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moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 08:26 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Semantics. 
Ok. 'slightly, inadvertently, drifted off topic."
Ah... not so much a highjack as an "occupational hazard" then.

Chris


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

On the topic here, I no longer use the split feature, having decided that its pitfalls overcome its advantages. This is because people still respond via email to the old-named email conversation thread and then I have to merge, and merge again, etc. I decided long ago that it wasn't worth it, and I no longer split or even rename threads. Er, topics. :)

Thx, J
That may be the end result (but hope not.)  In this case it's not that extensive and "re-replies" sh/w ould be minimal.

-k


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Semantics. 
Ok. 'slightly, inadvertently, drifted off topic."

-k

As a moderator/friend oftentimes laments, "When someone asks 'What time is it?," explaining 'How to build a clock' isn't an appropriate reply."


moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

 

On the topic here, I no longer use the split feature, having decided that its pitfalls overcome its advantages. This is because people still respond via email to the old-named email conversation thread and then I have to merge, and merge again, etc. I decided long ago that it wasn't worth it, and I no longer split or even rename threads. Er, topics. :)
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moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
is it a Topic or a Thread?

It's "topic," but it used to be "thread" and some of the instances didn't get changed. Whenever I see one that Mark missed, I just email him at support to let him know. If you see some now, you could do the same. 
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moderated Re: Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:01 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
e.g., interspersed down a msg history, 3 members hijacked a thread and ONLY THOSE (non-sequential) msgs need be de-hijacked.
If a thread has been highjacked, rather than drifted off - topic, then perhaps the Delete function might be more appropriate.

Relocating "highjack" postings does not do anything to discourage the highjackers; deletion of their posts might get the message across.

A further option, of course, is to put them on moderation, although I accept that it is likely to result in more work for you and any fellow - moderators. 

There are times when being nice is counterproductive, and IMHO your suggested solution is one of them. I'm not suggesting that you be "nasty" instead, but on the basis that "actions speak louder than words" your displeasure is more likely to be recognised if more determined measures are implemented.

Chris


moderated Request for more functional move/split #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Suggest adding/modifying for better functionality in moving/splitting messages.

Can't find a way to move (merge?) selected messages into their "proper" topic, because it appears to be an "everything newer than, or nothing" type operation. 
e.g., interspersed down a msg history, 3 members hijacked a thread and ONLY THOSE (non-sequential) msgs need be de-hijacked.  Using SPLIT screws up that intention, unless major work is done following up to move things back around that were never needed to be moved in the first place.

I'm thinking, in a dialog from the "Edit" options, checkboxes to choose how many/whichever msgs need to have some operation carried out on them (merge, or move, or reassign to a brand-new topic?

Also, many may find it more helpful if terminology was consistent across the platform and between menus and help/instructions, e.g., is it a Topic or a Thread? (etc.)

Thanks for considering and keep up the excellent work!

-k


moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 09:39 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
How will the new PM feature interact, if at all, in groups set to reply-to-group with other reply methods disabled?
Perhaps PM could be automatically disabled if "Remove Other Reply Options" is set ? Or be disabled as a separate group option?
 
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moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

In fact, here was my original suggestion for the feature, from two+ years ago:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/9529?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,posterid%3A20540+%2B+PM,100,2,0,2184691

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moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

I think (ironically) that I was one of the original backers of this feature, or even the first (or one of the first) to suggest it. However, since then the "disable other reply options" was implemented, which I find very useful in preventing (or minimizing) offlist conversations. How will the new PM feature interact, if at all, in groups set to reply-to-group with other reply methods disabled? It seems to water it down.
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moderated Re: Suggestion: Ability to send PM from a member's profile page #suggestion

 

Hi All,

An Email button is now shown when viewing a fellow member's group profile page.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 7:37 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 02:38 PM, Duane wrote:
You can show full email addresses in a group by selecting that option at Settings, Privacy, Hide Email Addresses In Archives.  If the archives are public, non-members will still see the figleaf, but members that are signed in will see the email address.  When the option was added, it defaulted to masking because that's what it had been.
Duane,

            Thank you very much for having taken the time to post this.   It's well-nigh impossible to keep up with the many "under the hood" changes at Groups.io, particularly if they're not something one uses with any frequency.

             I hope that this option now defaults to "not masked" for newly created groups.
 
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moderated Re: thumbing-up messages in a locked thread

 

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
I recently saw a locked thread, and noticed I could no "like" any
messages. Is this intentional or coincidence?

This is now fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Ability to apply hashtags to group members #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 10/17/2018 06:50 PM UTC:

However, the fact remains that groups.io, unlike, say, Facebook, is message-based rather than profile/user-based. It still would do little or no good for members to be able to "find" other members with those interests.

Yes... and it seems to me that if members want to "find" other members with similar interests in Gio groups they subscribe to it would be as easy as posting a message to the group.

Jim H


moderated Re: Ability to apply hashtags to group members #suggestion

 

I have nothing against letting groups.io members ‘find each other,’ as you put it, but currently at least, there is really no mechanism for that anyway. Group members can access group directories only in groups that have chosen to make it accessible to non-moderators (although in groups where it is accessible, that might be a way for members to find each ofher). There is currently no @ member PM fearure, although that has been requested several times; etc. The whole system is geared on messages, with member profiles almost seeming as an afterthought. If Mark changes that at some point, I could see value in your suggestion.

I envision the hashtags applied to members to be along the lines of identity vs description - e.g. city and state in a group geared towards sales, specialty in a technical group, etc. Using them that way would not create the volleyball vs tennis problem you cite, although of course usage would be up to group moderators (including, as now, which hashtags could be used/applied by non-moderators vs which ones could be used only by moderators). 

Best wishes to you as well.


On Oct 17, 2018, at 3:45 PM, Rob Gordon <rob@...> wrote:

"It still would do little or no good for members to be able to "find" other members with those interests".

Sorry, I just could not possibly disagree more.   I should not have commented on your old post - good luck getting the features you want implemented. 

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moderated Re: Ability to apply hashtags to group members #suggestion

 

"It still would do little or no good for members to be able to "find" other members with those interests".

Sorry, I just could not possibly disagree more.   I should not have commented on your old post - good luck getting the features you want implemented.


Re: Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

dave w
 

And I'd support doing something, even small steps sooner than later.
It will save a few gigs of space overall, which cant be a bad thing.
Stripping ridiculous sig files isn't that great a harm to messages. They're usualy egotistical crap anyway and as I cme from the early 90's of net, many are an 'abuse' of the privilege ( 4 lines max etc.)!
Given the anal-retentive control freaks who seem to manage- sorry 'OWN'  many groups but themselves do nothing to manage anything let alone 'control' member 'message' behaviour and format to the detriment of other members, an 'auto-flush' feature seems quite appropriate!
+1 Bruce and Shal.
Thanks davew


moderated Re: Ability to apply hashtags to group members #suggestion

 

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Rob Gordon wrote:
In your model, a member who usually posted about say "tennis" would have their profile and everything they posted about automatically tagged as "tennis" - even if they suddenly started posting about "volleyball" - what a mess that would create. 

It would not create a mess since the group moderators would tag the group members with only the hashtags deemed important for that member and that group. In my group, for example, I would tag all members whose cats have large cell lymphoma (as opposed to small cell lymphoma, a radically different disease) so that all the topics they start would be tagged with that designation. There would be no requirement for any member to have any other tags. There would be no requirement, in fact, for any moderators/groups to use the feature at all. So there would be no "mess."


Allowing users to tag their profiles - in the example I gave, with "tennis" or "volleyball" would at least provide some content and would allow members to find other members with those interests. 

However, the fact remains that groups.io, unlike, say, Facebook, is message-based rather than profile/user-based. It still would do little or no good for members to be able to "find" other members with those interests. My feature request was a request for a groups.io feature, as currently designed.
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moderated Re: Ability to apply hashtags to group members #suggestion

 

Ok, I probably shouldn't have used your post to support the common sense idea of tagging profiles, so I remove my endorsement of your idea.  In your model, a member who usually posted about say "tennis" would have their profile and everything they posted about automatically tagged as "tennis" - even if they suddenly started posting about "volleyball" - what a mess that would create. 

You are correct, however, about the profiles having no content - that is a wholly different issue.  Allowing users to tag their profiles - in the example I gave, with "tennis" or "volleyball" would at least provide some content and would allow members to find other members with those interests. 


On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 07:39 AM, Rob Gordon wrote:
..making them automatically apply to their posts sounds overly complicated. The results list of the hashtag on a members profile should simply be the other profiles with that same hashtag 
You could implement whatever functionality is desired, but tagging their posts automatically was the reason for my request of the feature. I want people whose cats have xyz disease or issue to be tagged with #xyz so that their POSTS are automatically tagged with #xyz, (a) facilitating other members' search for posts about that disease or issue and (b) saving the members themselves from having to tag their own posts, some of whom either fail to remember to do it or don't know how.

Having the tag return other profiles (by which I think you might actually mean UserId?) with the same hashtag would be pretty useless at this point, since most UserID profiles (at least in my group) are pretty contentless or don't exist at all. Furthermore, this hashtag idea is per group, not per UserId. It does not make sense to tag groups.io UserIds with group-specific hashtags.

So I think your reply might have been based on a misunderstanding here of my idea, which is to tag group profiles with hashtags. Not groups.io profiles.
 
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moderated Re: Ability to apply hashtags to group members #suggestion

 

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 07:39 AM, Rob Gordon wrote:
..making them automatically apply to their posts sounds overly complicated. The results list of the hashtag on a members profile should simply be the other profiles with that same hashtag 
You could implement whatever functionality is desired, but tagging their posts automatically was the reason for my request of the feature. I want people whose cats have xyz disease or issue to be tagged with #xyz so that their POSTS are automatically tagged with #xyz, (a) facilitating other members' search for posts about that disease or issue and (b) saving the members themselves from having to tag their own posts, some of whom either fail to remember to do it or don't know how.

Having the tag return other profiles (by which I think you might actually mean UserId?) with the same hashtag would be pretty useless at this point, since most UserID profiles (at least in my group) are pretty contentless or don't exist at all. Furthermore, this hashtag idea is per group, not per UserId. It does not make sense to tag groups.io UserIds with group-specific hashtags.

So I think your reply might have been based on a misunderstanding here of my idea, which is to tag group profiles with hashtags. Not groups.io profiles.
 
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moderated Re: Ability to apply hashtags to group members #suggestion

 

I wholeheartedly endorse the idea of member profiles having hashtags, but making them automatically apply to their posts sounds overly complicated.  The results list of the hashtag on a members profile should simply be the other profiles with that same hashtag.

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