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moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

Advance purchase idea is great. ūüėä


On Jan 25, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Mark,


I mean, maybe? I've disabled the entire group transfer system again.

The red-box note that replaced the instruction page still says "Yahoo has made a change to their login system...". That would seem to be out of date for the current outage.

From what you've said though it sounds like it might be sufficient to disable just the Transfer Members checkbox in the transfer forms.

I think asking people to go through the entire process you outlined above would most likely lead to a lot of support issues for me. And there's no guarantee that Yahoo won't make changes to the rest of Groups like they have to the members part.

True and true.

Based on comments on Y!GMF and GMF@ there are some groups who were on the cusp of transferring who'd be more than willing to take on inviting/adding their member addresses themselves. If the transfer mechanism could be used to get the members' content that would still be a big win for them.

The biggest support issue I can foresee (apart from the "what do I do about members" question) would be a need for post-transfer re-connection of members who joined later (by invite or otherwise) with their content transferred sooner. Maybe something operating during the join flow could look for that situation, but only if the information (original owner email address) is preserved somehow during the import.

GMF@ can try to help with the questions part, but not so much the re-connection part.

At some point, which may be now, I'll have to retire the Yahoo Group export system.

Or maybe going forward what's left of it needs to be a feature that requires an advance purchase of a year of Premium, as importing more than 100K messages does now.

Shal


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J

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moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

Mark,


I mean, maybe? I've disabled the entire group transfer system again.

The red-box note that replaced the instruction page still says "Yahoo has made a change to their login system...". That would seem to be out of date for the current outage.

From what you've said though it sounds like it might be sufficient to disable just the Transfer Members checkbox in the transfer forms.

I think asking people to go through the entire process you outlined above would most likely lead to a lot of support issues for me. And there's no guarantee that Yahoo won't make changes to the rest of Groups like they have to the members part.

True and true.

Based on comments on Y!GMF and GMF@ there are some groups who were on the cusp of transferring who'd be more than willing to take on inviting/adding their member addresses themselves. If the transfer mechanism could be used to get the members' content that would still be a big win for them.

The biggest support issue I can foresee (apart from the "what do I do about members" question) would be a need for post-transfer re-connection of members who joined later (by invite or otherwise) with their content transferred sooner. Maybe something operating during the join flow could look for that situation, but only if the information (original owner email address) is preserved somehow during the import.

GMF@ can try to help with the questions part, but not so much the re-connection part.

At some point, which may be now, I'll have to retire the Yahoo Group export system.

Or maybe going forward what's left of it needs to be a feature that requires an advance purchase of a year of Premium, as importing more than 100K messages does now.

Shal


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

Bob Bellizzi
 

Mark, I just tried the old app and it's still working on two groups where I'm not even a moderator on one.
But on the one I'm a moderator I get the entire email addresses of all.

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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends¬†¬ģ
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

CWGI Director, Brandy Brow <director.brow@...>
 

On 1/25/19 1:15 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:08 AM CWGI Director, Brandy Brow <director.brow@...> wrote:
Will groups who already have the transfer email accepted and set to moderator on Ygroups and the transfer go-ahead given still be able to port or are they now stuck?

Unfortunately everything is halted right now.

Darn. I was afraid of that. Hoping for the best and that this frees up so you can continue transfers. If you do decide to discontinue transfers in the future, please give people a large lead time, especially if transfers work again for a time.

Thanks for all you do.

Brandy


Brandy Brow
Executive Director
Christian Writers' Group International (CWGI)
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moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 09:58 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
in the neighborhood of 5000 groups
Yowsa.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:08 AM CWGI Director, Brandy Brow <director.brow@...> wrote:
Will groups who already have the transfer email accepted and set to moderator on Ygroups and the transfer go-ahead given still be able to port or are they now stuck?

Unfortunately everything is halted right now.

Mark 


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

CWGI Director, Brandy Brow <director.brow@...>
 

Will groups who already have the transfer email accepted and set to moderator on Ygroups and the transfer go-ahead given still be able to port or are they now stuck?


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:43 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 09:39 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It's been going in some form or another for 3+ years now. That's a good run.
A great run. Curiosity killed the Catlady, but it would sure be interesting to know approximately how many groups transferred over during that time!
 
Unfortunately, I don't have an exact number, but if I had to guess I'd say it's in the neighborhood of 5000 groups.

Mark 


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 09:39 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It's been going in some form or another for 3+ years now. That's a good run.
A great run. Curiosity killed the Catlady, but it would sure be interesting to know approximately how many groups transferred over during that time!
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 7:26 AM Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:
A Yahoo group owner can export a membership list to a csv/tsv file for up to 1,000 members. An extremely ambitious person could cut, paste and reformat if the membership list had over 1,000 users.

An ambitious person could do an invite to a new Groups.io group using that list. Would the group transfer still work thereafter, but skipping the membership transfer part?


I mean, maybe? I've disabled the entire group transfer system again. I think asking people to go through the entire process you outlined above would most likely lead to a lot of support issues for me. And there's no guarantee that Yahoo won't make changes to the rest of Groups like they have to the members part. Obviously I have no insight into why they made the change to the member stuff yesterday, but it certainly could be interpreted just as a change to break member exporting. From what I can tell, it's just the addition of a new parameter to a URL I call to get the members, and that parameter is generated in such a way that I cannot figure it out without running a full browser instance/interpret a bunch of javascript. I'm not sure the development work required for that is worth it at this point, given all my other priorities.

At some point, which may be now, I'll have to retire the Yahoo Group export system. It's been going in some form or another for 3+ years now. That's a good run.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Configuring the groups.io digests

Ellen Moody
 

On one of the groups.io I'm on, someone asked:

"is there a way to configure the .io digest, like the old Yahoo digest, to show at the top where the list of messages is, the author of each message? (That's how I judge whether I want to read or not.) 
 
Posting here in case others have the same question / request. "

I know I wish I could tell who wrote a reply when I come to the site: all we see is the header and name of the first poster.

Ellen


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

Al,


Chrome App Mark?

That's a reference to apps for the Chrome browser, one to export the Manage Members list, one to export the Conversations. The first was created by Sam Hobbs (a member of the GMF Yahoo Group), the second by Mark early in the development of the Yahoo Groups Transfer mechanism.

They are available through YahooGroupedia.

Shal


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

Tucson Computer Society <al@...>
 

Chrome App Mark?


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups exports down again

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

A Yahoo group owner can export a membership list to a csv/tsv file for up to 1,000 members. An extremely ambitious person could cut, paste and reformat if the membership list had over 1,000 users.

An ambitious person could do an invite to a new Groups.io group using that list. Would the group transfer still work thereafter, but skipping the membership transfer part?

Assuming it works at all, would it provide linkages between email addresses and posts? What about the member's starting date? Would that be from the Yahoo membership list or from the date of the Groups.io invitation?

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Gerald


moderated File download count #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Following up on a post on GMF last year - I can't see any evidence that this was requested
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/16224978

It would be good to have a count of the number of times each file was downloaded. Ideally shown next to each file but alternatively (or perhaps as well as) an entry in the activity log that identifies the downloaded file.

We will be publishing a monthly newsletter and it would be good to know how many members actually look at it.

Thanks
Andy


moderated "Report" Message Template

Chris Jones
 

Mark; the Report Message template includes the following:

Note: Your email is included with the abuse report.

Can I request that it be amended to read:

Note: Your email address will be included in the report.

I think the word "email" on its own is insufficiently clear, and the report may not necessarily be about "abuse".

Thanks for all the work you do,

Chris


moderated Re: New for premium groups: calendar sync

Andy Wedge
 

After a dialogue with Support I can report that this now appears to have been fixed.

The issue with the message from my main group being in plain text was due to a group setting as discussed on the GMF at
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/message_formatting_options/29530786

Regards,
Andy


moderated Yahoo Groups exports down again

 

Hi All,

Yahoo has made another change to Y! Groups, which has broken our ability to export the members of a group (this will most likely affect the old Chrome app as well). I do not know if or when I'll be able to work around it.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: New for premium groups: calendar sync

Andy Wedge
 

H Mark,

that's done.

Thanks,
Andy


moderated Re: New for premium groups: calendar sync

 

Andy,

Please send a message to support@groups.io with the name of the groups that you sent the invites to.

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 5:04 AM Andy W <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
Interestingly, the emails I received at my test account which is just a member of the main and subgroup were different.

For the subgroup event, I received an invite with Yes, No, Maybe options.  I also got the event added to the test account calender (not sure if that becase I replied Yes).

For the main group event though, the email invite came through like a normal message (plain text) with links to reply, mute and unsubscribe etc.

Andy

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