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moderated Re: don't send "good bye" message to member who applies and then "leaves"

 

This also occurred to me belatedly: this pending (unapproved) member "left" and received the "good-bye" notification before they even received the pending notice! 
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moderated Re: don't send "good bye" message to member who applies and then "leaves"

 

To summarize:
1. a pending member should not receive the "good bye" notice upon "leaving" (whatever "leaving" means) - this may contain information they should not be privy to
2. a pending member who "leaves" should not trigger the "left group" notice sent to moderators (very wrong and also scary)
3. a banned member should not show "date joined" as the date they were banned rather than the date they joined (and the other things in my list from that thread) 


On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:53 PM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Not sure whether to call this a bug or a suggestion: we just had a member apply to the group, then "leave" before being approved (we would not have approved this person), and is showing in her email delivery history that they received the "good bye" notice. This should not happen!!!!

I think this is part of the problem, which I mentioned before in a different thread, about what constitutes being in a group, or being a member of a group. Someone "banned" is apparently (internally) considered to be in the group, and now I see that someone who has merely applied to a group, but not yet been approved, is also apparently internally considered to be in the group in some way.

It was very distressing to get a notice "xyz left" when xyz would never have been approved in the first place. My immediate thought was "how the hell did they even get in?" Afterwards I saw that they were NOT really in the group. Etc.

I think, even more strongly now then before, that this whole area (namely, who is considered internally to be a member of a group, and everything related to that) needs to be cleaned up!!!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated don't send "good bye" message to member who applies and then "leaves"

 

Not sure whether to call this a bug or a suggestion: we just had a member apply to the group, then "leave" before being approved (we would not have approved this person), and is showing in her email delivery history that they received the "good bye" notice. This should not happen!!!!

I think this is part of the problem, which I mentioned before in a different thread, about what constitutes being in a group, or being a member of a group. Someone "banned" is apparently (internally) considered to be in the group, and now I see that someone who has merely applied to a group, but not yet been approved, is also apparently internally considered to be in the group in some way.

It was very distressing to get a notice "xyz left" when xyz would never have been approved in the first place. My immediate thought was "how the hell did they even get in?" Afterwards I saw that they were NOT really in the group. Etc.

I think, even more strongly now then before, that this whole area (namely, who is considered internally to be a member of a group, and everything related to that) needs to be cleaned up!!!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Integration message moderation change

Bruce Bowman
 

A hashtag setting would be more versatile. That way I can set up different behavior for the initial invitation, reminders and notices -- not to mention non-calendar related hashtags. It would have to somehow be restricted to Mods, though. I don't want subscribers to be able to set up hashtags that override the group moderation setting.

Bruce


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

Tucson Computer Society <al@...>
 

Thanks you Shai, forgot....i


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

Al (Tucson Computer Society),

Chrome App? What the name please?
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/19635

Shal


Re: Integration message moderation change

 

Duane,

Would it be possible to have a way for noreply@groups.io
to be set to unmoderated for these situations, especially calendar
entries?
I'd like to see an Override: Unmoderated option in the setup for a calendar event. Only available to moderators of course.

I was originally thinking it could just be a rule that events set by owners/mods have unmoderated invite/reminder/notice despite the group moderation setting; but that might be too mysterious. Having it as an explicit option makes it self-documenting.

Shal


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Wrote a tool to move a subgroup from one enterprise account to another enterprise account.
  • INTERNAL: Refactored the API code and wrote a utility to generate the API docs from the code itself.
  • INTERNAL: Added additional logging to track requests over multiple services.
  • CHANGE: Temporarily disabled bounce processing for cox.net and charter.net addresses, as they seem to be blocking us.
  • BUGFIX: The Download Members button wasn't shown on the Members page for some people who did in fact have permission to download members.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

Tucson Computer Society <al@...>
 

Chrome App? What the name please?

Thanks



On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:41 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
Just  checked and the old chrom app that scrapes members' names, emails, delivery, etc still works and returns email addresses plus other stu
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moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

Bob Bellizzi
 

Just  checked and the old chrom app that scrapes members' names, emails, delivery, etc still works and returns email addresses plus other stu
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Wiki requests

Sharon Villines
 

On Feb 1, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Rob Gordon <rob@action.associates> wrote:

That's unfortunate - Google Sites was really a hidden gem. Are you saying the classic version went away? I have a project there I intend to get back to one of these days.
Yes. It will shortly be defunct. And it was a hidden gem.

The old sites won’t be maintained. I don’t know if they will be automatically transferred or deleted or will just sit there.

Everyone is designing for smartphones so hiding things makes it easier to design for limited space. But on a laptop, all that back and forth, open and close, is irritating.

Sharon
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moderated Re: Wiki requests

 

That's unfortunate - Google Sites was really a hidden gem.  Are you saying the classic version went away?  I have a project there I intend to get back to one of these days. 

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moderated option to send guidelines as an automatic sticky #suggestion

 

Having the guidelines automatically go in as a sticky would be convenient. (While I'm at it - and this may or may not be overkill - there could be a general hashtag option to make the topic a sticky.)

J

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Re: Integration message moderation change

Duane
 

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 11:46 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Integration messages for this conversation include email integration messages as well as any automated messages from the system, specifically including calendar invites and any notification messages, like new file notifications.
Would it be possible to have a way for noreply@groups.io to be set to unmoderated for these situations, especially calendar entries?  Many folks use a calendar entry to make monthly (or other scheduled) announcements to their groups and it caught many off guard this morning.  If there's a better option, I'm all for it.  Possibly an 'always unmoderated' option for hashtags could be used?

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

CW Bill Rouse
 

Mark,

Thanks.

We have our 1500 member database from Yahoo. It is the message history, photos, and files that we need to import. Without those things, a move is not in our future.

Best,

ADM CW Bill Rouse

Amel Yacht Owners Group


moderated Re: Wiki requests

Sharon Villines
 

On Jan 31, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess I'm not understanding what you want here, or why it would be different. The PDFs can be stored in the Files section, then add links in the Wiki. Seems like it adds up to the same thing. Only members have access to the files, so the Wiki could be public if you want, but non-members wouldn't be able to open the files.
This is exactly the reason we don’t allow attachments on an active email list of 3000+. When the attachment is one place and the message somewhere else, they get delinked or set up with different permissions, etc. The attachments get deleted and the message then makes no sense in a year. Easier to require the whole message to be the whole message.

The same thing will happen with a wiki. It’s incredibly frustrating to see links to things that you can’t access or are missing. At least if it is all stored together, you have a chance of creating archives that are useful in 10 years.

For example, I frequently research all mentions of a topic over a period of 20 years. I arrange the messages from 3-5 related lists into one chronological list. This has been incredibly helpful in figuring out the history of decisions related to the HVAC or a pesky neighbor.

But at one point, Yahoo decided without notice to delete all attachments on messages with no way to either save or retrieve them. Suddenly years of documents were gone. Hundreds and hundreds of drafts, photos, etc.

I remain highly leery of Google’s integrated apps and things being entered in one place but stored in another. Better to have no attachments and reference the files for PDFs if that is where they really are.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines, Washington DC
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moderated Re: Wiki requests

Sharon Villines
 

Many months ago I recommended the Google Sites wiki as an excellent model for the "general public" to use. We have residents of a condominium recording and consulting a Google wiki on all things related to the facilities and there have been no problems even with the most recalcitrant users.

But we now have the new and improved Google Sites which is awful. Just awful. I dread the next phone call or email asking Whaaaaaaat? I don’t even like to look for things myself.

The easy WYSIWG is still there but all the menus are hidden. Layers of hidden menus. Takes forever to navigate from one subpage to another to another. The menu has to be opened each time. And some menus are three vertical dots, others a button with an icon, a hamburger, etc. And you have to hover over many just to find them.

I haven’t made a list of things missing but the options are more limited. And it requires you to use Drive, Documents, etc for some things. It automatically saves them elsewhere. Go figure why this and not that. So if you delete one of those appendages you might be deleting pieces of another one.

It’s a perfect bad example of a new powerful streamlined awe-inspiring thus much less useful service you wish you had never gotten started with.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines, Washington, DC
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moderated Re: Wiki requests

Duane
 

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 08:45 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Again I am referring to PDFs that are explicitly used on a wiki page.
I guess I'm not understanding what you want here, or why it would be different.  The PDFs can be stored in the Files section, then add links in the Wiki.  Seems like it adds up to the same thing.  Only members have access to the files, so the Wiki could be public if you want, but non-members wouldn't be able to open the files.

Duane


moderated Re: Wiki requests

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 06:48 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
It's an unnecessary PITA to have to scroll to the end each time when making and saving multiple edits on a LONG page.
I agree it would be nice to have some edit options at the top of a page but failing that, you shouldn't need to spend time scrolling down. CTRL+End will take you to the bottom of the page.

Andy


moderated Re: Wiki requests

KWKloeber
 

Chris
 
Again I am referring to PDFs that are explicitly used on a wiki page. 
Not PDF files that are stored in file space for general viewing/use.
 
-k
 

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