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moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

Bruce Bowman
 

Frances -- Looking at your second screenshot, it is isn't obvious that we're in the "testfrances" group. No matter how they got there, folks lose track of where they are...and as one joins more and more groups (or subgroups) having similar subject matter, it becomes more of a problem.

A well-designed Sticky Wiki is one way to help head this off, and I utilize that to its full potential in my own groups. This proposal is another, but my heart won't be broken if it doesn't happen.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Invite people to subgroups

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Mark Fletcher at 2/11/2019 04:00 PM UTC:

What do other people think about this? Should this be a new/different permission? The permission is currently just worded 'Invite Members'. Previously a moderator of a subgroup who had this (but not in the parent group), could only add existing members of the parent group to the subgroup (directly adding them). Now they can invite people who are not members of the parent group to join the subgroup (they would be added to parent group automatically on joining).

Since members of a subgroup must be a member of the main group, a subgroup moderator with no permission to add to the main group should not be able to add a member to the subgroup.

I suppose you could add a new permission the Group Owner could apply to subgroup moderators that would permit the subgroup moderator (who isn't a moderator in the main group) to add members to the main group ONLY by adding them to the subgroup, but that's starting to feel a bit messy for my taste.

Jim H


moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 09:58 AM, Frances wrote:
I have have gone through my groups and gave each a distinctive icon. 
All elephants aside, I think Bruce was talking about a mistake made once you're already in a group, not when you're looking at your list of groups. (Also, you can't assign icons to groups you're a non-mod member of, and I'm seeing the icons only on mobile anyway - unless I'm missing something.) 
 
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moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:29 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
It seems that some folks, when online, lose track of what group they are in and end up posting a New Topic to the wrong group.

It might be helpful if the home-page link at the top of each page (i.e.: at the root of the breadcrumb path) was bold or of a larger font (or both).

Thanks,
Bruce

 Bruce,

I am not against the idea, but I don't think that changing the format of text that someone isn't looking at would help much. I would suggest that a "To:" field be added to the Reply window, either just above or just below the "From:" field. 

The "To:" field could simply be the group name. For extra marks, it could be updated to include the full destination, depending on the type of Reply selected.

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moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

Frances
 

It must be through the full list of links - not through manage groups. 

I have have gone through my groups and gave each a distinctive icon. 

Less chance of error.

So the user selects the wrong group and then starts a new topic. And it is at this point you want the highlighting. 

It would be nice if GMF was a bit more distinctive- Beta has a group of elephants and Group Managers Forum has one!

Frances




moderated Re: Invite people to subgroups

Andy Wedge
 

I'm just unclear about the rationale for this change. To anyone looking at the permissions of members at the main group level, it's not possible to determine who has access to control the membership.  A moderator of a subgroup gets access almost by proxy.

In our case, we planned to have a centrally maintained membership list with subgroup moderators being able to add previously vetted members to their own subgroups. The ability to have a centrally maintained list is one of the reasons we are looking at groups.io instead of a set of disparate Y! groups whose overall membership is difficult to control.  This latest change blows a big hole in our plans for that.

If the ability of a moderator to invite members to join a subgroup remains then I think it should be optional (distinct from Direct Add) - in which case we would disable it.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

 

That, of course, was just an example of a dumb error that no UI improvement can fix. But I think I've done it from being within a group also, as Bruce suggests, from not clearly seeing which group I was in.


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 9:43 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 09:38 AM, Frances wrote:
can you walk us through the current scenario when a mistake might be made?
I've done it. I posted a message about groups.io being down, which was meant for beta, to one of the groups I own. I can't remember how it happened but I think I clicked on the wrong group because the word "main" was in both of them, since both have subgroups.
 
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moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 09:38 AM, Frances wrote:
can you walk us through the current scenario when a mistake might be made?
I've done it. I posted a message about groups.io being down, which was meant for beta, to one of the groups I own. I can't remember how it happened but I think I clicked on the wrong group because the word "main" was in both of them, since both have subgroups.
 
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Make "current" group ID more prominent

Frances
 

Bruce, can you walk us through the current scenario when a mistake might be made?
I am assuming it is posting through the website rather than email. I don't see how you can post to the wrong group. Love to understand!

Frances


moderated Make "current" group ID more prominent

Bruce Bowman
 

It seems that some folks, when online, lose track of what group they are in and end up posting a New Topic to the wrong group.

It might be helpful if the home-page link at the top of each page (i.e.: at the root of the breadcrumb path) was bold or of a larger font (or both).

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Deleting one attachment

Leeni
 

I don't know if it is a bug report or not
But I will send it there too. Thanks 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 2/11/2019 11:12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] Deleting one attachment
 
If this is a bug report, it should be sent to support@groups.io.
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moderated Re: Deleting one attachment

 

If this is a bug report, it should be sent to support@groups.io.
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moderated Re: Invite people to subgroups

Michael Pavan
 

Subgroup members must be Group members, therefore:

If a Moderator (with permission to invite to a Subgroup and the Group) invites someone (who does not belong to the Group) to join a Subgroup, then the invitee should be invited to join the Subgroup with the invitation saying they would also by default be joining the Group.

If a Moderator (with permission to invite to a Subgroup, but not the Group*) invites someone (who does not belong to the Group) to join a Subgroup, then the invitation should not created and the Moderator should be reminded they do not have permission to invite non-Group members to join the Subgroup.
*This recognizes that such Moderators do not have permission to invite to the Group.

On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

(making this a new thread)

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:48 PM Andy W <andy_wedge@linetwo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Mark,
NEW: You can now invite someone to join a subgroup (they will be added
to the parent as well if they accept).
I've just been looking at this new feature. I think previously, moderators of subgroups could only use the Direct Add feature (if they had permission) to add members of the main group to their subgroup. Allowing moderators of subgroups to invite members to a subgroup now gives them additional permissions over membership of the main group where they may only be a subscriber. This goes against the principal of having those permissions in the first place.


What do other people think about this? Should this be a new/different permission? The permission is currently just worded 'Invite Members'. Previously a moderator of a subgroup who had this (but not in the parent group), could only add existing members of the parent group to the subgroup (directly adding them). Now they can invite people who are not members of the parent group to join the subgroup (they would be added to parent group automatically on joining).


moderated Deleting one attachment

Leeni
 

Sometimes an email comes into moderation and there is one attachment that violates group rules and needs to be removed before the rest of the email gets sent.
 
So I go to the webpage and click on edit and go to the attachments.
 
There it allows me to put a check on the attachment that needs to be deleted.
 
Then I send the message through. When the messages reaches the group ALL of the attachments are deleted, not just the one that was checked off.
 
Ilene
 


moderated Invite people to subgroups

 

(making this a new thread)

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:48 PM Andy W <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
NEW: You can now invite someone to join a subgroup (they will be added
to the parent as well if they accept).
I've just been looking at this new feature.  I think previously, moderators of subgroups could only use the Direct Add feature (if they had permission) to add members of the main group to their subgroup. Allowing moderators of subgroups to invite members to a subgroup now gives them additional permissions over membership of the main group where they may only be a subscriber.  This goes against the principal of having those permissions in the first place.


What do other people think about this? Should this be a new/different permission? The permission is currently just worded 'Invite Members'. Previously a moderator of a subgroup who had this (but not in the parent group), could only add existing members of the parent group to the subgroup (directly adding them). Now they can invite people who are not members of the parent group to join the subgroup (they would be added to parent group automatically on joining).

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Editing a Post to Add/Remove Attachments

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 7:45 AM Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I gave the group a heads up that IO was beta testing an option - the automatic SPBS filter. Stop posting bullshit. And it was working pretty well and ready to roll out. 

Some bit into the apple, believe it or not!!
_._,_._,_
Something I've been hoping to add as an optional integration at some point:


With options like being able to automatically moderate any posts it thinks are toxic, or put up warning signs to people about to post such topics. Not sure how well it works, and it'd be optional of course....


Mark 


moderated Re: Editing a Post to Add/Remove Attachments

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 07:45 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
the automatic SPBS filter
Reminds me of a product a former software manager of mine wanted to develop: a program called RunRite. You would apply it to any piece of buggy software and it would fix the bugs. 
 
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moderated Re: Editing a Post to Add/Remove Attachments

KWKloeber
 

Mark

thank you sincerely for the work you do, and the desire to improve the io platform.  

On a a lighter note I was in a heated (from a member) discussion regarding something that could and should have remained 100% fact based. You know the typical responses when someone doesn’t know the verifiable facts :-). 

I gave the group a heads up that IO was beta testing an option - the automatic SPBS filter. Stop posting bullshit. And it was working pretty well and ready to roll out. 

Some bit into the apple, believe it or not!!


moderated Weekend downtime update

 

Hi All,

I am still investigating the root cause of the downtimes this weekend. I do believe the site is stabilized.

I should have a final post-mortem later this week.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Editing a Post to Add/Remove Attachments

KWKloeber
 

I don’t see this forum as a popularity poll. If so start an effin poll.  Or Mark should institute a poll across each group if an idea is brought forward. Just who wants.  Then if it’s 51% do it.  eh?

i see follow up dialog as when one can suggest a work around, or an improvement to an improvement, or a serious pitfall why it could not work. Not well, I prefer, or piling on, or have the need to add .02 to each and every message. Start a .02 group for that. 

If if I am wrong on my assessment of why we’re here, then I relent.  But not before I see everybody weigh in on a popularity poll, not just ones with idle fingers.  
Im punchy this am, said tongue in cheek to reinforce this craziness- please take it as such. :-)
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