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moderated Re: #suggestion - Remove hashtag tab when none exist and restricted #suggestion

Tom Vail
 

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 07:11 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think this would be a lot of work for the system to keep track of. Every time someone created a hashtag in a group, or unchecked the setting "only moderators can create hashtags," the layout would have to change.
This is what computers do, and is the same process as it does today.  It would not be a manual process.

(BTW, the other features (Files, etc.) do not work that way. They appear even under the conditions you're describing.)
Sorry J, but you are mistaken on how it works.  If you disable "databases" the database tab does not appear on the list of tabs for the members, see below.  And I know Wiki works the same way, although I've not tested photos and files.



Peace,

Tom 


moderated Re: #suggestion - Remove hashtag tab when none exist and restricted #suggestion

 

I think this would be a lot of work for the system to keep track of. Every time someone created a hashtag in a group, or unchecked the setting "only moderators can create hashtags," the layout would have to change. (BTW, the other features (Files, etc.) do not work that way. They appear even under the conditions you're describing.)
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J

 

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moderated #suggestion - Remove hashtag tab when none exist and restricted #suggestion

Tom Vail
 

I would like to suggest the Hashtag tab be removed when there are no hashtags and only moderators can create them.  It is the same principle as files, photos, databases, and Wiki.  If they are disabled the tab does not show.

If the group is set by the owner not to allow members to create hashtags, and there are no hashtags to be used, why confuse the issue by having the hashtag tab available?

I assume most groups us hashtags to some degree, but they do not fit our application.  It would be nice to not only clean up the display but eliminate the "What does the hashtag tab do?" questions.

Peace,
Tom


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Mark Irving
 

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 09:54 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I have restored the option to export a database in csv format, in addition to json format.

JSON format exported data include a "row_num" attribute corresponding to the ID shown on screen, but CSV data don't. This seems inconsistent.

JSON data include a lot of "date": "0001-01-01T00:00:00Z" and "time": "0001-01-01T00:00:00Z" attributes of data fields, but all set to those same constant values. These don't seem very useful, and neither format includes the Updated date-time as shown on screen.

Could the two data formats please be made to include the ID and Updated information?

 - Mark


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Linda Standart
 

I just realized that the other group is not a premium one. Interesting
Linda


moderated Re: Time Zone Anomaly

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This has been fixed.
Many thanks!

Chris


moderated Re: New Repost feature

 

Great idea.


On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

I've pushed a new feature available to premium/enterprise groups. If you have one of those groups, in the Group Settings page there's a new Repost Policies section. You can allow members to repost messages. You can define how many times they can repost a message and how long they have to wait before reposting. To repost a message, go into the More menu when viewing the message and look for the Repost Message link. Reposted messages are tagged with the '#repost' hashtag. The feature is turned off by default.

This does not apply to someone who just emails the exact same message to the group more than once. I can extend it for that, but it could be a bit tricky. This feature was requested by a couple of groups who have classifieds subgroups where people end up reposting until something is sold.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.

Thanks,
Mark

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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated New Repost feature

 

Hi All,

I've pushed a new feature available to premium/enterprise groups. If you have one of those groups, in the Group Settings page there's a new Repost Policies section. You can allow members to repost messages. You can define how many times they can repost a message and how long they have to wait before reposting. To repost a message, go into the More menu when viewing the message and look for the Repost Message link. Reposted messages are tagged with the '#repost' hashtag. The feature is turned off by default.

This does not apply to someone who just emails the exact same message to the group more than once. I can extend it for that, but it could be a bit tricky. This feature was requested by a couple of groups who have classifieds subgroups where people end up reposting until something is sold.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Time Zone Anomaly

 

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 08:07 am, Chris Jones wrote:
Any chance you can have a look at this sometime?
In radio parlance... Nothing Heard.

Has this query slipped into a different universe, never mind a different time zone?


This has been fixed.
 
In the future, please submit bug reports to support@groups.io. Beta@ is for discussion of new/proposed features. 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Time Zone Anomaly

Duane
 

It's only been 5 days, 2 of which were the weekend.  ;>)  Yes, I know waiting can seem like it takes forever sometimes, but I'll bet when there is a reply from Mark, it will have been worth waiting for.

Duane


moderated Re: Reply-to change proposal

 

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I don't think the concern that Reply-To could be used to mailbomb someone would arise much in a reply-to-sender-only group, but if it did, it should be easy for a group owner to track down who did it and deal with them appropriately.

​Good point, since the owner/mods will also have received the offending message.

Thanks for the discussion. I just pushed the change so that for Reply To Sender groups, we do not remove any existing Reply-To header. Please let me know if you hear or see any issues with it. 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Reply-to change proposal

 

JohnF

I don't think the concern that Reply-To could be used to mailbomb someone would arise much in a reply-to-sender-only group, but if it did, it should be easy for a group owner to track down who did it and deal with them appropriately.

​Good point, since the owner/mods will also have received the offending message.
​And it brings to mind a pro-active mitigation: force all such messages to be moderated. And of course, make the fact that there's an inbound Reply-To prominently visible in the Pending list and pending message, possibly with the option of allowing the moderator to edit or remove it.

This idea is by analogy to the fact that all non-subscriber posts (if the group allows them) are moderated. Except here the (potentially) non-subscriber address is in the Reply-To field rather than the From field.

But I'll concede that's a bunch of work for a likely to be rarely used feature.

Shal


moderated Re: Time Zone Anomaly

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 08:07 am, Chris Jones wrote:
Any chance you can have a look at this sometime?
In radio parlance... Nothing Heard.

Has this query slipped into a different universe, never mind a different time zone?

Chris


moderated Re: Reply-to change proposal

 

If it's a reply-to-sender-only group, then I think any incoming Reply-To header line should be honored. I don't think the concern that Reply-To could be used to mailbomb someone would arise much in a reply-to-sender-only group, but if it did, it should be easy for a group owner to track down who did it and deal with them appropriately. It's also possible to trick people into mass-emailing someone without using a header line at all.

JohnF


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Linda Standart
 

Thank you, Mark. That was a bit of an unhappy surprise. Fortunately my group is small, so I can generate a file with the information without too much trouble.That will serve for the time being.
Interesting addendum here, I accessed a similar file in another group to which I belong and did not encounter the problem
Linda


moderated Re: Reply-to change proposal

 

Mark,

I can make that happen by not stripping the incoming Reply-To for groups set to Reply To Sender Only (or tagged appropriately). I don't think this will change behavior for anyone, but I'm not 100% certain. So can anyone think of a reason not to do this?

​A concern was raised in GMF that this could lead to members "pranking" other members by misdirecting replies. For example, send something inflammatory or profane or irresistibly attractive then ​set Reply-To someone else. Who then gets mail-bombed by some fraction of the group membership. The victim need not be a member of the group. And in the intended use case, would not be. So the mail-bombing could arrive completely out of the blue.

I feel that those concerns are adequately mitigated if it is an Announcement Group; then only a group moderator could take such underhanded actions. Others disagree. Maybe, like other abuse-able features (Direct Add) it needs to be further tied to a premium group.

Shal


moderated Reply-to change proposal

 

Hi All,

This is going to be a bit technical, apologies...

Right now, we strip any Reply-to header from an incoming message. In most instances, we generate a new, appropriate reply to. But for groups that have the reply to setting set to either Reply To Sender or for messages that are tagged with a tag that is set to Reply To Sender Only, we end up not generating a replacement Reply-to header.

A group owner sets the Reply-To header on messages he sends to his announcement group, and would like those headers preserved. I can make that happen by not stripping the incoming Reply-To for groups set to Reply To Sender Only (or tagged appropriately). I don't think this will change behavior for anyone, but I'm not 100% certain. So can anyone think of a reason not to do this?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

 

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Linda Standart via Groups.Io <standartlinda@...> wrote:
I have encountered a new issue in my group (https://groups.io/g/SecondSaturdayAlteredBookGroup) when I go to the member address and phone book database I get an error.
" Groups.IO says
Geocode was not successful for the following reason:
OVER_QUERY_LIMIT"

Some limit is being hit and I'm not sure what it is. I have a support request into Google and hope to have an answer back in a day or two.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Linda Standart
 

I have encountered a new issue in my group (https://groups.io/g/SecondSaturdayAlteredBookGroup) when I go to the member address and phone book database I get an error.
" Groups.IO says
Geocode was not successful for the following reason:
OVER_QUERY_LIMIT"
It displays a partial map of the general region (South East) with indicators for the location of the addresses in the address book. But nothing on the page works and the information is not in table format

Not sure what this means or why it's happening. But it is new, so I am wondering if it has something to do with the new google Maps table view and table export
Any thoughts?


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Toby Kraft
 

Awesome! thanks.

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