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moderated Add permalinks to Wiki pages

 

Mark,

I'd like to have permalinks on wiki pages.

Reason: An issue has come up in GMF where we split a page into two pages for better organization, and the complaint was made that the action broke the link for the original page (the title changed).

Exactly like message numbers, these can be a serial number issued at page creation and never re-used. Like a message number it can be shown on the right, near the edit date and revision(s) link. It can use exactly the same format (number and icon) for familiarity.

As with message numbers I'd prefer them to be group-unique to keep them short, rather than site unique like Topic numbers, but that's not an important feature compared to having them at all.

That would give us something like:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/12345

rather than
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/long-hyphenated-encoded-copy-of-the-wiki-page-title

If desirable to prevent potential namespace conflict, change "wiki" in the URL to "wikilink" or something so that wiki permalinks are syntactically distinct from wiki title links.

Oh yes, and I'll throw a bump on my earlier request for permalink icons on all user-supplied content items:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/8662

Shal


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Mark Irving
 

Group icon is appreciated. I hope it can be displayed when I'm reviewing pending messages for approval or rejection. (i.e. not only in the "mobile" (narrow) home page). See request topic from a few months ago.

 - Mark

  • NEW: In addition to a cover photo, a group can now have an icon. It's currently used only on the mobile home page.


moderated Re: Print option for Databases?

Toby Kraft
 

Pamela,
It's unlikely that groups.io will ever provide a "print table" feature - the formatting options are as numerous as the number of people using databases.  
Two thoughts -
  • You say you create a database of the year's events/items - Why not generate a PDF report (using Excel for example) of that year's info for members to download and print?
  • "reproduce part of the ... database" - If what you want to copy/paste is on one page, try selecting the rows of interest, copy as plain text into Word, select the text, Insert Table, Convert text to table (separate text at Tabs).  Should give you a table to use for the subset of the data needed.  

Just some ideas that might make things easier until when/if groups.io provides some facility to do what you're looking for.
Thanks
Toby


moderated Print option for Databases?

Pamela Tatt
 

I have trolled through messages and found a couple of comments back in 2016 and 2017 asking if it would be possible to have a 'Print Table' option in Databases.
Obviously not enough people have requested this so I am opening up the conversation again here.
In our group we have a Database "calendar" at the start of the year listing all of the charities we are supporting throughout the year.  Our older members used to be able to print it off and keep in a folder so that they can plan ahead to make their donations in advance.  We are a charity knitting/crocheting/sewing group supporting needy people across Australia.
I, personally, find it difficult to transfer the database into another spreadsheet so cant expect my members who are less computer literate than me to do it.

I also find not being able to copy and paste straight from the database a time consuming problem.  I have to reproduce part of the Charity of the Month Calendar database on to our public website and it takes so long to go into every individual entry to edit, copy, paste each line.  

So my question is -- would a Print Table option be possible any time in the near future?  
Thanks for your time,
Pamela


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

 

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 07:51 AM, Jim Higgins wrote:
I apologize.
Hey, why would you need to apologize for a simple mistake? Or even a complicated one. :) It is not a moral failure!!!  Nevertheless, apology accepted. And, lol re forgetting the first. I'm with you there. :)
 
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moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 12/15/2018 01:22 AM UTC:

Here's an unrestricted group:
<https://groups.io/g/js8call>https://groups.io/g/js8call

Here's a restricted one:
<https://tanyackd.groups.io/g/support>https://tanyackd.groups.io/g/support

See the difference?

Yes, and I apologize.

By way of explanation, not excuse, I have three groups. One requires membership (and approval) for any access. One permits read/only access to non-members, membership requires approval. One requires membership, but it's granted without any approval necessary. In my testing I should have tested the first and the last, but instead tested first and second.

The mind is the second thing to go and I forget the first.

Again, I apologize.

Jim H


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX (in process): Changed how we store the name of the person who originated a topic to fix a couple of bugs that would cause the person's name to not be displayed on the Topics page. Database is currently being updated to support the fix.
  • CHANGE: 'Public Groups' -> 'Publicly Listed Groups'
  • NEW: We are now dropping all email from numbered qq.com addresses, and we treat such addresses as invalid when registering on the website.
  • NEW: In addition to a cover photo, a group can now have an icon. It's currently used only on the mobile home page.
  • BUGFIX: We were not re-writing gmail.com From addresses for senders that did not have 'I always want copies of my own emails' checked.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

Leeni
 

If this is done already - why the need to keep on discussing it.
I just know it doesn't matter to most people the how to join wording.
 
They are just interested in joining. The people in my circle don't even notice if they are joining a restricted or non restricted group.
 
They just want to join a group based upon the genre of the group.
 
I am not going to write anymore in this discussion.
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/14/2018 8:28:47 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group's pending notice #suggestion
 
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 06:05 PM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
They don't care
Whether or not you've polled all of them, or whether you think your members are representative of everyone who joins a group, it's important for software to have a consistent user interface.

(Although it's clear that some people, even in this group, have not noticed the difference. :)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 06:05 PM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
They don't care
Whether or not you've polled all of them, or whether you think your members are representative of everyone who joins a group, it's important for software to have a consistent user interface.

(Although it's clear that some people, even in this group, have not noticed the difference. :)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

Leeni
 

I didn't give statistics.
I am telling you from my own personal experience AND the experience of my members who have joined my groups and other groups on groups IO
 
They don't care what it says when they want to join a group.
 
 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/14/2018 7:55:24 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group's pending notice #suggestion
 
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 05:51 PM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
Most people don't even notice the change in words.
Not sure where you get those statistics.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

 


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 05:51 PM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
Most people don't even notice the change in words.
Not sure where you get those statistics.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

Leeni
 

Most people don't even notice the change in words.
If they don't belong to a group they just look for something to click and click it.
I have been in groups for about 15 years and never noticed that there was different wording. So why is this becoming a big deal? Ilene  
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/14/2018 7:48:24 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group's pending notice #suggestion
 
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 05:30 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
I see no good reason that Groups.io users should be lead to form the distinction you (incorrectly) said already exists
Well, the "nonexistent" distinction has been in effect for years :-) and users are already used to it. If I see "join this group" I immediately assume the group is unrestricted.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

 


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 05:30 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
an "Apply" is approved immediately in the case of an unrestricted group,
That's 100% true. Because "Apply" is never shown if the group is unrestricted. :)
 
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moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 05:30 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
I see no good reason that Groups.io users should be lead to form the distinction you (incorrectly) said already exists
Well, the "nonexistent" distinction has been in effect for years :-) and users are already used to it. If I see "join this group" I immediately assume the group is unrestricted.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

 

Jim,

After deleting my Gio cookies, visiting the home pages of my
unrestricted group and my restricted group gives the very same view in
both... "+Apply For Membership In This Group."
I believe you've made a mistake somewhere.

If you have doubts, try it for yourself.
Just did. I see the expected "Join This Group" for unrestricted groups, and "Apply For Membership In This Group" for restricted ones.

Shal


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 12/15/2018 01:20 AM UTC:

In any case, if the language is different for restricted vs. unrestricted groups is different for main groups, I think it should also be correspondingly different for subgroups. Users will get used to one or the other and assume "join this group" means the group is unrestricted. But let's get first consensus on whether or not this is true - as I said, it's definitely true for the restricted and unrestricted groups I checked.

And not true for the ones I checked.

Did you delete your Gio cookies before testing? Remember, the condition being discussed also included the case of a nonmember of the main group. If you tested on your own groups with cookies active you weren't a nonmember of the main group.

And in the end it makes no difference if "Apply" is used across the board because an "Apply" is approved immediately in the case of an unrestricted group, so the impression given to the new subscriber is, in effect, the same as the result from the "Join" that you prefer.

I see no good reason that Groups.io users should be lead to form the distinction you (incorrectly) said already exists.

Jim H


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 12/15/2018 01:18 AM UTC:

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 05:12 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
That's not true!

Funny, because I also just checked, and the restricted groups I go to say "apply for membership in this group," whereas the unrestricted ones just say "join this group." I only checked a couple of groups. ??????

Very weird.

Indeed!

Jim H


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

 

Here's an unrestricted group:
https://groups.io/g/js8call

Here's a restricted one:
https://tanyackd.groups.io/g/support

See the difference?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

 

In any case, if the language is different for restricted vs. unrestricted groups is different for main groups, I think it should also be correspondingly different for subgroups. Users will get used to one or the other and assume "join this group" means the group is unrestricted. But let's get first consensus on whether or not this is true - as I said, it's definitely true for the restricted and unrestricted groups I checked.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: non-member applying to subgroup should not get main group’s pending notice #suggestion

 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 05:12 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
That's not true!
Funny, because I also just checked, and the restricted groups I go to say "apply for membership in this group," whereas the unrestricted ones just say "join this group." I only checked a couple of groups.  ??????

Very weird.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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