On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 09:08 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

(Though saying that ensures that someone will think of one.)

Of course they will. I'm counting down. ;p
 
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J,

This could be done with sub-option under "Normalize HTML emails" that
says "Include auto-signatures."

Even simpler, I wouldn't bother with the sub-option. I can't imagine a use case for not also normalizing the signature.

(Though saying that ensures that someone will think of one.)

Shal

Thank you Dave for the explanation.  I created an email alias, and will use that to test the Subscriber view.

OP-
Good document control practise is that you do not have a constantly named file unless it's iteration is also described.
People will inevitable download these things and then not know what version it is they have. (Ever been accused of misleading ppl only to find they have a 3 year old file they use for reference)?
Relying on a 'change date' field is a poor second best 'control'.

Not criticising Marks bug fix or reasons for change ;-)
regards
davew

This is somewhat related to a previous request I made for an option to limit the number of characters in the sig:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/23851783

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On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Jim Higgins wrote:

I've pretty much given up walking subscribers who won't look at the HELP files for themselves thru how to do things, but if this will really help those who still have the patience then it would be a VERY GOOD THING.

Jim H

I've no idea how that particular comment helps in any way the request made.

FWIW Alan, using another profile for 'Admin-Test' purposes has been the way on 'systems' for years AND is more robust.
It is cleaner, personal (to you) and certainly involves a lot less tricky programming than I expect Mark would ever want to do even if he has the time and wherewithall to do so.
Mail.com allows accounts and up to 10 alias', so while it's a chore for you, you are talking about ensuring your clients well being and usefulness of the group.
Regards, davew

This ^,
and strip the d** annoying html advertising sigs from other sites period; as well as graphic based sigs.
Both are using space and extend (as stated above) into abuse of screen space.
Yes, some of us do continue to use 8 year old laptops- no, we don't all have unlimited wealth and 24"+ screen real estate to fawn over.
Cheers dave

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 02:21 PM, ro-esp wrote:

and whether that value outweighs the amount of programming

It would be easy to implement. It's not quite so clear how to make the setting interact with Helen's suggestion about just moderating the first message in threads started by the member. I think the two could be nested options, with moderate whole thread beneath moderate first message.

that's what often happens when an idea is "outside the box"...

I don't see it as that far out of the box. But yeah. ;)
 
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On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 07:35 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

The only question is whether moderating threads by certain individuals would
have value.

Moderating threads *started by* certain individuals, right?
Something like "override. threads started by this member are moderated"

and whether that value outweighs the amount of programming

these arguments against it are really perplexing.

that's what often happens when an idea is "outside the box"...

groetjes, Ronaldo

I'm not seeing this at all. When I see a post with image attachments, it has a bunch of small images underneath. When I click one, it goes to an image URL and displays the image (no HTML). I need to click "back" to go back to the messages, find the next image (remember where I was) and click on the next one.

/Colin

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 08:32 AM, Colin 't Hart wrote:

May I suggest that images be displayed in a "carousel" -- with next and previous buttons? Right now images open in a new page, requiring Back and the clicking on the next one (if you remember where you were up to).

There already are next and previous buttons. Click anywhere in the grey areas that flank the image. It does take awhile to load and render the next image, though.

Bruce

I have a new group member whose signature comes out double-spaced, which ends up using about a half page of real estate at the bottom of each of his posts - the posts themselves are often quite short. I went into his member page to fix this, but the signature in his member page appears to be single-spaced. So this seems to be something he copied and pasted from somewhere (possibly a word doc) with formatting not visible.

This may have come up before here (if so, I couldn't find the thread(, but I would like to be able to remove formatting from signatures, just as our group removes formatting from posts. This could be done with sub-option under "Normalize HTML emails" that says "Include auto-signatures." (Since with signatures the problem is not really emails, perhaps the wording could be changed to "Normalize HTML messages," with the sub-option "Include signatures" - or something like that.)
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Hi,

May I suggest that images be displayed in a "carousel" -- with next and previous buttons? Right now images open in a new page, requiring Back and the clicking on the next one (if you remember where you were up to).

Thanks,

Colin

BTW I did start a separate thread with my suggestion of applying hashtags to group members, so this discussion could be taken over there:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/ability_to_apply_hashtags_to/25166716

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On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 03:16 PM, Don McKee wrote:

I'm looking for an option that lists the "Display Name", but  hides a usable email address.

You can't hide email addresses in groups.io. You can mask them when they appear onlist, but they will always appear in the email messages. 
 

If users haven't set their display name, then just leave them blank or maybe replaced with "<Not Provided>"

If there's no display name, and you omit (which was one of your suggested options) rather than just mask the email address, then there's no info to display. But if you just mask (aka figleaf) the email address, there's no problem.

I changed it to imply that owners (and moderators with appropriate permissions) would still see the entire email address.

I think it's clear that by selecting "subscribers," owners and mods with the correct permission would also have access. So I don't think you need to say that. Plus, it's a little confusing to refer to subscribers with or without permissions, since subscribers, unlike moderators, are not assigned individual permissions. (Note that the next option below says simply "Subscribers," yet still implies that owners and mods with permission would see the list.)

So I think it all makes sense and is a good idea, as long as you mask (rather than omit) the email addresses and remove the part about permissions in your "subscribers, but mask email" option.

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Received from Dave Wade at 9/4/2018 05:29 PM UTC:

As others have said, in most its usually people who need moderating, not topics. In most groups there are one or two vocal individuals who need careful management.
They divert threads off-topic and hijack sensible discussion. Even then they are, if membership is not moderated, prone to opening new accounts…

Yes... and they do so at their own peril in my groups. If they need "careful management" then everything they post is moderated because I don't have the time or patience to "carefully moderate" problem subscribers. If they behave as badly as you mention above... going as far as trying to open new accounts to bypass moderation, they get tossed and banned.

Responsible management can (and sometimes must) be supplemented, but never replaced. Every solution I've ever needed began with management of the root cause of the underlying problem... after which additional solutions were often unnecessary.

Jim H

I second that! This isn't the first time in this thread and it's getting a bit old.

Jim H


Received from Tony Moody at 9/4/2018 02:20 PM UTC:

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 05:09 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:

why not simply tell that member that the specific hashtag must be applied

If the required hashtag is known ... Some of them would be known at joining. Some would not be known. Some members would comply. Some would not. Etc. etc. etc. 
 
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Received from J_Catlady at 9/3/2018 06:35 PM UTC:

The idea is that either the member or the mod applies the hashtag at some point, thus *eliminating* the need to moderate on a per-message basis and/or add it later. In our group, we deal with one main disease that has subdiagnoses. We know a priori when a member joins which their cat has (or the cat may be diagnosed with it later). We would apply the hashtag to the member immediately upon joining, or when their cat's diagnosis becomes known.

If the required hashtag is known when the member joins the group, why not simply tell that member that the specific hashtag must be applied to every new thread that member starts?

Jim H

Received from Alan N at 9/3/2018 06:47 PM UTC:

Not sure if this has previously been requested. I'm a new Group Owner, and finding it cumbersome to "see" what how the website appears to regular (non Owner or Moderator) Subscribers. I only have ONE personal email address, and would rather not have to create another one to subscribe (as a "testing profile") for my group. It would be a lot easier to have the option (under Owner or Moderator Settings) to easily swap back and forth.

I've pretty much given up walking subscribers who won't look at the HELP files for themselves thru how to do things, but if this will really help those who still have the patience then it would be a VERY GOOD THING.

Jim H