Michael,

4th, 5th, and Last are different, and should not be mixed up.

Indeed.

And in the very next paragraph I proposed a simple way to do that.

Shal

Patti; I can see a real problem with your request but this is not the place to elaborate. I will put up a topic on GMF - please have a look once it has been moderated.

Chris

Thanks, Mark.  Any chance adding a "Comment" field in the application for membership screen, and having the option as a list owner/mod, to make that field mandatory?  We've got this request on our Wish List, just hoping we can have that added in.  We've tried the work around, which is moderating all our list membership, then sending an email message to the prospective member, asking them to tell us why they wish to join our group, but we are getting less than a 10% response.  So, not really an option.  This is a very helpful screening tool, to keep ne'er do wells off our list.  Thanks for all you do!

Oops. Toby Jim on prior message.

Toby,

What I wouldn't like is for Groups.io to reveal the Owner's personal
email address to someone sending email to GROUP+owner.

I don't see any danger of that.

Well, maybe one - if an owner chooses to reply to such a message they might want to trim that footer if they're replying under a different address (say, spoofing the +owner address).

A slight catch to this approach is that the Owner/Recipient who has
forgotten which email address he used when creating his group has to
check mail at all the addresses he owns until he finds this email.

True, but I don't see a way around it.

I find it odd that a person can create a new group and then lose track of it. But this isn't the venue for puzzling that one out. Hopefully I'll learn something in GMF that sparks a suggestion for this group.

Shal

Received from Shal Farley at 8/4/2018 06:06 PM UTC:

Toby,

Or add a footer to the message showing the address it
was sent to like is now done for regular posts.

I like that choice.

So do I.

What I wouldn't like is for Groups.io to reveal the Owner's personal email address to someone sending email to GROUP+owner.

A slight catch to this approach is that the Owner/Recipient who has forgotten which email address he used when creating his group has to check mail at all the addresses he owns until he finds this email.

Jim H

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 06:25 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

If you clear your browser history that will reset all messages to unread. Depending on your browser, it may be possible to remove just the one message's URL from your browser history and thereby revert its color.

Having had a quick look it would seem that Firefox won't allow individual items to be cleared.

However, having thought about this a bit more, there is no obvious reason to suppose that it is only Owners & Moderators that might find a "Follow - up" capability useful; individual members might find it helpful as well. So... I will withdraw my earlier suggestion of incorporating it into the facilities currently on trial on the -test page and suggest that consideration be given to adding it to the "More" tab on each individual message, with the "Follow - up Flag" being an additional tab on the left hand side in much the same way as Drafts do.

Chris

Toby,

Or add a footer to the message showing the address it
was sent to like is now done for regular posts.

I like that choice.

Note: the approval email *is* addressed to the owner, perhaps it
should have a footer also that says "Login to <email address> to
administer your new group." or some such...

... or some such. Said that tersely the user might think it means to log in to their email service.

The wording needs to be clear that the user needs to log in to Groups.io, putting that email address in the Email Address box on the Login page.

Shal

From time to time in GMF, we get questions from people that create groups and can't find them, sometimes because they don't recall the email address they were logged into when the group was created.
So I thought one way to figure out what email address "owns" the group would be to search for it and send an email to the group owner address.  I expected that email to be sent To: the actual owner email address(es).  But alas, the message is addressed To: group+owner@groups.io with no easy way to view the destination address it was sent to (it's in the headers).
Seems like it would be useful to address the owner email To: the actual owner email address(es) and put a tag like [group+owner@groups.io] in the subject line.  Or add a footer to the message showing the address it was sent to like is now done for regular posts.
That way a "lost" owner can search for their group and send an owner email and when he/she gets it can see "Oh, I need to be logged in with that email address to administer this group!" ;)
Thanks,
Toby
Note: the approval email is addressed to the owner, perhaps it should have a footer also that says "Login to <email address> to administer your new group." or some such...

--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

J,

It would be convenient to be able to mark messages as "unread" (i.e.,
make them turn back to blue).

Groups.io does not (as yet) track which messages you've read. Your browser is doing that. Your browser history is a collection of the links you've visited - those are rendered in a different color than those you haven't.

If you clear your browser history that will reset all messages to unread. Depending on your browser, it may be possible to remove just the one message's URL from your browser history and thereby revert its color.

Shal

Changes to the site this week:

• CHANGE: Only rate limit messages to members from other members, not mods/owners.
• NEW: Display Owner/Mod badges on group sidebar.
• NEW: Added domain/subdomain setup information to the help page.
• SYSADMIN: Migrated one of the DNS servers to a new machine.
• CHANGE: Updated and added sections about our data processing agreement and other aspects of GDPR.
• API: New group field: subgroup_category_id.
• NEW: Subgroup categories.
• NEW: Removed scrolling and reformatted subgroup list page.

I had not been including updates to the API in the #changelog reports. I will start doing so now.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 07:33 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

It might need something more positive than simply "reverting to blue" as a warning flag, though.

I haven't been following the test version of the topics page and I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I think that a new "mark unread" feature should result in nothing different than the current indicator for "unread," namely, making the message appear blue in the list. There should probably also be a "mark read" function that does the opposite.
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 02:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

I have been resorting to marking them unread in my email.

Mark; could Follow - up be added to the functions currently on offer on the "-test" version of the Topics page? It might need something more positive than simply "reverting to blue" as a warning flag, though.

That would provide the facility that J asks for and might well have wider applications.

Chris.

p.s. As a hack, I have been resorting to marking them unread in my email. But this can be a PITA, because then, after dealing with the message on the site, I have to go back to email AGAIN and mark them "read." I'd rather to be able to deal with their read/unread status on the site.
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

Sometimes I read a message in my group but don't have time to respond to it, but OTOH I don't want to forget that it's still on my todo list. It would be convenient to be able to mark messages as "unread" (i.e., make them turn back to blue).
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

Bob,

That was the problem.  Removed them with the text editor and am good to go.

Thank you.

Peace,
Tomk

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 02:32 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

It should do this already (ie behave like a normal chat window). If it isn't doing that, please send an email to support with the browser you're using.

Hi Mark
I will do this but just to put this into context, it was an issue 5 of us had when trying to have a chat - all using different browsers and on different types of devices. And when I initially posted the issue in the Group Managers Froim, another user replied that his group were having the same issue. That rather suggests it is not an issue specific to one user configuration.
Thanks
Matty

I think  you'll find that Excel is storing the quotation marks around text fields because that is the standard.

Open the file using Notepad on windows machine and you will  see the quotations are in the stored file.

The alternative is that the program that generated the file might have done it.

You usually can control this behavior by doing a File/SaveAs and setting the individual options.

--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation