broken if it doesn't happen.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Invite people to subgroups

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Mark Fletcher at 2/11/2019 04:00 PM UTC:

What do other people think about this? Should this be a new/different permission? The permission is currently just worded 'Invite Members'. Previously a moderator of a subgroup who had this (but not in the parent group), could only add existing members of the parent group to the subgroup (directly adding them). Now they can invite people who are not members of the parent group to join the subgroup (they would be added to parent group automatically on joining).

Since members of a subgroup must be a member of the main group, a subgroup moderator with no permission to add to the main group should not be able to add a member to the subgroup.

I suppose you could add a new permission the Group Owner could apply to subgroup moderators that would permit the subgroup moderator (who isn't a moderator in the main group) to add members to the main group ONLY by adding them to the subgroup, but that's starting to feel a bit messy for my taste.

Jim H


moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 09:58 AM, Frances wrote:
I have have gone through my groups and gave each a distinctive icon. 
All elephants aside, I think Bruce was talking about a mistake made once you're already in a group, not when you're looking at your list of groups. (Also, you can't assign icons to groups you're a non-mod member of, and I'm seeing the icons only on mobile anyway - unless I'm missing something.) 
 
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J

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moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:29 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
It seems that some folks, when online, lose track of what group they are in and end up posting a New Topic to the wrong group.

It might be helpful if the home-page link at the top of each page (i.e.: at the root of the breadcrumb path) was bold or of a larger font (or both).

Thanks,
Bruce

 Bruce,

I am not against the idea, but I don't think that changing the format of text that someone isn't looking at would help much. I would suggest that a "To:" field be added to the Reply window, either just above or just below the "From:" field. 

The "To:" field could simply be the group name. For extra marks, it could be updated to include the full destination, depending on the type of Reply selected.

--
Gerald


moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

Frances
 

It must be through the full list of links - not through manage groups. 

I have have gone through my groups and gave each a distinctive icon. 

Less chance of error.

So the user selects the wrong group and then starts a new topic. And it is at this point you want the highlighting. 

It would be nice if GMF was a bit more distinctive- Beta has a group of elephants and Group Managers Forum has one!

Frances



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