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moderated Re: Hashtag and Topic reply to overrides

 

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 6:57 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- I have two questions, both of which relate to how these overrides will interact with group emails.

1) Is there a way to override the reply-to setting for a topic during topic creation? If not, the footer links for those receiving Individual Emails will not comply with the override.

Right now the only way to override on topic creation is through the use of a hashtag.

 
2) Are subsequent email replies that don't comply with the override put on moderation, rejected, or ????  If something isn't done along those lines then it seems to me that the override isn't really accomplishing its objective.

If you think about it, the Reply To setting is really only a suggestion, except in the case of Reply Only To Sender, which isn't an option at the group level. If a topic is set to Reply Only To Sender, then we actively block messages back to the group.

Mark


moderated Re: #databases

Toby Kraft
 

Gerald, we should move this discussion somewhere else as Main is for feature requests, not support/howto discussion.
Sending you PM now.
Toby

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:30 PM Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:
Toby,

Doesn't work - as in can't put anything in the field. How do you manage to enter text in the field?

I've tested with both Chrome and MS Edge. What browser are you using? Can you still make this work?

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Gerald


moderated Re: #databases

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Toby,

Doesn't work - as in can't put anything in the field. How do you manage to enter text in the field?

I've tested with both Chrome and MS Edge. What browser are you using? Can you still make this work?

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Gerald


moderated Re: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Charles M. Register at 10/21/2018 09:05 PM UTC:

Suggestion: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed

Specific Suggestion: Add a group configuration option that controls the "Apply for Membership" button. This could have the following options:

1. Make the button work as it does now (default);
2. Make the button not show at all on the group's main page;
3. Make the button a "mailto" link directed to the groupname+subscribe address;
4. Make the button a link to an owner-supplied URL.

Yes!... Tho I'd prefer that subscriptions via web simply be handled the same as via email ones are... with sub requests not appearing or owners being notified until the email address is confirmed.

Jim H


moderated Re: #databases

Duane
 

FYI, https://groups.io/static/help,top of the page.

Duane


moderated Re: #databases

Toby Kraft
 

Please define "doesn't work" - works for me:


moderated Re: Give group owners control over how subscriptions are processed #suggestion

 

To complicate matters, I'll mention that in one of my groups, someone applied for membership via the web, and was actually sent the group's welcome message while still appearing in the members list as NC for a significant period of time afterwards. My understanding is that "NC" means that the member is not yet in the group in the sense of receiving group materials, having access to group content, etc., so I don't think the welcome message should have gone out before the confirmation. (I've already emailed Mark offlist at support about this, although the situation has since been resolved since the member eventually did confirm.)

In my main group, which is a premium, I no longer have to deal at all with NC issues, since approving a membership in a premium group automatically confirms it. So I have no real dog in this race (my other, non-premium group is smaller and not very active). But there have always seemed to me to be significant problems in the membership approval/confirmation sequence. I posted about this long ago, before premium groups were allowed to confirm their own members. 
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J

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moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 07:39 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
And that's generally an option on most forums with regard to private messaging,
Right. And some, as you know (even the god-awful Facebook!), provide even more granular controls (e.g., which types of individuals are allowed to PM you, etc.).
 
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J

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moderated Re: add mod choices "reply and lock topic" or "reply and moderate topic" #suggestion

 

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 07:43 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Which is what I said at the outset, and still think is the best idea.
And I totally agree with that.
 
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J

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moderated Re: add mod choices "reply and lock topic" or "reply and moderate topic" #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 01:53 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:
Better yet either:
-allow Moderators to not be subject to the lock or moderation;
Which is what I said at the outset, and still think is the best idea.  Group Owners or Moderators should not be subject to any of the strictures that can be put on topics since they, themselves, are the ones putting them on.

I have, way more than once, locked a topic immediately prior to adding my reply.  I could see doing the same thing with putting a topic on moderated status and then posting my reply as a moderator/owner.
 
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The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:15 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Would you also consider allowing individual members (in a group with directory viewable by subscribers) to opt out of the email feature, in case they prefer not to be contacted but don't want to make their profile invisible?
And that's generally an option on most forums with regard to private messaging, whether said private messaging comes via e-mail or an internal messaging system or, as is also often the case, both.  One forum on which I moderate sends e-mail messages indicating that a private message has been received, and with a copy of its contents, but all actual messaging occurs using the built-in messaging mechanism on the site.  That wouldn't make much sense here due to the Groups.io infrastructure.

All give the member the option as to whether or not they wish to be able to be privately messaged.  I'd think in this case all it would require is a "visibility switch" for the e-mail address/button where if the member elects to not receive private messages that just would not show for them.

I agree that this applies only to other regular group members.  Moderators and Owners must always be able to privately message anyone who's a member of a group.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 
The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

Mark,

It appears that the email link goes to a page identical to the "send message" page, complete with bcc's for "me" and "all moderators." I'm not sure the bcc to "all moderators" should be there when a subscriber (non-moderator) is sending the message.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Hashtag and Topic reply to overrides

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- I have two questions, both of which relate to how these overrides will interact with group emails.

1) Is there a way to override the reply-to setting for a topic during topic creation? If not, the footer links for those receiving Individual Emails will not comply with the override.
2) Are subsequent email replies that don't comply with the override put on moderation, rejected, or ????  If something isn't done along those lines then it seems to me that the override isn't really accomplishing its objective.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: #databases

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 08:04 AM, Sener Yelkenci wrote:
Hi,

I create a table in a database in my group. But there is a problem with a column type which calls "HTML Paragraph".
I can't add an info in it. Is it a bug or Is it my misunderstanding?

Greetings,
şy
This feature was only added a few weeks ago (September 29, 2018) and it doesn't work for me either. I would have to agree that it seems to be a bug.

If you haven't already done so, open up a support request to support@groups.io
 
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Gerald


moderated #databases

 

Hi,

I create a table in a database in my group. But there is a problem with a column type which calls "HTML Paragraph".
I can't add an info in it. Is it a bug or Is it my misunderstanding?

Greetings,
şy


moderated Re: Photo search and clean up of the photos pages

dave w
 

Mark,
Good work, late to the party, but ahhh, how about extending the 'previous/ next' selector area to be full height of any said graphic being viewed? 
A la HIG/ GUI "Designing Web Usability: The Practice of Simplicity" ; to the effect of 'the active area should be larger than the graphic depicting direction (arrows)' to be 'natural' and easy to use.
Thanks
davew


moderated Re: add mod choices "reply and lock topic" or "reply and moderate topic" #suggestion

 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 07:25 PM, dave w wrote:
Is it that critical that 'instant' suspension of access/ reply to some thread is so urgently manifest,
Sometimes, for example in the case of someone's sick or dying cat, yes.

Do you sit watching every thread on every group every second of the day waiting for a runaway?
No, but if I did, I'd call that the opposite of lazy.

Was this activity available under the previous provider? I think not.
All the more reason to include it. Let groups.io to continue in its trajectory of being not the same as, but better than, yahoo groups.

For a free service, I see far too many demands 
First, I don't think that's your call. Second, these are not demands, they're suggestions and expressions of desire. Third, I'm willing to bet that Mark appreciates feature suggestions here, which is the purpose of the beta group, or one of them. Fourth, I pay for my group. I encourage you, too, to upgrade to premium if you haven't already. :-)

What the US likes to refer to as their freedom of speech- when that speech suits others of course.
I have no idea what you're talking about. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech that I can see, except possibly insofar as you want to deny others here the "freedom" of speech to talk about the features they want. :)
 
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J

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moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 08:16 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Can't we already do that via the Members list?
Yes, and that's why it doesn't change the functionality to allow it. It just improves convenience. 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Starting separate thread on new "email" feature

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:18 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
p.s. As a slight enhancement, it might make the most sense to always allow moderators to email group members, even if the directory is not visible to non-mods, and even (in case this is eventually implemented) if the individual has opted out of emails. It can be more convenient than using the "send message" feature.
Can't we already do that via the Members list?

Bruce


moderated Re: add mod choices "reply and lock topic" or "reply and moderate topic" #suggestion

dave w
 

No.
Understand that I read so many of these and create a reply, that I subsequently do not send.

In this case, I'd say the request for this level of automation is unwarranted. I'd say laziness but it's more than that.
Is it that critical that 'instant' suspension of access/ reply to some thread is so urgently manifest, and that 'action' is so important that everyone must be instatly aware?
Do you sit watching every thread on every group every second of the day waiting for a runaway?
Was this activity available under the previous provider? I think not.
Take the easy way out and place the group on moderated, then nothing of a concerning nature will ever get thru.
For a free service, I see far too many demands and far too many attempts at locking down of freedom of people to use the service. What the US likes to refer to as their freedom of speech- when that speech suits others of course.
dave

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