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moderated Re: #owner

Toby Kraft
 

Peter,
My 1st comment is - I don't see how this post is "a suggestion for a new feature or improvement to the service" which is what the beta forum is for. 
If you are seeking comment directly from groups.io, best to email support.  If you are seeking advice from other group owners, better to discuss in GMF, IMHO.
This issue was discussed at length here.
My take is - hosting your group on groups.io does not directly encourage or support indivisible in any way.  Your group's content is totally under your control within the terms of the TOS and your group will not see anything related to this other organization unless you post it.
If your group is already associated with indivisible, then you can obtain free upgrade offered by the owner of groups.io, Mark Fletcher.   That's it.  
Toby


moderated #owner

Peter Simpson
 

Hi,

We need to migrate from Yahoo Groups and were just at the point of pushing the "Transfer" button (having paid for a subscription), when several of my colleagues noticed this on the Groups.io Purchase page:



I've copied some of their observations below, please can you let me know whether you understand their concerns and what can be done to allay them?

If I were to turn this into a request it would be that "Groups.io does not exploit its commercial platform to further a political agenda and that it would make a public policy statement to this effect".

Regards, Peter

Expressed concerns about support for indivisible

"The last thing we need is another partisan social media company. I’m not sure if this is a show stopper but it is a bit of a ‘red flag’ for me. We should have our eyes open about what we are going into here."

"I don’t know what indivisible is. If it’s a radical political or religious organization I’m going to be uneasy as well"

"Our group is non-political and I would hate for our members to become involved in or associated with any political cause simply by belonging to ASCOMTalk."

"If review of the TOS is unrevealing then I think that we need to get a formal response from Groups.io administration that members of our group will not be subjected to political messages from them or anyone else. Also that our members' contact information will not be harvested and sold, given away, shared, or used by them for any purpose whatsoever beyond the administration of their site. This includes making members' contact info available to other groups on the site."


moderated Re: Suggestion: Default date for Date field in database table should be allowed to be empty or different that current date #suggestion

Linda Prain
 

Same situation here.  We're trying to collect travel information for an upcoming event.  Having the date default to today doesn't work.  Yes, I can change to a future date, but then as soon as I edit the line, it reverts back to today's date.  Perhaps a check box set by the table owner to either (a) default to today or (b) allow manual selection that does not revert to "today".  


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 02:19 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
That is, if you had checked the Only Moderators Can Create New Hashtags, then your new setting should be messages with new tags are bounced.
Okay thanks, that makes sense. I guess I just haven't had anybody do that before. It's obvious from my inquiry that I prefer the new "strip hashtag" approach and appreciate you making this new option available to us.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 12:23 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
NEW: Replaced the 'Only Moderators Can Create Hashtags' checkbox with a dropdown, allowing messages with new hashtags to be either bounced, or the new hashtags to be removed.
Mark -- When I checked this new setting in my group, I was surprised to find that the default is to bounce the messages. This strikes me as a little harsh. What was the previous behavior?


That was the previous behavior if you had checked the box. Unless I screwed something up with the change, the behavior for your group should be no different today than yesterday. That is, if you had checked the Only Moderators Can Create New Hashtags, then your new setting should be messages with new tags are bounced.

Mark 


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 04:14 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I suggest the default should be to strip rather than bounce. I don't know where his leaves those groups that require hashtags, though.
I agree with both sentences. I checked the group I moderate and changed the setting PDQ as soon as I read the changelog this morning.

I would be interested to know the rationale for this change, because whatever setting is now chosen it is still only Moderators who can create hashtags (as previously) and members cannot try to create them willy - nilly; whatever the setting they don't get away with it.

Chris


moderated Re: Topics Splitting that shouldn't split

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please send a message to support with a pointer to an example of where this happened.
Mark,

           I will do this the next time it occurs.   It seems to have settled down for me over the last several days.  I am also a moderator on that group and when it happens I immediately merge the threads.   But I know also when it occurs that I have not, even for a single second, been in the Subject line and have used the Reply button to generate the post I'm making.  That's what's peculiar.

           And, to refresh my memory, I should just e-mail support@groups.io?
 
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     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 12:23 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
NEW: Replaced the 'Only Moderators Can Create Hashtags' checkbox with a dropdown, allowing messages with new hashtags to be either bounced, or the new hashtags to be removed.
Mark -- When I checked this new setting in my group, I was surprised to find that the default is to bounce the messages. This strikes me as a little harsh. What was the previous behavior?

I suggest the default should be to strip rather than bounce. I don't know where his leaves those groups that require hashtags, though.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Email blocks

 

Ok, thanks.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:18 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Is everything back to normal with hotmail now? I have a pending member using hotmail who is still NC after a day and a half and has not responded to the pending notice, either. This is really unusual, because they at least usually confirm, and it makes me wonder whether they got either message. 

Yes, Hotmail is back to normal. We have no hotmail.com messages in the queue at the moment.

Mark 



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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Email blocks

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:18 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Is everything back to normal with hotmail now? I have a pending member using hotmail who is still NC after a day and a half and has not responded to the pending notice, either. This is really unusual, because they at least usually confirm, and it makes me wonder whether they got either message. 

Yes, Hotmail is back to normal. We have no hotmail.com messages in the queue at the moment.

Mark 


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: Replaced the 'Only Moderators Can Create Hashtags' checkbox with a dropdown, allowing messages with new hashtags to be either bounced, or the new hashtags to be removed.
  • API: Changed group field: restrict_create_hash_tags is now hash_tag_permissions.
  • SYSADMIN: Fixed log rotation issues on the DNS servers.
  • NEW: When exporting group data, you can now export hashtag data.
  • SYSADMIN: Now serving the cookie consent js/css code locally instead of from a CDN, because that was timing out.
  • OTHER: Sent out the GDPR Privacy Policy update email. Dealt with a bunch of angry responses.
  • INTERNAL: Deleted all user accounts not subscribed to any groups (or only subscribed to updates@) that were at least one month old.
  • BUGFIX: Fix internal crash when a non-moderator of a subgroup rejects via email a pending message.
  • BUGFIX: The FBL processing code was ignoring reports from some domains.
  • CHANGE: Better behavior when uploading multiple files and one of them is a duplicate of an existing file. Previously we would disgard all files in the upload. Now we keep all of them up to the point of the duplicate.
  • BUGFIX: If a file was renamed with either / or \ in the name, the file would be unlinked and unreachable. Fixed the bug and re-linked the affected files.
  • INTERNAL: Made exportuser and exportgroup more reliable when dealing with large amounts of data.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Email blocks

 

Is everything back to normal with hotmail now? I have a pending member using hotmail who is still NC after a day and a half and has not responded to the pending notice, either. This is really unusual, because they at least usually confirm, and it makes me wonder whether they got either message. 
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Topics Splitting that shouldn't split

 

Hi,

Please CC me as I’m interested in what’s up, as I’m the owner of the said forum.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:28 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Topics Splitting that shouldn't split

 

Hi Brian,

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I have noticed recently, particularly on one group I'm on [Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users], that when I reply via the web interface the result is a new topic.

I am 100% certain that I have not touched the subject line in any way, which I know can cause an unintended split.    Has anyone else been experiencing this, even if intermittently, anywhere else?

Please send a message to support with a pointer to an example of where this happened.

 

Thanks,

Mark 


moderated Re: Topics Splitting that shouldn't split

 

Hi Brian,

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
I have noticed recently, particularly on one group I'm on [Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users], that when I reply via the web interface the result is a new topic.

I am 100% certain that I have not touched the subject line in any way, which I know can cause an unintended split.    Has anyone else been experiencing this, even if intermittently, anywhere else?

Please send a message to support with a pointer to an example of where this happened.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Moderator Permissions: Modify Group Description improvements

Michael Pavan
 

I would like to give Moderators permission to change the only items that may require regular updates ("group description" and "message footer”)
Admin: Settings: General: Description
Admin: Settings: Message Formatting: Message Footer

Moderator Permissions: Modify Group Settings
gives a Moderator many different kinds of permissions including “Delete Group”!

I suggest:
Moderator Permissions: Modify Group Description
and
Moderator Permissions: Modify Message Footer

or perhaps better yet, check boxes in
Moderator Permissions: Modify Group Settings
to control which permissions are given to each Moderator


moderated Re: Topics Splitting that shouldn't split

Duane
 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
the best and most immediate way to do that is posting to this group.
Actually, if you suspect a bug, it would be faster to send it to support.

I haven't seen what you mention.

Duane


moderated Re: Topics Splitting that shouldn't split

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Should this not be on GMF rather than beta?
Not if it's secondary to a forums software error of some sort, and I strongly suspect it may be.  I wanted to bring it to Mark's attention, and the best and most immediate way to do that is posting to this group.
 
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     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: Topics Splitting that shouldn't split

Chris Jones
 

Should this not be on GMF rather than beta?

Chris


moderated Topics Splitting that shouldn't split

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I have noticed recently, particularly on one group I'm on [Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users], that when I reply via the web interface the result is a new topic.

I am 100% certain that I have not touched the subject line in any way, which I know can cause an unintended split.    Has anyone else been experiencing this, even if intermittently, anywhere else?

Any theories on what would cause it?

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: #photos - name list confessing when assigning owner to photos

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 09:50 PM, Tom Vail wrote:
When you edit a photo/album and try to reassign a new owner the list that comes up seems to be in Joined date sequence, not alphabetical.
FWIW anyone selecting Move (to relocate a specific photo to a different album) runs into the same problem; the list of albums presented to select a destination is ordered by creation date, rather than alphabetically.

In a way I understand it, but it still seems a bit odd when selecting Directory presents members in alphanumeric order of Display Name and selecting Photos presents albums in alphanumeric order of Album Name.

As an aside. editing an album name will change its position when Photos are displayed if the initial letters are altered, but the drop down list presented when moving a photo remains unchanged because editing an album name does not change its creation date.

Chris

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