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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Patty Sliney
 

Chris, this request is already on the wish list.  It is a feature we've had for as long as I can remember on Yahoo Groups.  If Mark can add a "mandatory" option, then, folks can either require a comment, or not.  For my groups back on Yahoo Groups, our group description stated that a membership request must have a comment included that relates to the purpose  function of our group.  If someone tried to submit a "filler" comment, like "hi", their request was rejected.  Worked fine for years on Yahoo Groups, don't see why this would have a "real problem".  In fact, Mark can even make a comments section visible or hidden for list mods/owners if he wished.


moderated Re: Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

 

Michael,

Would this work if the event was initially scheduled when the “Last”
was also the “Fourth”, rather than the “Fifth"?
No, then you get the fourth. To be shown my proposed option you'd need to start by creating the event on a fifth/last date.

I hadn't thought of it, but the idea could easily be extended to incorporate the fourth, simply by showing an option to select between fourth and last if the date happens to be a fourth. That way you're covered.

It just seems like the existing algorithm was designed for 28 day
months, ... doesn’t it make more sense to just to start with a 31 day
month in mind?
I don't know that there's a mindset issue involved. One benefit of the current scheme is that you can't create a logical problem by defining a repeat that doesn't include the start date (the date on which you created the event).

I'm not sure what the proper interaction is between choosing "fifth" and also a "Repeat Every" greater than one. The current behavior seems to be an intersection of the two (every nth month, unless there isn't a fifth that month). That's probably a sane choice.

Shal


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Victoria <dr.vcaesar@...> wrote:

 

concerning updates in privacy policy and compliance with GDPR, shouldn´t the date of last revision be July or August 2018 instead of still carrying the date of Sept. 15th, 2014?

 

https://groups.io/static/privacy

 


The new privacy policy, which you can see at https://groups.io/static/newprivacy doesn't go into effect until Monday (probably), so I haven't switched over the old policy yet. (It goes into effect when I send out emails to every existing user, which will probably start on Monday).

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Sorry, I'm strongly against any changes too allow this.  
It's not a system problem but a personal problem in planning and management.
It's akin  to a programmer rewriting a commonly needed piece of code with at least one thing different a bunch of times instead of a closed subroutine.
How  tedious and unnecessary it must be to have to  constantly log out and in to manage different groups.
Seems to me that someone who puts themselves in this position should immediately correct it by inviting/direct installing a common owner email address into all of the groups they own.

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Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

Michael Pavan
 

On Aug 4, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

Michael,

4th, 5th, and Last are different, and should not be mixed up.
Indeed.

And in the very next paragraph I proposed a simple way to do that.
You suggested:

| So the other option is to, in that case, reveal a control (radio buttons) to select between "fifth" and "last", probably just below the control that selects between "day of the week" and "day of the month”

Would this work if the event was initially scheduled when the “Last” was also the “Fourth”, rather than the “Fifth"?

It just seems like the existing algorithm was designed for 28 day months, rather than try to correct its possible/probable mistakes, doesn’t it make more sense to just to start with a 31 day month in mind?


moderated Re: Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

Dave Wade
 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shal
Farley
Sent: 04 August 2018 19:27
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

Michael,

> 4th, 5th, and Last are different, and should not be mixed up.

Indeed.

And in the very next paragraph I proposed a simple way to do that.

Shal
Shal,
If I read the proposal correctly you need to find a month that has a fifth day of the one you wish to use. So for example if I want the last Tuesday, then I would need to start the event in October, other Tuesdays would come out as fourth.....
Dave




moderated Re: Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

 

Michael,

4th, 5th, and Last are different, and should not be mixed up.
Indeed.

And in the very next paragraph I proposed a simple way to do that.

Shal


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Chris Jones
 

Patti; I can see a real problem with your request but this is not the place to elaborate. I will put up a topic on GMF - please have a look once it has been moderated.

Chris


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Patty Sliney
 

Thanks, Mark.  Any chance adding a "Comment" field in the application for membership screen, and having the option as a list owner/mod, to make that field mandatory?  We've got this request on our Wish List, just hoping we can have that added in.  We've tried the work around, which is moderating all our list membership, then sending an email message to the prospective member, asking them to tell us why they wish to join our group, but we are getting less than a 10% response.  So, not really an option.  This is a very helpful screening tool, to keep ne'er do wells off our list.  Thanks for all you do!


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

 

Oops. Toby Jim on prior message.


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

 

Toby,

What I wouldn't like is for Groups.io to reveal the Owner's personal
email address to someone sending email to GROUP+owner.
I don't see any danger of that.

Well, maybe one - if an owner chooses to reply to such a message they might want to trim that footer if they're replying under a different address (say, spoofing the +owner address).

A slight catch to this approach is that the Owner/Recipient who has
forgotten which email address he used when creating his group has to
check mail at all the addresses he owns until he finds this email.
True, but I don't see a way around it.

I find it odd that a person can create a new group and then lose track of it. But this isn't the venue for puzzling that one out. Hopefully I'll learn something in GMF that sparks a suggestion for this group.

Shal


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Shal Farley at 8/4/2018 06:06 PM UTC:

Toby,

Or add a footer to the message showing the address it
was sent to like is now done for regular posts.
I like that choice.

So do I.

What I wouldn't like is for Groups.io to reveal the Owner's personal email address to someone sending email to GROUP+owner.

A slight catch to this approach is that the Owner/Recipient who has forgotten which email address he used when creating his group has to check mail at all the addresses he owns until he finds this email.

Jim H


moderated Re: "mark as unread" function #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 06:25 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
If you clear your browser history that will reset all messages to unread. Depending on your browser, it may be possible to remove just the one message's URL from your browser history and thereby revert its color.
Having had a quick look it would seem that Firefox won't allow individual items to be cleared.

However, having thought about this a bit more, there is no obvious reason to suppose that it is only Owners & Moderators that might find a "Follow - up" capability useful; individual members might find it helpful as well. So... I will withdraw my earlier suggestion of incorporating it into the facilities currently on trial on the -test page and suggest that consideration be given to adding it to the "More" tab on each individual message, with the "Follow - up Flag" being an additional tab on the left hand side in much the same way as Drafts do.

Chris


moderated Re: #owner email addressing #suggestion

 

Toby,

Or add a footer to the message showing the address it
was sent to like is now done for regular posts.
I like that choice.

Note: the approval email *is* addressed to the owner, perhaps it
should have a footer also that says "Login to <email address> to
administer your new group." or some such...
... or some such. Said that tersely the user might think it means to log in to their email service.

The wording needs to be clear that the user needs to log in to Groups.io, putting that email address in the Email Address box on the Login page.

Shal


moderated #owner email addressing #suggestion

Toby Kraft
 

From time to time in GMF, we get questions from people that create groups and can't find them, sometimes because they don't recall the email address they were logged into when the group was created.
So I thought one way to figure out what email address "owns" the group would be to search for it and send an email to the group owner address.  I expected that email to be sent To: the actual owner email address(es).  But alas, the message is addressed To: group+owner@groups.io with no easy way to view the destination address it was sent to (it's in the headers).
Seems like it would be useful to address the owner email To: the actual owner email address(es) and put a tag like [group+owner@groups.io] in the subject line.  Or add a footer to the message showing the address it was sent to like is now done for regular posts.
That way a "lost" owner can search for their group and send an owner email and when he/she gets it can see "Oh, I need to be logged in with that email address to administer this group!" ;)
Thanks,
Toby
Note: the approval email is addressed to the owner, perhaps it should have a footer also that says "Login to <email address> to administer your new group." or some such...


moderated Re: "mark as unread" function #suggestion

 

Oh, yeah, Shal, I totally forgot. 
Well, it SHOULD! :-)

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
J,

> It would be convenient to be able to mark messages as "unread" (i.e.,
> make them turn back to blue).

Groups.io does not (as yet) track which messages you've read. Your browser is doing that. Your browser history is a collection of the links you've visited - those are rendered in a different color than those you haven't.

If you clear your browser history that will reset all messages to unread. Depending on your browser, it may be possible to remove just the one message's URL from your browser history and thereby revert its color.

Shal





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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "mark as unread" function #suggestion

 

J,

It would be convenient to be able to mark messages as "unread" (i.e.,
make them turn back to blue).
Groups.io does not (as yet) track which messages you've read. Your browser is doing that. Your browser history is a collection of the links you've visited - those are rendered in a different color than those you haven't.

If you clear your browser history that will reset all messages to unread. Depending on your browser, it may be possible to remove just the one message's URL from your browser history and thereby revert its color.

Shal


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

 

Mark,

 

concerning updates in privacy policy and compliance with GDPR, shouldn´t the date of last revision be July or August 2018 instead of still carrying the date of Sept. 15th, 2014?

 

https://groups.io/static/privacy

 

Victoria


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • CHANGE: Only rate limit messages to members from other members, not mods/owners.
  • NEW: Display Owner/Mod badges on group sidebar.
  • NEW: Added domain/subdomain setup information to the help page.
  • SYSADMIN: Migrated one of the DNS servers to a new machine.
  • CHANGE: Updated and added sections about our data processing agreement and other aspects of GDPR.
  • API: New group field: subgroup_category_id.
  • NEW: Subgroup categories.
  • NEW: Removed scrolling and reformatted subgroup list page.

I had not been including updates to the API in the #changelog reports. I will start doing so now.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: "mark as unread" function #suggestion

 

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 07:33 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
It might need something more positive than simply "reverting to blue" as a warning flag, though.

I haven't been following the test version of the topics page and I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I think that a new "mark unread" feature should result in nothing different than the current indicator for "unread," namely, making the message appear blue in the list. There should probably also be a "mark read" function that does the opposite.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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