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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

J,

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 09:28 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

I’ve got many group members writing novels for their signatures., and it’s too hard to police and control them all by hand. I am now begging for a character limit option in the auto sig!

What about being able to specify a template for signatures (and for messages, for that matter)? Perhaps something as simple as some text that is pre-populated in the Signature text area? Would that help?

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Add a convenient method to include a profile link in the signature.

Randy Thomson
 

On the other hand, providing a permalink on each member profile might be the more straightforward and consistent way to provide this capability.
On the directory pages this would amount to little more than showing the permalink symbol next to each member's name.

Shal

If I'm not mistaken, that link is already on the directory page, tied to the user name. The issue is providing it, easily, in an email message.

Randy



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moderated Re: Back from vacation

Leeni
 

Welcome back! We missed you. Ilene  
 
 
 
 

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Date: 7/31/2018 11:45:57 AM
Subject: [beta] Back from vacation
 

Hi All,

I'm back from vacation. In addition to working through all the support emails and beta@ emails and fixing bugs, here's what I'll be working on short-term:

  • FINALLY finishing up the GDPR stuff. Over vacation, my lawyers finally got me the last bits I needed to complete the revised privacy policy. Once that's done, I will be deleting any user account that is not subscribed to any groups or subscribed just to updates@, and then sending out an email to everyone announcing the new privacy policy.
  • Finalizing the new bulk topic editing page and moving it from -test.
  • Completing work on virus scanning all attachments, files and photos.
  • Upgrading the main database machine, which will require some downtime, most likely the night of Friday, August 10th. I will send out a separate announcement soon about this.

Thanks, Mark

 


moderated Back from vacation

 

Hi All,

I'm back from vacation. In addition to working through all the support emails and beta@ emails and fixing bugs, here's what I'll be working on short-term:

  • FINALLY finishing up the GDPR stuff. Over vacation, my lawyers finally got me the last bits I needed to complete the revised privacy policy. Once that's done, I will be deleting any user account that is not subscribed to any groups or subscribed just to updates@, and then sending out an email to everyone announcing the new privacy policy.
  • Finalizing the new bulk topic editing page and moving it from -test.
  • Completing work on virus scanning all attachments, files and photos.
  • Upgrading the main database machine, which will require some downtime, most likely the night of Friday, August 10th. I will send out a separate announcement soon about this.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 7/31/2018 01:16 AM UTC:

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 06:03 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
I wasn't logged in, but one click and 3 seconds and the profile info was on my screen. You don't need to log in if you don't explicitly log out.

I don't get what you mean here. If you mean you were logged into the site already because you had not logged out, then you WERE logged in. Right?

No. My browser wasn't running; I wasn't logged in.


Yes, groups.io keeps you logged in for a month.

Yes and no. You don't remain logged in. A cookie on your computer contains the credentials you need in order for Gio to log you in without the need for you to MANUALLY enter any UserId or Password information.


My point is that many of our group members don't log in at all, ever.

Then - unless that hurdle can be somehow leapt, the idea of putting info in a profile and a link to that profile in messages sent by that person won't work.

It seems to me as an Owner that at some point group members need to do something to help others better help them... whether it's to shorten their signatures to contain only the required basic info... or something else aimed at achieving some sort of more cooperative symbiosis. "When in Rome" and all that...

Jim H


moderated Re: Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events

Dave Wade
 

I have just hit this. One of my groups holds a meeting on the "last" Monday of each month. We used to have this set up in yahoo.


moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

Bottom line, I would like a character-limit option on the auto-sig!

Sure, makes sense and probably isn´t such a big tech deal.

Victoria


moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 01:42 AM, Victoria wrote:
If a signature example is integrated into a recurring cal message,
I don't do recurring calendar messages. :-) The instructions for the signature are included in the monthly guidelines, along with all the other kinds of guidelines that get breached.

Our cats also require changes in meds, but I don't see that it's any harder to update the profile than the sig. But that's moot because of all the other problems with doing this via profiles that have already been pointed out.

Bottom line, I would like a character-limit option on the auto-sig!
 
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moderated Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

J,

 

the type of hormonal disease we are dealing with calls for regular lab testing and medicine dosage adapting which consequently means signature updates. Therefore the interesting idea of integrating signature into their profile probably wouldn´t work with our members since their signatures may require frequent updating.

 

In my groups cases of “novel writing” in signatures are quite limited but they do occur. Our bigger issue is to get members to compose a meaningful signature at all. So we remind in a regular calender message which information is needed. Our members generally comply…

 

If a signature example is integrated into a recurring cal message, could this push your “novel writers” into the right direction?

 

Victoria


moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

Shal,

An interesting thought, but unfortunately correct on all counts. ;)
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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

J,

The problem is that it would not be available to people responding
only via email, ...
It would, if the member made the profile public. But that introduces potential privacy issues depending on what type of information you need to have there.

And it doesn't solve your original length problem, or the update problem Jim mentioned.

Shal


moderated Re: Add a convenient method to include a profile link in the signature.

 

RandyT,

From an implementation standpoint, while it would make the signature
formatting tool bar unique, ...
It needn't. It seems to me that tool could also be useful in composing normal posts. Maybe also event Descriptions.

I don't see an obvious utility for it in Wiki page composition, or member notifications, but then that may just be my lack of vision; there doesn't seem to be a reason to omit it.

On the other hand, providing a permalink on each member profile might be the more straightforward and consistent way to provide this capability. On the directory pages this would amount to little more than showing the permalink symbol next to each member's name.

Shal


moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 06:03 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:

I wasn't logged in, but one click and 3 seconds and the profile info was on my screen. You don't need to log in if you don't explicitly log out.
I don't get what you mean here. If you mean you were logged into the site already because you had not logged out, then you WERE logged in. Right? Yes, groups.io keeps you logged in for a month. My point is that many of our group members don't log in at all, ever.

if a member gets a new cat and updates the profile, old messages will contain a link to the new cat info
That's actually a great point.

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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 7/30/2018 08:08 PM UTC:

That worked fine, but it's because I'm logged in to <http://groups.io>groups.io. It would not display for members who aren't logged in.

I wasn't logged in, but one click and 3 seconds and the profile info was on my screen. You don't need to log in if you don't explicitly log out. Just close the browser when done. Except there's some sort of monthly log in requirement that I didn't pay much attention to last time it was required. Seems like it may have suggested I might have to log in monthly.

One potential drawback to info in profile... if a member gets a new cat and updates the profile, old messages will contain a link to the new cat info because the profile link won't change, potentially making medical advice in those old messages appear to be wrong or incompetent... or even worse, be perceived as correct when the changed profile has probably made it no longer correct.

Jim H


moderated Add a convenient method to include a profile link in the signature.

Randy Thomson
 

For multiple reasons it would be convenient if subscribers could include a link to their profile in their signature (see my link below).
While it is possible to do this now if you are technically inclined, the general user would have no knowledge or skill to accomplish this.
Request that an option be added to insert a profile link in the signature text.
From an implementation standpoint, while it would make the signature formatting tool bar unique, it could be added there as another link insertion, which opens a dialog box with the URL pre-filled with the profile URL of the subscriber.
RandyT
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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 01:43 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
it might be worth specifying what "numerical value" of limit you would need....could you be certain that this limit would be sufficient?
Haven't thought this and it's not really relevant to my request. The idea is it to be an optional group setting, similar to photo size and other size limits, and it would of course be modifiable if necessary.
 
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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

You're making a lot of great points. BTW, at one point I tried to use our "Cats" database for the info and was asking members to include a link to their cat's row in the database in their signatures. It failed miserably, for many reasons...
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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

Randy Thomson
 

Point taken on login. I do everything by email (except for rare moderation of my own small closed group), but I do stay logged in permanently. Others don’t, but could if they needed to access the information.

 

I believe you earlier said you had a template for folks to provide the basic client info up front, followed by a narrative section which can (and often does) ramble, rather than providing succinct information. My suspicion is that you are pushing a rope on that one, and that ramblers will ramble to the limit and stop rather than editing for succinctness, so you won’t get much more information from a limited 200 word description than you would from reading the first 200 words of a longer description. But, that’s just my take on human nature.

 

The advantage of putting it in the profile is that it doesn’t get compounded in replies, as signatures do.

 

But, Mark would need to create an easy way to add the profile link to the signature. Copy/paste from an in-group link is beyond a lot of folks. I’m married to one (who is very smart in non-technical fields), and probably one or two of my group of about 20 could do it with step by step instructions.

 

I can see where a lot of folks might want to include a link to their profile in their signature for general interest, so it’s not particularly an issue of narrow interest. So, I’ll strip this out as a separate Beta group request.

 

RandyT

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:00 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

True, but the person would have to be logged in to access the link, and the people who use exclusively email for the group are usually not logged in. But you're still making a pretty good case. I'll think about it for my group. Would still have to solve the length issue, though. Your idea is more or less separate from that.

 

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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 06:44 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
All we want is name, age, gender, weight, diagnosis, diagnosis method and date, current medical conditions, and all meds with dosages.
I can see the problem that you are up against; while not expressing an opinion either way about the "best way of doing it" it might be worth specifying what "numerical value" of limit you would need. And - although this sounds picky - could you be certain that this limit would be sufficient?

Chris


moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

Anyway, I do like your idea of using the profile for the basic info we require, but access is problem, and it does nothing to solve the length issue.  I don't know if a length limit option on profile text makes sense. But it's another possibility for sure.
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