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moderated Re: Groups.io is down ...

Ellen Moody
 

I confess to not knowing where this main forum is. I also am unaware that I have any software called a timezone. 

I'm one of those who when confronted with centigrade temperatures doubles the number and adds thirty. I don't know the formula for moving from fahrenheit to centigrade. I can't imagine meters as yet: inches, feet, yards, miles. But I do have the decimal system downpat ....

Ellen


On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:12 PM Toby Kraft <toby@...> wrote:
Ellen,
Planned outages are posted as events on the calendar in the Beta/Main forum.  If you have your timezone configured correctly (Account -> Preferences), when you view the calendar and hover over the event, the time of the outage will be displayed in your timezone.  As shown here (I'm in Central (Chicago) timezone):

Information on what is affected by the outage is included in the event.
Thanks
Toby

moderated Re: Virus scanning

Dave Wade
 

Mark,

 

Yes scanners can catch spam/phish/malware, the trouble is that virus scanners are tuned for high detection rate because any one choosing a virus scanner will invariably choose the one with the highest detection rate.

Of course this usually equates to a high false positive rate, but no one ever tests for this, and figures for false positives are notoriously hard to find.

This can be a real pain as it often results in critical messages, for example those about SPAM, things containing copies of bad headers in the message body, things where you are trying to send samples of VBScript.

Have you tested what happens when you send innocent, but slightly malicious messages?

 

Dave

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Schweizer
Sent: 21 August 2018 16:55
To: main@beta.groups.io; beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Virus scanning

 

Hi Mark,

 

My questions are:

Will the Owners/Moderators know that a message was blocked?

Will we know how many are blocked each day?

When will it start?

 

Yahoo blocked messages and never notified us what, why and how many. It became a disaster not knowing.

 

Ken

 

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:25 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Virus scanning

 

Hi All,

 

I've been testing virus/phishing scanning the last few weeks and I'm pretty confident that it's catching what it should. In testing, it's scanning all emails, all uploaded files and photos. And right now, if the sender is not a subscriber, it drops any emails it finds has a virus or phishing attack. 

 

My default implementation would be to turn it on so that it blocks all emails, files and photos that it finds has a virus or phishing attempt. Do you see any reason to not do it this way?

 

The scanner I'm using is here: http://www.clamav.net/

 

 

Thanks,

Mark
moderated Re: Groups.io is down ...

Toby Kraft
 

Ellen,
Planned outages are posted as events on the calendar in the Beta/Main forum.  If you have your timezone configured correctly (Account -> Preferences), when you view the calendar and hover over the event, the time of the outage will be displayed in your timezone.  As shown here (I'm in Central (Chicago) timezone):

Information on what is affected by the outage is included in the event.
Thanks
Toby
moderated Re: Virus scanning

Shal Farley
 

Chris,

the only question I have is will group owners know what emails are rejected?

Hopefully these will be activity logged like any other rejection.

Shal
moderated Re: Virus scanning

Ken Schweizer
 

Hi Mark,

 

My questions are:

Will the Owners/Moderators know that a message was blocked?

Will we know how many are blocked each day?

When will it start?

 

Yahoo blocked messages and never notified us what, why and how many. It became a disaster not knowing.

 

Ken

 

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:25 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Virus scanning

 

Hi All,

 

I've been testing virus/phishing scanning the last few weeks and I'm pretty confident that it's catching what it should. In testing, it's scanning all emails, all uploaded files and photos. And right now, if the sender is not a subscriber, it drops any emails it finds has a virus or phishing attack. 

 

My default implementation would be to turn it on so that it blocks all emails, files and photos that it finds has a virus or phishing attempt. Do you see any reason to not do it this way?

 

The scanner I'm using is here: http://www.clamav.net/

 

 

Thanks,

Mark
moderated Re: Groups.io is down ...

Leeni
 

Pacific time is 3 hours earlier then Eastern time
So when it is 11PM Pacific Time it is 2AM Eastern Time
 
Pacific 11PM
Mountain 12Midnight
Central 1AM
Eastern 2AM
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 8/21/2018 10:18:44 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] Groups.io is down ...
 
Thank you all. So I'll just proceed as usual, only I'll send my postings from my gmail.

I am confused about time: how does pacific time 11 pm translate into daylight savings time on the east coast?

Ellen

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:01 AM magicalkingdomgroups@... <magicalkingdomgroups@...> wrote:
It seems that messages are going through to the groups however once in a while that downtime message appears when you try to get to a groups IO home page.
 
Ilene 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 8/21/2018 9:33:21 AM
Subject: [beta] Groups.io is down ...
 
Dear People, 

I just read that Groups.io is down for maintenance. We were informed it will be back by 11 pm pacific time and 4 am UTC (? -- I don't know what that is). 

So, 1) When will groups.io be back EST or daylight savings time?

2) Is it better to wait until the site is back up again before posting again? or does it not matter if one posts now and then the messages come through when the site is back up?

I hope this goes through

Ellen Moody
 

 
moderated Re: Groups.io is down ...

William Finn
 

11pm pst is 2pm est


On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 11:18 AM Ellen Moody <ellen.moody@...> wrote:
Thank you all. So I'll just proceed as usual, only I'll send my postings from my gmail.

I am confused about time: how does pacific time 11 pm translate into daylight savings time on the east coast?

Ellen

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:01 AM magicalkingdomgroups@... <magicalkingdomgroups@...> wrote:
It seems that messages are going through to the groups however once in a while that downtime message appears when you try to get to a groups IO home page.
 
Ilene 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 8/21/2018 9:33:21 AM
Subject: [beta] Groups.io is down ...
 
Dear People, 

I just read that Groups.io is down for maintenance. We were informed it will be back by 11 pm pacific time and 4 am UTC (? -- I don't know what that is). 

So, 1) When will groups.io be back EST or daylight savings time?

2) Is it better to wait until the site is back up again before posting again? or does it not matter if one posts now and then the messages come through when the site is back up?

I hope this goes through

Ellen Moody
 
moderated Re: Groups.io is down ...

Ellen Moody
 

Thank you all. So I'll just proceed as usual, only I'll send my postings from my gmail.

I am confused about time: how does pacific time 11 pm translate into daylight savings time on the east coast?

Ellen

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:01 AM magicalkingdomgroups@... <magicalkingdomgroups@...> wrote:
It seems that messages are going through to the groups however once in a while that downtime message appears when you try to get to a groups IO home page.
 
Ilene 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 8/21/2018 9:33:21 AM
Subject: [beta] Groups.io is down ...
 
Dear People, 

I just read that Groups.io is down for maintenance. We were informed it will be back by 11 pm pacific time and 4 am UTC (? -- I don't know what that is). 

So, 1) When will groups.io be back EST or daylight savings time?

2) Is it better to wait until the site is back up again before posting again? or does it not matter if one posts now and then the messages come through when the site is back up?

I hope this goes through

Ellen Moody
 
moderated Event: Website outage #outage - Tuesday, 21 August 2018 #outage #cal-invite

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Website outage #outage

When:
Tuesday, 21 August 2018
6:50am to 7:50am
(GMT-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

At approximately 6:50am, the website started to become unresponsive. Internally, the web servers were rebooting because they were running out of database connections. I originally thought that this was a database issue, but after much investigation, I was able to track down the problem. A fix I pushed to the site yesterday afternoon affecting Chat was now causing database connections to leak. I have temporarily disabled the Chat function until I can fix the bugfix. Email delivery was not affected during this time.

I will post a post mortem either later today or tomorrow, after I've reinstated Chat and had some time to consider what, if any, changes to make based on this outage.

Calendar

moderated Re: Groups.io is down ...

Leeni
 

It seems that messages are going through to the groups however once in a while that downtime message appears when you try to get to a groups IO home page.
 
Ilene 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 8/21/2018 9:33:21 AM
Subject: [beta] Groups.io is down ...
 
Dear People, 

I just read that Groups.io is down for maintenance. We were informed it will be back by 11 pm pacific time and 4 am UTC (? -- I don't know what that is). 

So, 1) When will groups.io be back EST or daylight savings time?

2) Is it better to wait until the site is back up again before posting again? or does it not matter if one posts now and then the messages come through when the site is back up?

I hope this goes through

Ellen Moody
 
moderated Re: Groups.io is down ...

Barbara Byers
 

This went through fine, and so did a couple of messages I just posted to my groups, so I believe whatever the issue is, it's not affecting everything.

Barb

 


On 2018-08-21 10:25 AM, Ellen Moody wrote:

Dear People, 
 
I just read that Groups.io is down for maintenance. We were informed it will be back by 11 pm pacific time and 4 am UTC (? -- I don't know what that is). 
 
So, 1) When will groups.io be back EST or daylight savings time?
 
2) Is it better to wait until the site is back up again before posting again? or does it not matter if one posts now and then the messages come through when the site is back up?
 
I hope this goes through
 
Ellen Moody
moderated Groups.io is down ...

Ellen Moody
 

Dear People, 

I just read that Groups.io is down for maintenance. We were informed it will be back by 11 pm pacific time and 4 am UTC (? -- I don't know what that is). 

So, 1) When will groups.io be back EST or daylight savings time?

2) Is it better to wait until the site is back up again before posting again? or does it not matter if one posts now and then the messages come through when the site is back up?

I hope this goes through

Ellen Moody
moderated Re: Virus scanning

Michael Capelle <mike.capelle@...>
 

I agree with this Mark.
 
 

Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:24 PM
Subject: [beta] Virus scanning
 
Hi All,
 
I've been testing virus/phishing scanning the last few weeks and I'm pretty confident that it's catching what it should. In testing, it's scanning all emails, all uploaded files and photos. And right now, if the sender is not a subscriber, it drops any emails it finds has a virus or phishing attack.
 
My default implementation would be to turn it on so that it blocks all emails, files and photos that it finds has a virus or phishing attempt. Do you see any reason to not do it this way?
 
The scanner I'm using is here: http://www.clamav.net/
 
 
Thanks,
Mark
moderated Re: Virus scanning

Dave Sergeant
 

I have mixed feelings on this. Will it be possible to disable the virus
scanning on individual groups. Yahoogroups had virus scanning (probably
a far inferior system to what you are proposing) and we always disabled
it. Apart from the odd occasion when members had their Yahoo emails
hacked we never had any issues with viruses getting through. But my
groups are private groups with membership needing to be approved. Maybe
different for public groups.

Likewise with my email, I have disabled the server side filtering and
do it all myself with Mailwasher.

Dave

On 20 Aug 2018 at 20:24, Mark Fletcher wrote:

My default implementation would be to turn it on so that it blocks all
emails, files and photos that it finds has a virus or phishing attempt.
Do you see any reason to not do it this way?

http://davesergeant.com
moderated Re: Virus scanning

Nick Dunmur
 

On 21 Aug 2018, at 07:03, Lena <Lena@...> wrote:

If the sender is a subscriber then please moderate the message instead of dropping it. False positives are possible.

That seems sensible to me.

best

Nick
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dUNMUR | member of the AOP

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moderated Re: Virus scanning

Chris V
 

Mark

the only question I have is will group owners know what emails are rejected?

Otherwise sounds good to me

Chris

On 21/08/2018 04:24, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,

I've been testing virus/phishing scanning the last few weeks and I'm pretty confident that it's catching what it should. In testing, it's scanning all emails, all uploaded files and photos. And right now, if the sender is not a subscriber, it drops any emails it finds has a virus or phishing attack.

My default implementation would be to turn it on so that it blocks all emails, files and photos that it finds has a virus or phishing attempt. Do you see any reason to not do it this way?

The scanner I'm using is here: http://www.clamav.net/


Thanks,
Mark
moderated Re: Virus scanning

Lena
 

Hi Mark,

if the sender is not
a subscriber, it drops any emails it finds has a virus or phishing attack.
If the sender is a subscriber then please moderate the message instead of dropping it. False positives are possible.

--
Lena
moderated Virus scanning

Mark Fletcher
 

Hi All,

I've been testing virus/phishing scanning the last few weeks and I'm pretty confident that it's catching what it should. In testing, it's scanning all emails, all uploaded files and photos. And right now, if the sender is not a subscriber, it drops any emails it finds has a virus or phishing attack. 

My default implementation would be to turn it on so that it blocks all emails, files and photos that it finds has a virus or phishing attempt. Do you see any reason to not do it this way?

The scanner I'm using is here: http://www.clamav.net/


Thanks,
Mark
moderated Re: override user posts

Steve
 

I was looking for command in this group and not finding it.  But there it is in groups I moderate.

Thanks Shal. Next time I have a problem I go the moderators group, which I didn't know about before.

Steve L
moderated Log direct-add message just as invite message is logged #suggestion

J_Catlady
 

Invites are logged as "invited xyz with message pqr." Yet direct-adds are just logged as "invited xyz," without logging the message sent.
It would be helpful to log the message in that case as well.
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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