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moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

 

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 05:58 AM, Nina Eppes wrote:
How about "Message rejected by system"
I like it!
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

Nina Eppes
 

How about "Message rejected by system"? Passive, I know, but it keeps the word "Message" first.

- Nina


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

J,

I also see it that way with no space between the sentences and not
double spaced. There is a space before the hyphen before the name.

Donald

On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:57:21 -0700, "J_Catlady"
<j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks! That's interesting, because here on the web it appears with a line break. When it appeared correctly in emails, it was double-spaced on the web - which caused me to get rid of what seemed to be the "extra" line break...???? 

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https://groups.io/g/ICOM (just launched)


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Ahem...
“You received”  (We’ll just keep hammering to go cleaner/crisper) :-)
 
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moderated Re: Display images in a carousel #suggestion

 

Bruce,

And doesn't the Photomatic functionality already exist in the Emailed
Photos folder?
No.

The key distinction is that the Photomatic albums are per message, whereas the Emailed Photos album has them all lumped together. Grouping by message would be a prerequisite for the proposed carousel function, as I understand it.

Shal


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

 

Also, just noticing that in my email (gmail), it appears with a line break. Weird.


On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 5:57 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Thanks! That's interesting, because here on the web it appears with a line break. When it appeared correctly in emails, it was double-spaced on the web - which caused me to get rid of what seemed to be the "extra" line break...???? 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

 

Thanks! That's interesting, because here on the web it appears with a line break. When it appeared correctly in emails, it was double-spaced on the web - which caused me to get rid of what seemed to be the "extra" line break...???? 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 9/8/2018 03:46 PM UTC:

p.s. Jim, sorry I called you Tim. I know someone named Tim Higgins and my brain did a swap. :)-- J
I noticed, but it wasn't a problem. ;-)

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
For what it's worth, the above is how your signature appears now - no line breaks - in mail Groups.io sends to my personal email account. The reason is due to the <br/> tag between "fishy ones." and "My humanity..." It should be <br />, not <br/>. Hope that helps.

Jim H


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

 

p.s. Jim, sorry I called you Tim. I know someone named Tim Higgins and my brain did a swap. :)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

 

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 08:34 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The fact that it's labelled an "Activity" log is a big part of what makes "Rejected message" so misleading.
By which I mean, "Rejected message" sounds like an action by someone and you're left wondering who.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

 

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 08:10 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
So if it’s a log of activity - the latter 
if its a status log, the former.
ESP. I was having that exact same thought about 15 minutes ago, while making coffee, just as you were probably typing it. The fact that it's labelled an "Activity" log is a big part of what makes "Rejected message" so misleading. Plus, as you, said, "Message rejected" would be consistent with the other terms.

To the word "the" (as in "the system rejected the message"), I give a thumbs-down. We're talking about search terms. There is no "the message" to refer to. So my vote is for either simply "Message rejected" or "System rejected a message." 
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Ah yes. Duh. Passive was the operative word, not third person (3rd passive vs 3rd active) the late hour is my only defense ;-)

Or — just 1st active. I am the IO system and I rejected your message ,,,,, LOL

in the log I see one way is describing the current status (rejected massage) the reverse is describing how it was acted upon (message rejected.)
So if it’s a log of activity - the latter 
if its a status log, the former. 


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

 

"agree with both you and Tim that "
should read
"agree with both you and Tim about"
I was missing a verb. LOL


On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:53 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
LOL. Yes, of course, the ghosted verb in that phrase is "was." And it's passive construction. And normally I would argue that it doesn't matter because we're not aiming for a Pulitzer Prize in literature. But you're also right that there are reasons passive construction is usually undesirable (except in certain circumstances, as when the character is actually being a passive victim in the story). It's clearer to attribute actions to someone or something, in this case, "the system."

So I agree with both you and Tim that mentioning "the system" or just "system" (again, not aiming for great literature) in order to state exactly what happened.

The only nagging little thing is that in the Message Activity log, it does make more sense to me for the Message to be the first word. The other thing is "the system has rejected" does not feel like quite the correct tense. I'd say "The system rejected..."

Either way, "Rejected message" has got to go. ;)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

 

LOL. Yes, of course, the ghosted verb in that phrase is "was." And it's passive construction. And normally I would argue that it doesn't matter because we're not aiming for a Pulitzer Prize in literature. But you're also right that there are reasons passive construction is usually undesirable (except in certain circumstances, as when the character is actually being a passive victim in the story). It's clearer to attribute actions to someone or something, in this case, "the system."

So I agree with both you and Tim that mentioning "the system" or just "system" (again, not aiming for great literature) in order to state exactly what happened.

The only nagging little thing is that in the Message Activity log, it does make more sense to me for the Message to be the first word. The other thing is "the system has rejected" does not feel like quite the correct tense. I'd say "The system rejected..."

Either way, "Rejected message" has got to go. ;)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Rejected message" to "Message rejected" in member activity log #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

“Message rejected” would be shorthand for (third person)
“The message was rejected...”
IMNHO an uggggggghhhgh  in technical writing.  
Ambiguous.... WHO did the rejecting? 
Unless it’s intentionally written 3rd person so as to obfuscate or avoid implying blame (as “mistakes were made” vs the pointed “Joe screwed up”. ) my fav I love to redline and pass out demerits on is “it was determined that......”. WHO?
Why not admit and take the credit for making the call, if that’s your job?

Plus it takes 1.5x the verbage to convey all the pertinent info when writing in the 3rd person. 

Da dum < stepping off the soapbox. 

So.... “ the system has rejected...x.. because....y” is short and to the point. 

Sent from my phone


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: If NormalizeHTMLEmails is set, normalize any added member signatures as well.
  • NEW: Added 'TR:' as a subject reply indicator.
  • CHANGE: Made our Message-ID header line parsing code smarter, to deal with a crazy message-id of the form "salkdjjks@alksjdklas (extra unexpected stuff here)"
  • CHANGE: Now removing any erroneous nulls from decoded message subject lines.
  • CHANGE: When exporting Yahoo Groups, scan messages for U+FFFD characters and remove them.
  • INTERNAL: Work on automated provisioning/configuration of new machines.
  • SYSADMIN: Created a new, larger search cluster, and reindexed the site.
  • BUGFIX: Added missing 'Reply To Group & Sender' option in full digests.
  • BUGFIX: When aliasing a hashtag to another tag, existing topics were not being properly updated in the search index. So searches on the aliased-to tag would not show the aliased-from topics. This was due to two issues in how we were updating the search index.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Option to remove formatting from auto-sigs #suggestion

 

Michael,
I just checked my subscription page here, and my sig was double-spaced in it, for some reason (I recall that it came out that way after copy/pasting). Getting rid of the double spacing was no problem, though, and it now seems to be coming out correctly here. With my group member it's a different story. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Option to remove formatting from auto-sigs #suggestion

 

Michael,

Yes, I noticed that a long time ago and was just thinking about that, too! I copied and pasted the quote from somewhere, which may explain it. There seem to be anomalies in formatting scattered around groups.io, usually having to do with having copied and pasted something. I suspect this is one of those issues.

Thanks!

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 7:22 PM Michael Pavan <michaelpavan@...> wrote:
J,

BTW, your signature is double-spaced on both email and the website.

> On Sep 7, 2018, at 9:54 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
>
> That's basically right. The signature is single-spaced in the member page but double spaced in the archived message. I don't know if I still have the email, so I don't know how it comes out in that, but I will send you all the info I have at support. Thanks!
> --
> J
>
> Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
>
> My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
>
>





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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Option to remove formatting from auto-sigs #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

J,

BTW, your signature is double-spaced on both email and the website.

On Sep 7, 2018, at 9:54 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

That's basically right. The signature is single-spaced in the member page but double spaced in the archived message. I don't know if I still have the email, so I don't know how it comes out in that, but I will send you all the info I have at support. Thanks!
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Option to remove formatting from auto-sigs #suggestion

 

That's basically right. The signature is single-spaced in the member page but double spaced in the archived message. I don't know if I still have the email, so I don't know how it comes out in that, but I will send you all the info I have at support. Thanks!
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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