One step beyond putting a member on moderation would be to temporarily "suspend" their membership. Suspension would entail the person not having access to the group, as if they were not a member at all, until the membership is restored. This would be very useful in some cases in our group. Since we are a premium group, we have the ability to effect this by removing the member and then direct-adding them back in. But suspension would be more desirable, because they could be restored with one click and would not be treated like a new member again, with the welcome and direct-add messages.
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Actually I just rechecked the log to see if maybe I *was* being picky. :) I found that it looks fine. So either Mark fixed it with the speed of light, or I misread it. 
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:32 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

The current log entry for when a member changes their email address reads "[new email address] changed their email to [new email address]." It would be more informative if it could read "[old email address] changed their email to [new email address]."

Well, now you're just being picky! 
 
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Gerald

The current log entry for when a member changes their email address reads "[new email address] changed their email to [new email address]." It would be more informative if it could read "[old email address] changed their email to [new email address]."
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

More generally, I would suggest 'Topic (thread) starting posts' as general moderation option, that can be set both for group and member (and for new members for first n), alongside the more general 'any post' moderation (which obviously includes 'first in topic' posts).

And that (if not already there), 'moderate topic' be present as a standard option on moderating messages.

Jeremy 

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Helen wrote:

How about Moderate First Post In Any Threads Started By This Member?

(My Bold!)

Now that does make sense IMHO. I could not - and cannot - get my head around the idea that in a group of (say) 26 people A to Y could start and reply to topics without moderation, with Z being able to reply without moderation to topics initiated by A to Y, while any topic started by Z was not only moderated but forced A to Y to be moderated in their replies.

I simply cannot see what forcing A to Y to be moderated in the above case achieves or why it it is seen to be necessary.

Chris

Thanks, Mark. Obviously I can't speak for what Janet wants, I originally thought we wanted the same thing, but having re-read the thread, i agree she may well have been asking for something other than what I would like.

Yes, what I would like please is the ability to moderate the first post in any thread started by certain members. You are correct that I don't mind if they then can respond without moderation within their own threads, and I am happy for them to be unmoderated when responding to other people's threads.

This is purely because I have a number of members who are incapable of using subject lines correctly. For example, they just use a list of hashtags. (I believe such posts weren't allowed through previously, which I preferred, but it seems the subject line now becomes the hashtags). I also insist upon meaningful subject lines, but certain members can't manage those either. So I go and change them, but then people responding via e-mail end up in the original thread with the original subject line, and then I have to keep merging the threads.

In terms of confusion, I take your point. How about Moderate First Post In Any Threads Started By This Member?

Many thanks.

Helen

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 06:22 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

And if so, how can I set this up so that it isn't completely confusing?

 

I don't think you can; I am almost completely bewildered, but in my case it doesn't matter because I don't have to try to find a way of implimenting "it" whatever "it" actually is.

Helen's case is clear (at least it seems so!) in that specific members are prevented from starting Topics without a Moderator releasing them. J's initial case did not specify if she was looking for a setting to apply to specific members or all members. I also cannot see why subsequent replies would also need to be moderated, if the problem lies in the way new topics are started, especially in the way the subject line is designed.

It would be a lot easier if suggestions specified the exact problem they were trying to address rather than propose some sort of solution to a problem that has not actually been defined.

Chris

I agree. That is why I said "it seems there is another bug".

I am actually thrilled how quickly you guys respond and fix bugs.

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:38 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

CHANGE: The pending message notification email now uses the pending message's subscriber email address instead of the Sender line when describing who the message is from.

Hi Mark,

I think this fix was prompted by the problem I was having with the member's email address not showing up in the pending notification, so that I couldn't tell who she was - as reported here:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/moderator_access_to_group/23853562

You had told me, from the support address after I sent you the details, that it was fixed and that it should now show "the correct email address." But she had told me that she was "using a different email address" to post to the group, and she had, and has, no alias set up. What was showing in the pending notice was not the "Sender line" (although I'm not quite sure what you mean by that). The pending notice showed an actual gmail address that is not the one she's subscribed to the group under, so I am still flummoxed.

At any rate, I have a response in to you at support asking about this, so hopefully I can get the answer either here or there as to what is, or was, going on. Thanks!
 
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Mark,

* CHANGE: On the Members page, only bring up the Action dialog if at
least one member is selected.

I do not like the new user experience. Having the menu simply close makes me think that the software is broken, it doesn't suggest to me that I've made a mistake, let alone what mistake I've made.

Far better would be if the cursor changed to the "no" icon (red slashed circle) when over the menu items. Or maybe when over the Actions button itself, which should be greyed.

Also, a GMF member pointed out to me that the current behavior is inconsistent. The "Send Message" choice still brings up a new composition page, "To: 0 members".

Shal

I heartily second that request!  We have the same issue in keeping the groups display names in sync the names on file with a separate membership-only website.  We use "direct add" for all new members to set the initial display name, but as mentioned above, some people unknowing make changes.  We use the activity log regularly to check on changes, then we send them a note and change it back.  Having a no-change option, at least for us, would be very helpful.

Peace,
Tom

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 06:45 PM, YT9TP - Pedja wrote:

It works now, but it seems there is another bug: after file is uploaded, file list shows upload date as unchanged - it shows previous upload date.

Your post on June 28 said that you didn't want to lose any other data about the file. While I agree that the date of upload and the person who did it should be updated, based on the original feature request the current behavior is a not a bug.

Regards,
Bruce

I'd like to revive this request please. Getting very tired of subject lines full of hashtags and nothing else. Having the option to moderate threads members start but not ones where they only respond would be so helpful.

Thank you.

Helen

Thanks, it works now. :)

What about the second part: option to set default value?

It works now, but it seems there is another bug: after file is uploaded, file list shows upload date as unchanged - it shows previous upload date.