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moderated Re: Messages without subject lines

 

I don't think that would be possible if you're talking about email messages, and I don't think there's any way besides email messages to send an original message to a group owner. Other messages through groups.io to the group owner already have a subject, since they are responses.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:18 AM, debbie <debbiesther@...> wrote:
When we transferred to groups.io, I thought it was the greatest thing when I realized that the system rejects messages without subject lines. In Yahoogroups, I was always rejecting those messages. Otherwise, how would people learn. It was easier to reject than to edit it myself.

I find that a lot of the messages sent to the owner address here don't have subject lines. Would it be possible to apply that same wonderful feature to the owner address?

Thanks,

Debbie





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moderated Messages without subject lines

debbie
 

When we transferred to groups.io, I thought it was the greatest thing when I realized that the system rejects messages without subject lines. In Yahoogroups, I was always rejecting those messages. Otherwise, how would people learn. It was easier to reject than to edit it myself.

I find that a lot of the messages sent to the owner address here don't have subject lines. Would it be possible to apply that same wonderful feature to the owner address?

Thanks,

Debbie




moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 08:34 AM, Marv Waschke wrote:
Why put this information in an auto signature? What is the advantage over putting it in the body  of the message? I hate to prolong the discussion without adding to it, but you've made me curious.
Many of the best veterinary (and presumably, other medically-oriented) groups put basic info into the signature to avoid having to search through hundreds of messages each time - in our case, cat's age, gender, current weight, current meds with current dosages, diagnosis, and other medical conditions. It could take a half hour or more to find this basic status each time a member posts an update, and sometimes the updates were critical and the info needed to be found quickly, and sometimes the cat owners themselves could not provide it in a timely fashion. We did it out of necessity.
 
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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

tasking our host with options that replace basic management
This feature is not particularly onerous on the system. Mark will of course make the decision. 
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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

Marv Waschke
 

I have no opinion on this, but a question: Why put this information in an auto signature? What is the advantage over putting it in the body  of the message? I hate to prolong the discussion without adding to it, but you've made me curious.
Best, Marv


moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 7/30/2018 01:00 PM UTC:

And as has been stated in my original request and repeated, the request is for an option. If you don't want it, don't use it. Simple. :-)

Equally simple is my objection to tasking our host with options that replace basic management on our part as group owners.

Jim H


moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

And as has been stated in my original request and repeated, the request is for an option. If you don't want it, don't use it. Simple. :-)
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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

I send very occasional reminders and otherwise contact people privately to limit their signature lines. They do.
I don't know what your group is about, but either your are fortunate, or perhaps, unlike mine and Victoria's, which require information such as age, weight, diagnosis, and meds in the signature, your group does not require a certain set of information to be included in the sig. When you ask users for input, it is usually helpful to limit the space they are allocated for the input to prevent them from writing novels.
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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

Sharon Villines
 

I’ve got many group members writing novels for their signatures., and it’s too hard to police and control them all by hand. I am now begging for a character limit option in the auto sig!
I curious why these lists can’t be controlled. I send very occasional reminders and otherwise contact people privately to limit their signature lines. They do.

Sharon
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moderated Re: moderator access to group member email aliases #suggestion

 

And I think you misunderstood. This info is currently not available to owners, unless it’s there and I can’t find it. The email issue applies either way: there’s no member identifying info in the pending message notification, and I am requesting that it be added.

On Jul 29, 2018, at 5:43 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

I’m the group owner. I could change my entire request to read ‘owners or moderators’ with granular permission for moderators if necessary. But I don’t think it’s necessary. An alternate email address is low-level infornation, below the level that mods already have.
On Jul 29, 2018, at 5:01 PM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Received from J_Catlady at 7/29/2018 07:38 PM UTC:

p.s. Of course I later went into the site to find out who it was. But I think that either the alias info should be available to moderators in general, and/or the member info should be available in the emailed pending-message notice.

This seems like a matter that should be handled between you and the group Owner. I don't believe it's appropriate for Groups.io to make changes that bypass the privileges the group Owner has chosen to not give you as a Moderator.

Jim H




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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: moderator access to group member email aliases #suggestion

 

I’m the group owner. I could change my entire request to read ‘owners or moderators’ with granular permission for moderators if necessary. But I don’t think it’s necessary. An alternate email address is low-level infornation, below the level that mods already have.

On Jul 29, 2018, at 5:01 PM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Received from J_Catlady at 7/29/2018 07:38 PM UTC:

p.s. Of course I later went into the site to find out who it was. But I think that either the alias info should be available to moderators in general, and/or the member info should be available in the emailed pending-message notice.

This seems like a matter that should be handled between you and the group Owner. I don't believe it's appropriate for Groups.io to make changes that bypass the privileges the group Owner has chosen to not give you as a Moderator.

Jim H



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moderated Re: moderator access to group member email aliases #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 7/29/2018 07:38 PM UTC:

p.s. Of course I later went into the site to find out who it was. But I think that either the alias info should be available to moderators in general, and/or the member info should be available in the emailed pending-message notice.

This seems like a matter that should be handled between you and the group Owner. I don't believe it's appropriate for Groups.io to make changes that bypass the privileges the group Owner has chosen to not give you as a Moderator.

Jim H


moderated Re: moderator access to group member email aliases #suggestion

 

p.s. Of course I later went into the site to find out who it was. But I think that either the alias info should be available to moderators in general, and/or the member info should be available in the emailed pending-message notice.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:36 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
This morning a new member posted from a completely unknown (to me) email address. I found the pending message in my email. There is no identifying information in the pending notice about who this member is.

This was disconcerting. Based on the content, I had a theory about who it was and went into that person's member page, but it turns out moderators don't have access to members' email aliases. So I couldn't be sure.

Is it possible to either make that information available, OR include the member's display name (and/or regular email address used for the group) in the pending notice?
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated moderator access to group member email aliases #suggestion

 

This morning a new member posted from a completely unknown (to me) email address. I found the pending message in my email. There is no identifying information in the pending notice about who this member is.

This was disconcerting. Based on the content, I had a theory about who it was and went into that person's member page, but it turns out moderators don't have access to members' email aliases. So I couldn't be sure.

Is it possible to either make that information available, OR include the member's display name (and/or regular email address used for the group) in the pending notice?
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

o.k. that´s understood, no novels.

Victoria

 

J. wrote: And by the way, we use it for the same reason your group does. All we want is name, age, gender, weight, diagnosis, diagnosis method and date, current medical conditions, and all meds with dosages. But what we get in some cases are “I took Pookey to the first vet on such-and-such date (two years ago) and he said it was xyz, but the next day he threw up and we took him to the second vet who disagreed, so we tried bla bla and another vet...” and on and on this goes. Some of them are putting the complete medical history in the signature, despite exhortations about what to include and not to include. Then others copy them, and now it’s becoming an epidemic with no systemic or automatic way to stop it.




moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

And by the way, we use it for the same reason your group does. All we want is name, age, gender, weight, diagnosis, diagnosis method and date, current medical conditions, and all meds with dosages. But what we get in some cases are “I took Pookey to the first vet on such-and-such date (two years ago) and he said it was xyz, but the next day he threw up and we took him to the second vet who disagreed, so we tried bla bla and another vet...” and on and on this goes. Some of them are putting the complete medical history in the signature, despite exhortations about what to include and not to include. Then others copy them, and now it’s becoming an epidemic with no systemic or automatic way to stop it.


On Jul 29, 2018, at 10:37 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

See below: “character limit option”


On Jul 29, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Victoria <dr.vcaesar@...> wrote:

               I’ve got many group members writing novels for their signatures., and it’s too hard to police and control them all by hand. I am now begging for a character limit option in the auto sig!


If this could be optional, then o.k. If not I wouldn´t like that so much for in my two veterinary groups many details of the patients concerned are demanded in the signature. This way we save time looking up the history, weight, age, diseases etc.

 

Victoria

 


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

See below: “character limit option”


On Jul 29, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Victoria <dr.vcaesar@...> wrote:

               I’ve got many group members writing novels for their signatures., and it’s too hard to police and control them all by hand. I am now begging for a character limit option in the auto sig!


If this could be optional, then o.k. If not I wouldn´t like that so much for in my two veterinary groups many details of the patients concerned are demanded in the signature. This way we save time looking up the history, weight, age, diseases etc.

 

Victoria

 


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

               I’ve got many group members writing novels for their signatures., and it’s too hard to police and control them all by hand. I am now begging for a character limit option in the auto sig!


If this could be optional, then o.k. If not I wouldn´t like that so much for in my two veterinary groups many details of the patients concerned are demanded in the signature. This way we save time looking up the history, weight, age, diseases etc.

 

Victoria

 


moderated Repeating request for character limit in auto signature

 

I’ve got many group members writing novels for their signatures., and it’s too hard to police and control them all by hand. I am now begging for a character limit option in the auto sig!


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: File Management across groups? #suggestion

Rick Steeves <groups.io@...>
 

There's a unified calendar across all of my groups. I'm thinking something similar for files. Perhaps a tag in the individual groups to note that it's a file managed across groups?

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