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moderated Re: Hashtags

 

There have been occasions when I've wanted to use more than five hashtags. Recipes are not necessarily the only application.


On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 2:44 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 08:56 AM, Tina wrote:
For a recipe sharing group, 5 hastags is simply not enough by the time we hashtag for Country, Ethnic origin, and Type or Category of a recipe, this leaves us only two hashtags to assign for main ingredients to aid members in their searches.
This strikes me as a peculiar application of hashtags.

The online search engine searches the message body in addition to the subject line...and with that understanding, I don't see how duplicating one into the other is going to enhance search capabilities.

Regards,
Bruce


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moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

 

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 02:45 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think that deletion should be disabled
Typo: I meant that it should be disable-able in a group.
 
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moderated Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

 

Today there was hella confusion in my group until I figured out what happened through the logs. A member deleted a message, which apparently was the whole topic, resulting in the deletion of the topic, and then resent it. People reading via email received duplicates, and people reading via email and web were massively confused.

Allowing people to delete and resend messages creates a loophole around the disabling of editing messages, which my group has done. Instead of editing a message, which members can no longer do, enterprising, creative members have figured out that they can simply "delete" (I use quotes because, of course, the message is never deleted from emails) their message and resend it. This has the EXACT SAME EFFECT as editing a message, which my group - as well as this very beta group - has disabled for good reasons, including the email-archive mismatch and resulting confusion, and the receiving of essentially duplicate emails by group members reading by email.

I understand from, prior conversations here about it, that some think that legally, members are allowed to delete their messages. IANAL but I disagree. Users grant to groups.io, via the TOU, a "perpetual and irrevocable" right to publish their content  (quoted below). "Irrevocable" would seem to mean that users cannot revoke from groups.io the right to publish their content; i.e., they cannot unilaterally delete it.

So I think that deletion should be disabled for the same reasons editing can be disabled (email/archive mismatch and duplicate messages, possibly even a flurry of them, as has happened in my group at various points when overzealous members keep trying to "clarify" or, in essence, edit their posts). The confusion is worse when a member deletes a whole topic, which it seems they can do when their message is the only one in it.

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moderated Re: Hashtags

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 08:56 AM, Tina wrote:
For a recipe sharing group, 5 hastags is simply not enough by the time we hashtag for Country, Ethnic origin, and Type or Category of a recipe, this leaves us only two hashtags to assign for main ingredients to aid members in their searches.
This strikes me as a peculiar application of hashtags.

The online search engine searches the message body in addition to the subject line...and with that understanding, I don't see how duplicating one into the other is going to enhance search capabilities.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Hashtags

Duane
 

For me, I'd hate to see the limit set to 10 for all groups.  5 is 4 more than we normally use. ;>)  Would a compromise of 7 work to keep problems to a minimum?  If Mark thinks it's worthwhile, a floating number, set by the group owner, say up to 10, might be most flexible.

Duane


moderated Re: Print option for Databases?

Bob Bellizzi
 

Shal,
I haven't used the Database but possibly the export to csv would contain a link to the map?
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moderated Hashtags

Tina
 

I have a qiestion regarding the hashtags please.

Is there a way to increase the number of hashtags we can apply to a post at all please?

For a recipe sharing group, 5 hastags is simply not enough by the time we hashtag for Country, Ethnic origin, and Type or Category of a recipe, this leaves us only two hashtags to assign for main ingredients to aid members in their searches.

Is there a reason why we can only assign 5 hashtags?

Delicious Low Budget Recipes Group Owner.


moderated Re: Print option for Databases?

 

Pamela,

I think I need to find time to educate myself on how to generate
reports etc.
What I generally do is Export the table in CSV format, then paste that into Excel. There one has very flexible ways to format and page break the table.

I haven't tried that with a table with maps in it, so that might complicate matters.

If you don't have/use Excel, there are also free spreadsheet programs available like the one in LibreOffice.
https://www.libreoffice.org/

Shal


moderated Re: Print option for Databases?

Pamela Tatt
 

Thanks for the suggestions Toby.
I think I need to find time to educate myself on how to generate reports etc.
No so easy to do when you have a 70+ year old brain LOL

I have managed to get it sorted this time but it has taken me many days where with Yahoo it was a simple matter of click a button.  Never mind -- we live in hope.

Thanks again for your input,
Pamela


moderated Re: Yahoo group transfers currently disabled

 

I've seen this before in the past. Yahoo sometimes asks for a CAPTCHA on login if it has some reason to be suspicious of the account, like it's been a while since its last login. Something about the groups.io transfer process is probably triggering that. If you can log in manually to get a login cookie, then don't log out, and use that cookie in the transfer process, that might fix it. You might have to repeat the process every now and then.

JohnF


moderated Re: Yahoo group transfers currently disabled

Leeni
 

Sometimes I do come up with one LOL 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/16/18 19:23:34
Subject: Re: [beta] Yahoo group transfers currently disabled
 
Great point! 🤑

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM magicalkingdomgroups@... <magicalkingdomgroups@...> wrote:
It is because transfers really have nothing to do with Yahoo
It is something that Groups IO was doing
So what would be the need for Yahoo to say something - Hey everyone we are making it hard now for your groups to be transferred to Groups IO............. I don't think so. 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/16/2018 6:31:35 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Yahoo group transfers currently disabled
 
It's ironic that you have to go to groups.io to find out about what yahoo is doing. Yahoo themselves don't even seem to know what's going on there. :)
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Yahoo group transfers currently disabled

Bill Burns <ftldny@...>
 

On 12/16/2018 6:42 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,
It appears that Yahoo changed their login system sometime in the last 24 hours or so, which broke our group export code. I don't know if or when I'll be able to work around it as it appears to want to go through some sort of captcha system.
That's odd. I just tried signing in on a browser I've never used for Yahoo, and it was the regular name/password login, no other steps.

This was with a yahoo.com email address, and I then wondered if there was a problem with inviting a new member with a non-Yahoo address, such as the IO transfer client.

I went back to my regular login, under which I'm the owner of several groups, and invited an email address that Yahoo has never seen before. There was one step on the invite screen that I didn't remember: a check box for "Add only to mailing list".

I checked the box and sent the invite. The usual confirmation email arrived, and when I clicked through to Yahoo I was able to log in with no additional questions or security procedures.

Mark, I've just invited transfer@groups.io to a defunct Yahoo list that I happen to own (name is nawcc). Can you check if you can accept the invitation?

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moderated Re: Yahoo group transfers currently disabled

 

Great point! 🤑


On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM magicalkingdomgroups@... <magicalkingdomgroups@...> wrote:
It is because transfers really have nothing to do with Yahoo
It is something that Groups IO was doing
So what would be the need for Yahoo to say something - Hey everyone we are making it hard now for your groups to be transferred to Groups IO............. I don't think so. 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/16/2018 6:31:35 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Yahoo group transfers currently disabled
 
It's ironic that you have to go to groups.io to find out about what yahoo is doing. Yahoo themselves don't even seem to know what's going on there. :)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

 


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Yahoo group transfers currently disabled

Leeni
 

It is because transfers really have nothing to do with Yahoo
It is something that Groups IO was doing
So what would be the need for Yahoo to say something - Hey everyone we are making it hard now for your groups to be transferred to Groups IO............. I don't think so. 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/16/2018 6:31:35 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Yahoo group transfers currently disabled
 
It's ironic that you have to go to groups.io to find out about what yahoo is doing. Yahoo themselves don't even seem to know what's going on there. :)
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

 


moderated Re: Yahoo group transfers currently disabled

 

It's ironic that you have to go to groups.io to find out about what yahoo is doing. Yahoo themselves don't even seem to know what's going on there. :)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Yahoo group transfers currently disabled

 

Hi All,

It appears that Yahoo changed their login system sometime in the last 24 hours or so, which broke our group export code. I don't know if or when I'll be able to work around it as it appears to want to go through some sort of captcha system. 

Please pass this along to any interested parties.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: [GMF] Problems if I later decide to follow a topic

 

Hey,

Please see message below.

Sincerely,
Artin Dekker



-------- Doorgestuurd bericht --------
Onderwerp: Re: [GMF] Problems if I later decide to follow a topic
Datum: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:21:44 -0800
Van: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
Antwoord-naar: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
Aan: GroupManagersForum@groups.io


Artin,

Now I have created a filter in NameCheap Private Email, with the
condition mailinglist contains groups.io, and as an action move to
folder mailing lists. This works well, but if I follow a topic and I
receive the messages that have been sent before, they will go to my
inbox and not to the mailing list folder.

Interesting. It implies that the "catch-up" messages are not marked with the Mailing-List header field.

As a work-around check the To field: normal group postings are sent out as To the group posting address, if the catch-up messages are also you could use that for your filter instead.

I also noticed today that when I reply from Thunderbird to a message
that was already sent, This message does not go to the list but to the
sender.

Hm... This implies the catch-up messages are also not marked with the Reply-To field, which normally reflects the group's Reply To setting.

I guess your work-around would be to manually replace the sender's address with the group posting address in your reply.

So it seems that with the messages sent before I followed the topic
and which were later sent to me, it is not recognized that they come
from a mailing list. Do you know what the problem is ...

I believe you've identified the problem (they are not given the usual outbound list header fields).

... and can this be solved?

Apart from the work-arounds, putting the "proper" fields in the header of those messages would be something for either support, or for the beta group (Groups.io's official "suggestion box").

I don't normally use the Following Only subscription option so I've not run into this. It is possible that the lack of these header fields was previously discussed in beta, maybe you can search for that topic there to see if there's a reason for it, or if adding them is something that should be suggested.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main

Shal


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moderated Add permalinks to Wiki pages

 

Mark,

I'd like to have permalinks on wiki pages.

Reason: An issue has come up in GMF where we split a page into two pages for better organization, and the complaint was made that the action broke the link for the original page (the title changed).

Exactly like message numbers, these can be a serial number issued at page creation and never re-used. Like a message number it can be shown on the right, near the edit date and revision(s) link. It can use exactly the same format (number and icon) for familiarity.

As with message numbers I'd prefer them to be group-unique to keep them short, rather than site unique like Topic numbers, but that's not an important feature compared to having them at all.

That would give us something like:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/12345

rather than
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/long-hyphenated-encoded-copy-of-the-wiki-page-title

If desirable to prevent potential namespace conflict, change "wiki" in the URL to "wikilink" or something so that wiki permalinks are syntactically distinct from wiki title links.

Oh yes, and I'll throw a bump on my earlier request for permalink icons on all user-supplied content items:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/8662

Shal


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Mark Irving
 

Group icon is appreciated. I hope it can be displayed when I'm reviewing pending messages for approval or rejection. (i.e. not only in the "mobile" (narrow) home page). See request topic from a few months ago.

 - Mark

  • NEW: In addition to a cover photo, a group can now have an icon. It's currently used only on the mobile home page.


moderated Re: Print option for Databases?

Toby Kraft
 

Pamela,
It's unlikely that groups.io will ever provide a "print table" feature - the formatting options are as numerous as the number of people using databases.  
Two thoughts -
  • You say you create a database of the year's events/items - Why not generate a PDF report (using Excel for example) of that year's info for members to download and print?
  • "reproduce part of the ... database" - If what you want to copy/paste is on one page, try selecting the rows of interest, copy as plain text into Word, select the text, Insert Table, Convert text to table (separate text at Tabs).  Should give you a table to use for the subset of the data needed.  

Just some ideas that might make things easier until when/if groups.io provides some facility to do what you're looking for.
Thanks
Toby

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