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moderated New Repost feature

 

Hi All,

I've pushed a new feature available to premium/enterprise groups. If you have one of those groups, in the Group Settings page there's a new Repost Policies section. You can allow members to repost messages. You can define how many times they can repost a message and how long they have to wait before reposting. To repost a message, go into the More menu when viewing the message and look for the Repost Message link. Reposted messages are tagged with the '#repost' hashtag. The feature is turned off by default.

This does not apply to someone who just emails the exact same message to the group more than once. I can extend it for that, but it could be a bit tricky. This feature was requested by a couple of groups who have classifieds subgroups where people end up reposting until something is sold.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Time Zone Anomaly

 

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 08:07 am, Chris Jones wrote:
Any chance you can have a look at this sometime?
In radio parlance... Nothing Heard.

Has this query slipped into a different universe, never mind a different time zone?


This has been fixed.
 
In the future, please submit bug reports to support@groups.io. Beta@ is for discussion of new/proposed features. 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Time Zone Anomaly

Duane
 

It's only been 5 days, 2 of which were the weekend.  ;>)  Yes, I know waiting can seem like it takes forever sometimes, but I'll bet when there is a reply from Mark, it will have been worth waiting for.

Duane


moderated Re: Reply-to change proposal

 

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I don't think the concern that Reply-To could be used to mailbomb someone would arise much in a reply-to-sender-only group, but if it did, it should be easy for a group owner to track down who did it and deal with them appropriately.

​Good point, since the owner/mods will also have received the offending message.

Thanks for the discussion. I just pushed the change so that for Reply To Sender groups, we do not remove any existing Reply-To header. Please let me know if you hear or see any issues with it. 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Reply-to change proposal

 

JohnF

I don't think the concern that Reply-To could be used to mailbomb someone would arise much in a reply-to-sender-only group, but if it did, it should be easy for a group owner to track down who did it and deal with them appropriately.

​Good point, since the owner/mods will also have received the offending message.
​And it brings to mind a pro-active mitigation: force all such messages to be moderated. And of course, make the fact that there's an inbound Reply-To prominently visible in the Pending list and pending message, possibly with the option of allowing the moderator to edit or remove it.

This idea is by analogy to the fact that all non-subscriber posts (if the group allows them) are moderated. Except here the (potentially) non-subscriber address is in the Reply-To field rather than the From field.

But I'll concede that's a bunch of work for a likely to be rarely used feature.

Shal


moderated Re: Time Zone Anomaly

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 08:07 am, Chris Jones wrote:
Any chance you can have a look at this sometime?
In radio parlance... Nothing Heard.

Has this query slipped into a different universe, never mind a different time zone?

Chris


moderated Re: Reply-to change proposal

 

If it's a reply-to-sender-only group, then I think any incoming Reply-To header line should be honored. I don't think the concern that Reply-To could be used to mailbomb someone would arise much in a reply-to-sender-only group, but if it did, it should be easy for a group owner to track down who did it and deal with them appropriately. It's also possible to trick people into mass-emailing someone without using a header line at all.

JohnF


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Linda Standart
 

Thank you, Mark. That was a bit of an unhappy surprise. Fortunately my group is small, so I can generate a file with the information without too much trouble.That will serve for the time being.
Interesting addendum here, I accessed a similar file in another group to which I belong and did not encounter the problem
Linda


moderated Re: Reply-to change proposal

 

Mark,

I can make that happen by not stripping the incoming Reply-To for groups set to Reply To Sender Only (or tagged appropriately). I don't think this will change behavior for anyone, but I'm not 100% certain. So can anyone think of a reason not to do this?

​A concern was raised in GMF that this could lead to members "pranking" other members by misdirecting replies. For example, send something inflammatory or profane or irresistibly attractive then ​set Reply-To someone else. Who then gets mail-bombed by some fraction of the group membership. The victim need not be a member of the group. And in the intended use case, would not be. So the mail-bombing could arrive completely out of the blue.

I feel that those concerns are adequately mitigated if it is an Announcement Group; then only a group moderator could take such underhanded actions. Others disagree. Maybe, like other abuse-able features (Direct Add) it needs to be further tied to a premium group.

Shal


moderated Reply-to change proposal

 

Hi All,

This is going to be a bit technical, apologies...

Right now, we strip any Reply-to header from an incoming message. In most instances, we generate a new, appropriate reply to. But for groups that have the reply to setting set to either Reply To Sender or for messages that are tagged with a tag that is set to Reply To Sender Only, we end up not generating a replacement Reply-to header.

A group owner sets the Reply-To header on messages he sends to his announcement group, and would like those headers preserved. I can make that happen by not stripping the incoming Reply-To for groups set to Reply To Sender Only (or tagged appropriately). I don't think this will change behavior for anyone, but I'm not 100% certain. So can anyone think of a reason not to do this?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

 

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Linda Standart via Groups.Io <standartlinda@...> wrote:
I have encountered a new issue in my group (https://groups.io/g/SecondSaturdayAlteredBookGroup) when I go to the member address and phone book database I get an error.
" Groups.IO says
Geocode was not successful for the following reason:
OVER_QUERY_LIMIT"

Some limit is being hit and I'm not sure what it is. I have a support request into Google and hope to have an answer back in a day or two.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Linda Standart
 

I have encountered a new issue in my group (https://groups.io/g/SecondSaturdayAlteredBookGroup) when I go to the member address and phone book database I get an error.
" Groups.IO says
Geocode was not successful for the following reason:
OVER_QUERY_LIMIT"
It displays a partial map of the general region (South East) with indicators for the location of the addresses in the address book. But nothing on the page works and the information is not in table format

Not sure what this means or why it's happening. But it is new, so I am wondering if it has something to do with the new google Maps table view and table export
Any thoughts?


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Toby Kraft
 

Awesome! thanks.


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

 

Hi All,

I have restored the option to export a database in csv format, in addition to json format. Also, the exports automatically download now.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Bob Bellizzi
 

I have to agree, removing csv format is not a great idea

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moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Toby Kraft
 

Mark,
I agree with Nina!  Adding Json is fine for the few geeks among us but don't take away the CSV export! 
Also, please review the many requests for generating a download file in either CSV or XLSX format to make easy to grab and use the data.  Xls would be nice as that would include the data type for the columns.
Thanks!
Toby


moderated Re: New Google Maps table view and table export

Nina Eppes
 

>> Also, I've changed how tables are exported and imported. Now, Export Table returns a JSON object containing all the table information.

One of my subgroups has a database of chorus members that lists their names, voice parts, addresses (with separate fields for street, city, ZIP - thankfully not affected by the new maps view, which I would not want to use in this case), and so on. I sometimes need to export that database to a spreadsheet, so exporting to CSV format is useful. I have no idea what to do with a JSON object (I don't even know what it is :-) ). Is it possible to put JSON content in a spreadsheet? If so, how? If not, can the export database function provide options for CSV or JSON output?

- Nina


moderated Re: Group Notes feature #suggestion

 

Sure, there are lots of kluges, one of which I’m using. The wiki kluge is really no good until we get individually-specified access to wiki pages (as I have also suggested here at some point).

On Jul 10, 2018, at 7:57 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

J,

A dedicated space for "group notes" or "moderator notes" would be very
convenient.
Agreed.

It isn't always a good fit, but one can create a Database table which is Moderator-eyes only. I'd like to be able to do the same with a Wiki page for more free-form information.

But having it be present somewhere a moderator would expect to look for it, as I think you're proposing, would make it even more useful.

Shal


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J

 

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moderated Re: Group Notes feature #suggestion

 

J,

A dedicated space for "group notes" or "moderator notes" would be very
convenient.
Agreed.

It isn't always a good fit, but one can create a Database table which is Moderator-eyes only. I'd like to be able to do the same with a Wiki page for more free-form information.

But having it be present somewhere a moderator would expect to look for it, as I think you're proposing, would make it even more useful.

Shal


moderated Group Notes feature #suggestion

 

I have a vague memory that this suggestion came up in the past: Currently, I am keeping a sort of to-do list for group issues (files to create, members to communicate with, etc.) under my own membership notes. But this kind of thing really doesn't belong there. A dedicated space for "group notes" or "moderator notes" would be very convenient.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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