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moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

 

Are you really proposing to display all 3,000+ or 20,000+ email addresses in those kinds of large groups??? I guess there would be ways of doing it without hogging the screen. But I’m not crazy about the idea, for many reasons. I do think showing the address in the case of private replies would be very helpful.

On Sep 21, 2018, at 8:20 AM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Received from Gerald Boutin at 9/21/2018 02:35 AM UTC:

I am 100% against this idea. It is already too easy for users to harvest other user's email addresses and is not necessary for communication of information.

You didn't read my original feature request very carefully.

I said, "Figleafing in conformance with group settings is OK."

That wouldn't display any more of an email address than is already displayed as the "From:" address in every message we receive.

Jim H



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moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Gerald Boutin at 9/21/2018 02:35 AM UTC:

I am 100% against this idea. It is already too easy for users to harvest other user's email addresses and is not necessary for communication of information.

You didn't read my original feature request very carefully.

I said, "Figleafing in conformance with group settings is OK."

That wouldn't display any more of an email address than is already displayed as the "From:" address in every message we receive.

Jim H


moderated Re: icon for private-reply topics #suggestion

 

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 01:59 AM, Marina wrote:
"private reply only" option should be available both to moderators in the drop down menu under the messages in Topics view (so that moderators may have a less harsh alternative to locking a topic) and to members who, for any reason, may wish their queries to be answered privately.
Further to my prior reply, only moderators can edit topics anyway (i.e., use the dropdown). Not group members. So the bottom line is that you can give your members the ability to set a topic to "private reply," but only by creating a hashtag set to that and allowing non-moderators to use the tag. 

I would still like to have the option available in the dropdown, so that I can catch certain threads and set them to private reply before any replies come in.
 
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Strip Out Embedded images #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

I just spent the last two hours deleting a bunch of dupe images linked to messages saying things like "me too."

And so, with some trepidation, I would like to resurrect the idea of a group option that strips embedded images from messages and does something with them besides letting them just proliferate in the Emailed Photos folder.

Thanks,
Bruce

P.S. Here's hoping the S/N ratio on this thread remains high.


moderated Re: icon for private-reply topics #suggestion

 

There would be a problem with letting members set topics to private-reply, whether by hashtag or directly. Topics should be set to private reply only when there is just one messsge in them and there are no replies yet. The private reply goes to the last message-writer in the topic, unless the responder goes specifically to a message by the specific writer they want to respond to.

I personally would NOT make this setting available to anyone but a knowledgeable moderator.

On Sep 21, 2018, at 1:59 AM, Marina <moderatore@biblit.it> wrote:

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:33 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

But that actually brings up another idea: the ability to set topics to thst
directky.
Such a feature would be very useful.
My group use mandatory hashtags created only by Mods, adding another hashtag is likely to increase confusion in those members who already have difficulty in posting messages with a proper subject.

In my view, the "private reply only" option should be available both to moderators in the drop down menu under the messages in Topics view (so that moderators may have a less harsh alternative to locking a topic) and to members who, for any reason, may wish their queries to be answered privately. Although I must say that I have mixed feelings about freely letting members set their topics to private reply only. In general, we encourage people to share information and opinions.

Have a nice day everybody,
Marina


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moderated Re: icon for private-reply topics #suggestion

Marina
 

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:33 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

But that actually brings up another idea: the ability to set topics to thst
directky.
Such a feature would be very useful.
My group use mandatory hashtags created only by Mods, adding another hashtag is likely to increase confusion in those members who already have difficulty in posting messages with a proper subject.

In my view, the "private reply only" option should be available both to moderators in the drop down menu under the messages in Topics view (so that moderators may have a less harsh alternative to locking a topic) and to members who, for any reason, may wish their queries to be answered privately. Although I must say that I have mixed feelings about freely letting members set their topics to private reply only. In general, we encourage people to share information and opinions.

Have a nice day everybody,
Marina


moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

 

Hold on, I'm re-reading the OP and I meant to limit my agreement strictly to private replies. If what's being discussed is showing all the addressees any time the reply is to the group, I think that's a dealbreaker. I'm not sure I understand what's originally being proposed.
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moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

 

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 09:54 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
You just see it after sending rather than before, which I find really unhelpful.
In fact, after I've sent any private reply, I immediately look for the bcc afterwards in my inbox (I *always* use the bcc for precisely this reason), anxiously hoping that I sent it to the right person. A couple of times, I haven't. It's currently a real PITA.
 
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moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

 

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 07:35 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
 It is already too easy for users to harvest other user's email addresses
Even if I agreed with that (which I don't), once you actually send the private reply, if you've checked "bcc me" you automatically see the email address you've sent it to anyway. You just see it after sending rather than before, which I find really unhelpful. Adding the addressee for the writer to view beforehand only adds to convenience and fewer errors, and does nothing to make "harvesting" email addresses easier.
 
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moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

 

I actually agree that this is currently a big problem. My group is set to reply-all, but often, topics are set to private-reply. In that case, as well as when someone purposely selects "private reply" in a reply-all (i.e., default) topic, you can't see the addressee when you reply.

This has resulted in numerous cases of private replies going to the wrong person. Some people don't realize that "private reply" means you're replying to the person whose post you are directly under, and mistakenly assume that their reply is going to the OP. Even if they do realize, some people goof and reply underneath the wrong message. 

I strongly agree that adding the addressee would be a boon by reducing (if not entirely eliminating) this kind of error.
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moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 09:33 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
Not all groups are "conversation groups"... and with the ability to insert a"Reply-to:" header we have lost the ability to expect that responses are limited to group, sender or moderator (or some combination of those).
This is a case where the type of group is completely, utterly irrelevant.   If you want what you say you want then manage a private mailing list within your e-mail client.

Groups are meant, whether conversation/announcement only to go to ALL MEMBERS of a group when you reply to the group.  You, for any you, don't get to pick and choose and shouldn't be able to via the group mechanism itself.  You have lots of other very easy methods to carry on private conversations with select group members.

I just don't get why people want to circumvent the core feature of a medium that has been in existence as long as this one.  I've been around since the days of Usenet.  You never got to "pick and choose" who you were responding to when you sent a reply to a group message or created a new message going out to the group.

I, as a member of a group, have every right to expect that anything not sent as a private message is going out to the group, not the members of your choosing (for any you, not you personally).
 
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moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

I am 100% against this idea. It is already too easy for users to harvest other user's email addresses and is not necessary for communication of information.

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moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Brian Vogel at 9/20/2018 06:56 PM UTC:

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 02:30 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
reply will go plainly visible and editable before the reply is sent.
Why? If you are part of a typical conversation group on a service such as this one replies can, and should, always go to all current members of the group.

Groups can be set up to reply only to sender, therefore it must be Gio's opinion that your opinion above isn't shared by Gio. Nor was it shared by Yahoo Groups. Nor is it shared by group owners who have chosen to set up their groups to reply to sender rather than to the entire group.

And... unless I'm recalling incorrectly, a feature was recently added to allow a sender to insert a "Reply-to:" header that could direct a reply to a 3rd party who is neither the sender nor even a member of the group. I think we should have an opportunity to see exactly where any response is going so we can decide whether or not to send the response.


You can't do this via the e-mail interface and shouldn't be able to, either.

I shouldn't be able to see where my response is going? Seriously?!!!!!!

It's precisely because I can't do this via the web interface that I'm requesting this feature to be added. I can see who I'm replying to when I create a reply in my home email client (as I am now), why not via the Gio message editor also? It's "standard" in any email client I've ever seen that the person creating a response can see the address to which he is responding. And being able to do so is even more important when the ability exists to put any darn thing someone wants to into a "Reply-to:" header.


Private responses can go to one or more members of your choosing, but replies to a conversation group should always go to all members of the group. If you want a side group then do that by e-mail.

Not all groups are "conversation groups"... and with the ability to insert a"Reply-to:" header we have lost the ability to expect that responses are limited to group, sender or moderator (or some combination of those). If there is going to be an unexpected reply-to address added to a reply, I want to know what it is before sending that reply.

Why would you object to that?

Jim H


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

 

All,

I'm putting this topic on moderation; nothing new is coming from the discussion.

Like I said, there are technical limitations to what I can put in a plain text footer. You can certainly reply to sender from the 'View/Reply Online' link. It just takes an extra click of the Private button when replying.

Mark

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:42 AM Drew <pubx1@...> wrote:
Yes, there is no Reply-to-Sender footer link on your post. If I want to
reply to you privately I can manually copy & paste your address in the
email headers. Or go through the Group page, as you say.

Not a big deal to me personally. It's just that we can't realistically
tell subscribers to "take it off list" and expect them to comply.

Drew


On 09/20/18 14:18, Frances wrote:
> So, Drew, the footers for your post don’t have a Reply to Sender link.
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> No way through email off-list, only through the Group homepage. (Reply, then change reply to Private.)
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> At least to your post on Beta.
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> Frances
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>> On Sep 20 18, at 1:30 PM, Drew <pubx1@...> wrote:
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>> Yes, there is good reason to be able to take a group discussion "off list". Unfortunately, the email mechanism to do so easily (the List-Post header) caused a lot of confusion when it was tried in Groups.io for reasons I don't remember. So, taking a discussion off list means having to manually copy &  paste the From field to the To field, etc.
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>> I'm not keen on having additional footer links however.
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>> Drew
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moderated Re: Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 02:30 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
reply will go plainly visible and editable before the reply is sent.
Why?   If you are part of a typical conversation group on a service such as this one replies can, and should, always go to all current members of the group.

You can't do this via the e-mail interface and shouldn't be able to, either.

Private responses can go to one or more members of your choosing, but replies to a conversation group should always go to all members of the group.  If you want a side group then do that by e-mail.
 
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moderated Re: Replying (was: Footer variations in individual emails)

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Ronaldo,

            If you read what others have said, you'll get why the need is there.   It is a grand PITA, particularly if you can't see, to attempt to extract the originating member's e-mail address from the headers on the message.

            I can do that with ease, but others can't.

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moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Drew
 

Yes, there is no Reply-to-Sender footer link on your post. If I want to reply to you privately I can manually copy & paste your address in the email headers. Or go through the Group page, as you say.

Not a big deal to me personally. It's just that we can't realistically tell subscribers to "take it off list" and expect them to comply.

Drew

On 09/20/18 14:18, Frances wrote:
So, Drew, the footers for your post don’t have a Reply to Sender link.
No way through email off-list, only through the Group homepage. (Reply, then change reply to Private.)
At least to your post on Beta.
Frances

On Sep 20 18, at 1:30 PM, Drew <pubx1@af2z.net> wrote:

Yes, there is good reason to be able to take a group discussion "off list". Unfortunately, the email mechanism to do so easily (the List-Post header) caused a lot of confusion when it was tried in Groups.io for reasons I don't remember. So, taking a discussion off list means having to manually copy & paste the From field to the To field, etc.

I'm not keen on having additional footer links however.

Drew




moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
I believe Groups.io will be useful to more people/groups and function best, if it can be set to meet all needs rather than pared down to the desires of a few.
I should be free to express my opinions just as much as you are.

That being said, I am not trying to say what a number of people wish to say I am.

I would never term a "one-way group"  a group, but a list, or an "Announcement Cluster."  But that's neither here nor there.

When I say group/forum, I mean what was traditionally meant, a collection of people in multi-way communication.  Hence, my original comments stand in that context.

If folks need and want one-way communication from a central point out to a collection of people managed by a membership roster, more power to them.
 
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moderated Groups.io Message Editor #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

When replying to a message via Groups.io online, I'd like to see all addresses to which that reply will go plainly visible and editable before the reply is sent. Figleafing in conformance with group settings is OK.

Currently the address(es) a reply is directed to are not visible.

Jim H


moderated Re: Footer variations in individual emails

Frances
 

So, Drew, the footers for your post don’t have a Reply to Sender link.

No way through email off-list, only through the Group homepage. (Reply, then change reply to Private.)

At least to your post on Beta.

Frances

On Sep 20 18, at 1:30 PM, Drew <pubx1@af2z.net> wrote:

Yes, there is good reason to be able to take a group discussion "off list". Unfortunately, the email mechanism to do so easily (the List-Post header) caused a lot of confusion when it was tried in Groups.io for reasons I don't remember. So, taking a discussion off list means having to manually copy & paste the From field to the To field, etc.

I'm not keen on having additional footer links however.

Drew



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